[Lnc-business] Executive Committee meeting Sunday December 29th, 12:00PM Eastern

Sun Dec 29 00:12:47 EST 2013

The "draft" minutes state:

Mr. Vohra moved to delegate to the Executive Committee the authority to
allot the funds raised

to reimburse those who traveled to the LNC meeting on December 7-8 that was
cancelled due to an ice

storm. The motion passed, with 8 in favor and 2 against. Hagan, Hinkle,
Johnson, Lark, Neale, Pojunis,

Vohra, and Wiener voted in favor. Linnabary and Starchild voted against.

Allot: to give someone (an amount of something) to use or have

That's a verb.  Yes, the LNC did not REQUIRE, but did delegate the authority
to ACT.  The EC can certainly vote to take no action, but I still say the
intent of the motion was for the EC to act.

However, in order to alleviate your concerns over LP members money being
spent to reimburse extraordinary expenses, I propose that I reduce the
amount of the disbursement from the Chair's discretionary fund from $1,000
to $727.40 if you agree to ask for nothing.  After all, all of the other
money was freely given by donors for the express purpose of covering these
extraordinary expenses.

All you have to say is "that's fine with me", and I will do that, and no one
on the EC can override my usage of the Chair's discretionary fund.

Geoff

From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of
Starchild
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 7:11 PM
To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
Cc: Grassroots Libertarians Caucus; Aaron Starr; LP Sunshine Caucus; LP
Radical Caucus; lpusmisc at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Executive Committee meeting Sunday December
29th, 12:00PM Eastern

Geoff,

            The draft minutes you quoted referred to the authority having
been *delegated*. If Arvin's motion was in fact intended to *require* the
Executive Committee to make the decision, as you suggest, then I hope the
final minutes will properly reflect this. 

            Wrapping the matter up this calendar year for
reporting/accounting purposes sounds reasonable, though we could have done
so without kicking the decision upstairs (even if we no longer have that
option).

            I still think the plan to spend party funds to reimburse LNC
members' travel expenses stinks, and urge members of the Executive Committee
to do the right thing and vote against any such expenditure.

            I'm copying your response below to the other lists to which I
posted my last message, as requested.

Love & Liberty,

                                   ((( starchild )))

At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee

On Dec 28, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Geoffrey Neale wrote:

I have removed Mr. Linnabary from the distribution list - he is on this
committee and should not need to be specifically added to the distribution.
I have removed all of the other groups that I do not subscribe to, and do
not have the bandwidth to read.  I trust you will forward what is necessary
on behalf of these individuals, and also that you will repost my response.

The LNC voted to delegate not only the authority, but the duty to decide on
this matter.  As I said before, they can rescind that by a mail ballot.

As to a good reason, the best reasons I can come up with is that some
individuals actually need the money sooner than the two votes necessary to
effect this decision through the LNC would take, and this is a decision that
is best made and effected in this calendar year - for accounting and
reporting purposes.

Geoffrey Neale

-----Original Message-----
From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of
Starchild
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 6:25 PM
To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
Cc: lpusmisc at yahoogroups.com; LP Radical Caucus; Aaron Starr; LP Sunshine
Caucus; Steve Linnabary; Grassroots Libertarians Caucus
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Executive Committee meeting Sunday December
29th, 12:00PM Eastern

            I realize we voted to allow the Executive Committee to allot
these
reimbursement funds, but presumably some of the thinking on this was that it
would be easier for a smaller group to work out the details of how the funds
would be divvied up. Now that there is a concrete proposal on the table, is
there any good reason why the LNC as a whole shouldn't vote? Just because
the authority has been delegated doesn't mean the delegated authority must
be used, does it? Kicking this decision upstairs unpleasantly reminds me of
the governmental practice of legislatures appointing civil service
commissions to set their pay, essentially guaranteeing themselves regular
pay increases without the embarrassment of having to vote on the issue
themselves.

            Thanks for answering the question about Steve Linnabary. I
encourage
Steve to submit his request so a little more of this money can be saved by
the party. 

Love & Liberty,
                                   ((( starchild ))) At-Large
Representative, Libertarian National Committee

On Dec 28, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Geoffrey Neale wrote:

The reason the EC is making this decision is because it was moved and

passed at the LNC meeting for the EC to make this decision.  As such, it
would take a vote of the LNC to first rescind its decision to delegate this
task to the EC, or to reconsider it, either of which would require a mail
ballot. If that motion passed, then the LNC could vote on this motion.

