[Lnc-business] Executive Committee meeting Sunday December 29th, 12:00PM Eastern
Starchild
sfdreamer at earthlink.net
Sun Dec 29 04:40:06 EST 2013
Thank you Geoff for the offer to reduce the amount of disbursement by $272.60, but I would rather see each of the donors given the opportunity to choose what to do with his or her share of any reimbursement funds going to me. If I'm not allowed to find out the answer to that question and divvy up the money accordingly, then I will put the funds toward some other specific purpose that I think will do more good for our cause than simply letting the money sit in the general fund where it could end up being spent on anything from meeting snacks to hotel stay reimbursement.
I will concede that saying the intent of the motion was for the Executive Committee to act seems like a reasonable interpretation.
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild )))
At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
On Dec 28, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Geoffrey Neale wrote:
> The “draft” minutes state:
>
> Mr. Vohra moved to delegate to the Executive Committee the authority to allot the funds raised
> to reimburse those who traveled to the LNC meeting on December 7-8 that was cancelled due to an ice
> storm. The motion passed, with 8 in favor and 2 against. Hagan, Hinkle, Johnson, Lark, Neale, Pojunis,
> Vohra, and Wiener voted in favor. Linnabary and Starchild voted against.
>
> Allot: to give someone (an amount of something) to use or have
>
> That’s a verb. Yes, the LNC did not REQUIRE, but did delegate the authority to ACT. The EC can certainly vote to take no action, but I still say the intent of the motion was for the EC to act.
>
> However, in order to alleviate your concerns over LP members money being spent to reimburse extraordinary expenses, I propose that I reduce the amount of the disbursement from the Chair’s discretionary fund from $1,000 to $727.40 if you agree to ask for nothing. After all, all of the other money was freely given by donors for the express purpose of covering these extraordinary expenses.
>
> All you have to say is “that’s fine with me”, and I will do that, and no one on the EC can override my usage of the Chair’s discretionary fund.
>
> Geoff
>
> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Starchild
> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 7:11 PM
> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> Cc: Grassroots Libertarians Caucus; Aaron Starr; LP Sunshine Caucus; LP Radical Caucus; lpusmisc at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Executive Committee meeting Sunday December 29th, 12:00PM Eastern
>
> Geoff,
>
> The draft minutes you quoted referred to the authority having been *delegated*. If Arvin's motion was in fact intended to *require* the Executive Committee to make the decision, as you suggest, then I hope the final minutes will properly reflect this.
>
> Wrapping the matter up this calendar year for reporting/accounting purposes sounds reasonable, though we could have done so without kicking the decision upstairs (even if we no longer have that option).
>
> I still think the plan to spend party funds to reimburse LNC members' travel expenses stinks, and urge members of the Executive Committee to do the right thing and vote against any such expenditure.
>
> I'm copying your response below to the other lists to which I posted my last message, as requested.
>
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>
>
> On Dec 28, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Geoffrey Neale wrote:
>
>
> I have removed Mr. Linnabary from the distribution list - he is on this
> committee and should not need to be specifically added to the distribution.
> I have removed all of the other groups that I do not subscribe to, and do
> not have the bandwidth to read. I trust you will forward what is necessary
> on behalf of these individuals, and also that you will repost my response.
>
> The LNC voted to delegate not only the authority, but the duty to decide on
> this matter. As I said before, they can rescind that by a mail ballot.
>
> As to a good reason, the best reasons I can come up with is that some
> individuals actually need the money sooner than the two votes necessary to
> effect this decision through the LNC would take, and this is a decision that
> is best made and effected in this calendar year - for accounting and
> reporting purposes.
>
> Geoffrey Neale
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of
> Starchild
> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 6:25 PM
> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> Cc: lpusmisc at yahoogroups.com; LP Radical Caucus; Aaron Starr; LP Sunshine
> Caucus; Steve Linnabary; Grassroots Libertarians Caucus
> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Executive Committee meeting Sunday December
> 29th, 12:00PM Eastern
>
> I realize we voted to allow the Executive Committee to allot these
> reimbursement funds, but presumably some of the thinking on this was that it
> would be easier for a smaller group to work out the details of how the funds
> would be divvied up. Now that there is a concrete proposal on the table, is
> there any good reason why the LNC as a whole shouldn't vote? Just because
> the authority has been delegated doesn't mean the delegated authority must
> be used, does it? Kicking this decision upstairs unpleasantly reminds me of
> the governmental practice of legislatures appointing civil service
> commissions to set their pay, essentially guaranteeing themselves regular
> pay increases without the embarrassment of having to vote on the issue
> themselves.
>
> Thanks for answering the question about Steve Linnabary. I encourage
> Steve to submit his request so a little more of this money can be saved by
> the party.
