[Lnc-business] MOTION - Re: Truth in advertising on building fund (letter to donors)

Sat Jun 22 08:24:55 EDT 2013

Starchild - I believe I am the Chair, and you are not, and I have given the
same kind of notice to others, although not necessarily on this list.

I suggest you take the effort to cut & paste the motion only portion, and
argue for it separately, unless you want to take the ten day effort to
challenge my ruling via another mail ballot.

Geoffrey Neale

-----Original Message-----
From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of
Starchild
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 7:16 AM
To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] MOTION - Re: Truth in advertising on building
fund (letter to donors)

Geoff,

	I believe "electronic mail ballots" refers to just the official
email sent out by the secretary that gives notice a vote is underway, since
until a motion is sponsored by enough LNC members to be voted on, it is not
a "ballot".

Love & Liberty,
                                 ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative,
Libertarian National Committee

On Jun 22, 2013, at 5:03 AM, Geoffrey Neale wrote:

> Starchild:
> 
> Under my authority as Chair, I am ruling that your "motion" is out of
order.
> 
> LP Policy Manual states: "Electronic mail ballots shall not include an 
> accompanying argument for or against passage of the motion."
> 
> Geoffrey Neale
> Chair
> Libertarian National Committee
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf 
> Of Starchild
> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 5:50 AM
> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> Subject: [Lnc-business] MOTION - Re: Truth in advertising on building 
> fund (letter to donors)
> 
> (NOTE: The automated email didn't accept this message the first time I 
> tried sending it, so rather than let it sit in an electronic cue I 
> cancelled the posting and have recopied it here. - Starchild)
> 
> *     *     *
> 
> From: Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
> Date: June 22, 2013 3:31:00 AM PDT
> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> Cc: LPSF Discussion List <lpsf-discuss at yahoogroups.com>, Grassroots 
> Libertarians Caucus <GrassrootsLibertarians at yahoogroups.com>, LP 
> Radical Caucus <lpradicals at yahoogroups.com>, calibs 
> <CALibs at yahoogroups.com>, San Diego LP Chat List 
> <sdlibchat at listserv.sdlp.org>, Jill Pyeatt <stone at altrionet.com>, 
> Krzysztof Lesiak <clesiak522 at gmail.com>, Libertarians for 9/11 Truth 
> <Libertariansfor911Truth at yahoogroups.com>, "Outright 
> Libertarian-Natl." <OutrightLibertarians at yahoogroups.com>, 
> Libertarians For Animal Rights 
> <libertarians_for_animal_rights at yahoogroups.com>,
> lpusmisc at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [CALibs] MOTION - Re: Truth in advertising on building fund 
> (letter to donors)
> Reply-To: CALibs at yahoogroups.com
> 
> 	As I noted in a June 19 message to the Libertarian National 
> Committee's LNC-discuss list,
> 
>> . We promised donors to the project [to purchase a new LP national
> headquarters building] that their money would be spent to buy a 
> *building*, which would be named the "David F. Nolan Memorial 
> Building" -- not just office space in a building. I've seen nothing in 
> this proposal to indicate that we would even have naming rights to the 
> building as a whole...  we need to act with integrity and fulfill the 
> promises we make to people when we ask them to give us their money. 
> People are already calling this a "bait-and-switch", and they have a 
> valid point. If we go forward with this, it will undermine the confidence
of donors and supporters in the party.
> 
> 	Having seen no messages disagreeing with that assessment, I hope all

> of you will join me in supporting the following motion:
> 
> MOTION:
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ~~~~~~ Whereas it is important that the Libertarian Party act with 
> integrity and fulfill any promises made in fundraising appeals to 
> donors concerning how their donations will be spent, and
> 
> Whereas donors have a right to expect this of the Libertarian Party 
> when making donations to the party, and
> 
> Whereas LP secretary David Blau as head of the building fund has 
> acknowledged the "mistake" of having been "a bit lax informing the 
> donors that we were investigating an office condo, rather than a full 
> building", and
> 
> Whereas fundraising appeals for the project to purchase a new LP 
> headquarters building repeatedly referred to purchasing a building, 
> rather than only purchasing space in a building, examples of which 
> language can be seen in the fundraising letter published at 
> http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2013/04/libertarian-party-pu
> t-your -name-on-the-david-nolan-memorial-building/;
> 
> Therefore if the Libertarian Party purchases the office space at 1101 
> King Street #160, in Alexandria, Virginia, which the Executive 
> Committee voted to authorize the Building Committee to enter into 
> negotiations concerning, or any other office space not comprising an 
> entire building, the committee in charge of the building fund shall 
> send all donors to this fund, by email or printed letter, a written 
> explanation and apology for using the funds to buy a part of a 
> building, rather than an entire building as was repeatedly described 
> in fundraising letters seeking donations for the project. This letter 
> shall ask each donor to send an email to LP secretary and building 
> fund point man David Blau (secretary at lp.org), stating the donor's 
> preference that his or her donation be (a) spent on office space in a 
> building purchased under the authorization of the LNC in lieu of 
> actually buying a building, (b) refunded, in which case a full refund 
> shall be issued to that donor as soon as reasonably possible, or (c) 
> put toward another Libertarian Party budget item of the donor's 
> choice, which should be specified in the donor's email to the 
> secretary; and inform them that if they have any further questions or 
> concerns about the project to purchase a new office or how their donation
is being handled they are welcome to contact one of their LNC
representatives (listed at http://www.lp.org/lnc-leadership).
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ~~~~~~
> 
> 	I am seeking co-sponsors for this motion, and urge all my fellow 
> representatives and alternates on the Libertarian National Committee 
> to reply to this email as co-sponsors. Let us not dishonor David 
> Nolan's memory by giving even the appearance of raising under false 
> pretenses money to be used toward purchasing a space to be dedicated to
him.
> 
> Love & Liberty,
>                                  ((( starchild ))) At-Large 
> Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> 
> 
> P.S. - If anyone not on the Libertarian National Committee receiving 
> this message has thoughts on this matter that you would like me to 
> share with the LNC, please let me know. I hope you will encourage them 
> to support this motion.
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