The reason Mr. Linnabary is not listed is that he did not submit a request

for reimbursement. If I missed his request, I would appreciate it being
resent to me, and I will have to alter my motion.

Geoffrey Neale

On Dec 28, 2013, at 3:30 PM, Geoffrey Neale wrote:

>From the draft minutes of the last LNC meeting:

REIMBURSEMENT FOR CANCELLED MEETING.

Mr. Vohra moved to delegate to the Executive Committee the authority 

to allot the funds raised to reimburse those who traveled to the LNC 

meeting on December 7-8 that was cancelled due to an ice storm. The 

motion passed, with 8 in favor and 2 against. Hagan, Hinkle, Johnson,

Lark, Neale, Pojunis, Vohra, and Wiener voted in favor. Linnabary and
Starchild voted against.

Geoff

From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf 

Of Starchild

Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 4:58 PM

To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org

Cc: Aaron Starr; Steve Linnabary

Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Executive Committee meeting Sunday 

December 29th, 12:00PM Eastern

Geoff,

           Is there any good reason why the LNC as a whole cannot vote on

this motion? Also, I don't see Steve Linnabary listed among those to be
reimbursed.

Love & Liberty,

                                   ((( starchild ))) At-Large 

Representative, Libertarian National Committee

On Dec 28, 2013, at 7:41 AM, Geoffrey Neale wrote:

I am calling for an EC meeting at 12 Noon Eastern on Sunday December 29th.

The single item on the agenda will be the reimbursement of travel expenses
for the canceled LNC meeting.

Call in instructions are at the bottom of this email.

My motion will be as follows:

-------------

Whereas many LNC members experienced financial costs due to the
weather-related cancelation of the December 7th LNC meeting, and the
subsequent rescheduling to December 14th; and

Whereas LP members donated $3,352, and Geoffrey Neale has pledged $300, and
the Chair is authorizing the expenditure of $1,000 from his discretionary
fund, as defined in the Policy Manual, resulting in a total available
reimbursement pool of $4,652.00;  and

Whereas certain individuals have requested reimbursement for less than their
total expenses; and

Whereas the sum of expenses reported to the Treasurer total $6,844.98, with
a sum of requested reimbursements totaling $6,102.30; and

Whereas the Executive Committee finds that members will be eligible for
reimbursement for travel expenses, excluding baggage fees, and actual hotel
costs incurred at the Hyatt DFW airport for up to two nights at a rate of
$110.88 per night, and parking expenses, resulting in a total eligible
reimbursement amount of $5,859.39; and

Whereas there are insufficient funds available to fully reimburse all LNC
members requesting reimbursement;

Therefore, be it resolved that reimbursement shall be according to the
following procedure:

Each LNC member shall pay the first $100 of their expenses, or the sum of
their expenses that they have volunteered to personally absorb, whichever is
higher.

Each LNC member will be reimbursed for their remaining expenses, up to $810
per member.

All expenses in excess of $910 will be absorbed by the LNC member.

Such distribution will result in a total reimbursement of $4,651.46.

--------------

The details of this allocation are:

LNC Member

Reported

Eligible

Member Cost

Absorbed

Reimbursed

Visek

$187.00

$187.00

$100.00

	$87.00

Tomasso

$718.25

$681.88

$100.00

	$581.88

Starr

$838.03

$838.03

$563.80

	$274.23

Starchild

$372.60

$372.60

$100.00

	$272.60

Pojunis

$347.00

$347.00

$100.00

	$247.00

Lieberman

$1,452.48

$1,300.76

$100.00

$385.76

$810.00

Kirkland

$927.18

$927.18

$100.00

$12.28

$810.00

Hinkle

$175.00

$175.00

$175.00

	$0.00

Hagan

$783.46

$783.46

$178.88

	$604.58

Goldstein

$457.80

$457.80

$100.00

	$357.80

Cloud

$761.18

$706.36

$100.00

	$606.36

Totals

$7,019.98

$6,777.07

		$4,651.45

-----------------------------               

Guest Instructions

Dial-in: 1 (217) 258-5588
Guest Pin Code: 207730

1. At conference time, dial the Conference Dial-In number above.

2. At the prompt, enter the Access Code followed by the # key.

3. You will hear music until the Moderator enters the call.

To mute your individual phone line, press * 6.

To un-mute your individual phone line, press * 7.

_______________________________________________

Lnc-business mailing list

Lnc-business at hq.lp.org

http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org

---
This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.
http://www.avast.com
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business/attachments/20131228/b058d907/attachment-0002.html>