>
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild ))) At-Large
> Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>
>
> On Dec 28, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Geoffrey Neale wrote:
>
>
> The reason the EC is making this decision is because it was moved and
> passed at the LNC meeting for the EC to make this decision. As such, it
> would take a vote of the LNC to first rescind its decision to delegate this
> task to the EC, or to reconsider it, either of which would require a mail
> ballot. If that motion passed, then the LNC could vote on this motion.
>
> The reason Mr. Linnabary is not listed is that he did not submit a request
> for reimbursement. If I missed his request, I would appreciate it being
> resent to me, and I will have to alter my motion.
>
> Geoffrey Neale
>
> On Dec 28, 2013, at 3:30 PM, Geoffrey Neale wrote:
>
>
> From the draft minutes of the last LNC meeting:
>
> REIMBURSEMENT FOR CANCELLED MEETING.
> Mr. Vohra moved to delegate to the Executive Committee the authority
> to allot the funds raised to reimburse those who traveled to the LNC
> meeting on December 7-8 that was cancelled due to an ice storm. The
> motion passed, with 8 in favor and 2 against. Hagan, Hinkle, Johnson,
> Lark, Neale, Pojunis, Vohra, and Wiener voted in favor. Linnabary and
> Starchild voted against.
>
> Geoff
>
> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf
> Of Starchild
> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 4:58 PM
> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> Cc: Aaron Starr; Steve Linnabary
> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Executive Committee meeting Sunday
> December 29th, 12:00PM Eastern
>
> Geoff,
>
> Is there any good reason why the LNC as a whole cannot vote on
> this motion? Also, I don't see Steve Linnabary listed among those to be
> reimbursed.
>
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild ))) At-Large
> Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>
>
> On Dec 28, 2013, at 7:41 AM, Geoffrey Neale wrote:
>
>
>
> I am calling for an EC meeting at 12 Noon Eastern on Sunday December 29th.
>
> The single item on the agenda will be the reimbursement of travel expenses for the canceled LNC meeting.
>
> Call in instructions are at the bottom of this email.
>
> My motion will be as follows:
>
> -------------
>
> Whereas many LNC members experienced financial costs due to the weather-related cancelation of the December 7th LNC meeting, and the subsequent rescheduling to December 14th; and
>
> Whereas LP members donated $3,352, and Geoffrey Neale has pledged $300, and the Chair is authorizing the expenditure of $1,000 from his discretionary fund, as defined in the Policy Manual, resulting in a total available reimbursement pool of $4,652.00; and
>
> Whereas certain individuals have requested reimbursement for less than their total expenses; and
>
> Whereas the sum of expenses reported to the Treasurer total $6,844.98, with a sum of requested reimbursements totaling $6,102.30; and
>
> Whereas the Executive Committee finds that members will be eligible for reimbursement for travel expenses, excluding baggage fees, and actual hotel costs incurred at the Hyatt DFW airport for up to two nights at a rate of $110.88 per night, and parking expenses, resulting in a total eligible reimbursement amount of $5,859.39; and
>
> Whereas there are insufficient funds available to fully reimburse all LNC members requesting reimbursement;
>
> Therefore, be it resolved that reimbursement shall be according to the following procedure:
>
> Each LNC member shall pay the first $100 of their expenses, or the sum of their expenses that they have volunteered to personally absorb, whichever is higher.
> Each LNC member will be reimbursed for their remaining expenses, up to $810 per member.
> All expenses in excess of $910 will be absorbed by the LNC member.
>
> Such distribution will result in a total reimbursement of $4,651.46.
>
> --------------
>
> The details of this allocation are:
>
> LNC Member
> Reported
> Eligible
> Member Cost
> Absorbed
> Reimbursed
> Visek
> $187.00
> $187.00
> $100.00
> $87.00
> Tomasso
> $718.25
> $681.88
> $100.00
> $581.88
> Starr
> $838.03
> $838.03
> $563.80
> $274.23
> Starchild
> $372.60
> $372.60
> $100.00
> $272.60
> Pojunis
> $347.00
> $347.00
> $100.00
> $247.00
> Lieberman
> $1,452.48
> $1,300.76
> $100.00
> $385.76
> $810.00
> Kirkland
> $927.18
> $927.18
> $100.00
> $12.28
> $810.00
> Hinkle
> $175.00
> $175.00
> $175.00
> $0.00
> Hagan
> $783.46
> $783.46
> $178.88
> $604.58
> Goldstein
> $457.80
> $457.80
> $100.00
> $357.80
> Cloud
> $761.18
> $706.36
> $100.00
> $606.36
> Totals
> $7,019.98
> $6,777.07
> $4,651.45
>
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