[Lnc-business] LNC Minutes, Dec. 14-15, 2013, Approved, Correct Link

[R. Lee Wrights]

Ms. Visek,

Why was Mr. Starr and Mr. Dixon included in the distribution of this piece
of wasted time? Neither of them serve on the LNC and neither of them have
standing to be part of a discussion about approved minutes.

Honestly, I am seeing an obsession here with having to be "right" all the
time, I find disturbing. With all the vitally important things we have to
consider, it seems the "only" time you come on this list is to deliver Mr.
Starr's list of corrections.

Again, I suggest you start preparing your run for LNC Secretary like,
yesterday.  Thanks.

As I understand it, the minutes in question stand approved. I would
disregard this post and move on to more pressing matters.  Our membership
deserves better than this waste of valuable time.


Lee Wrights
Vice Chair


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Dianna Visek <dianna.visek at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Gary,
>
> You indicated that you made two changes on p. 11 rather than just the one
> called for in the motion.  That other instance was not an oversight.  It
> was intentionally left out of my motion.
>
> Mr. Hinkle's motion to "suspend the rules to take up the agenda item
> Budget Review and Approval" was a different circumstance than the others
> for which I made the motion to record Neale's abstention.  On that motion,
> after you made it around the rest of the room with the roll call, Geoff
> interrupted and declared that the motion failed before you had an
> opportunity to call Geoff's name for the roll call.  So in the other
> instances, Geoff's name was called and he gave a verbal response to the
> roll call indicating his abstention.  But in this case, his name was not
> called, so he did not respond to the roll call.  That is why that situation
> was intentionally left out of the motion, and on p. 11, I only requested a
> change on the motion regarding shipping expenses.
>
> However, if Geoff Neale does not object to his early termination of the
> roll call being recorded as an abstention on his part for that motion, I
> don't object either and we can move on.  Geoff was there.  He had the floor
> as the chair and could have voted if he wanted to, but the motion had
> clearly failed and for efficiency he just didn't bother to wait for his
> name to be called.  I don't think it's improper to list it as an abstention
> in that case, but it's not required either.  The circumstances were enough
> different that I chose not to include it in my motion, but I don't object
> to handling it that way.
>
> Dianna
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Gary Johnson <sedition at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> To the Libertarian National Committee,
>>
>>  CORRECT LINK BELOW; I SENT THE WRONG LINK IN THE PREVIOUS EMAIL.
>>
>>  My apologies. The previous email I sent you had the old link to an
>> earlier draft of the minutes. The correct link is below.
>>
>>  Here is a link to what I believe can be considered the approved minutes
>> of the December 14 and 15, 2013, LNC meeting in Dallas.
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0aeUFU0tiIqNW9OMWxYcEJCbU0/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>>  Anyone with this link should be able to view this document. To
>> download, click "File" and click "Download."
>>
>>  On January 11, a member of the LNC, Dianna Visek, challenged the
>> updated draft of the minutes. Therefore the minutes I prepared as secretary
>> pro tem for the session were not auto approved.
>>
>>  Also on January 11, Ms. Visek, made the following motion for an email
>> ballot:
>> I move to adopt the December 14-15, 2013 LNC meeting minutes, subject to
>> the Secretary adding Geoff Neale's abstentions which are not currently
>> listed in the roll call votes on the following motions:
>> p. 9 Michael Cloud motion
>> p. 10 first motion regarding Carla Howell
>> p. 11 second motion regarding Carla Howell
>> p. 11 shipping motion
>> p. 12 FEC motion
>> p. 12 Dixon motion
>> p. 12 Purpose of Committees motion
>> p. 14 appeal chair's ruling on the multiple choice motion
>> p. 15 proviso on budget for ballot access expenditures
>>
>>  Later on January 11, the chair, Geoffrey Neale, sponsored the motion,
>> meaning seconds were not needed.
>>
>>  On January 14, the secretary, David Blau, distributed "Email Ballot
>> 2014-01" on the motion to amend and approve the minutes and declared that
>> voting would end on January 24 at 11:59 p.m. Eastern Time.
>>
>>  The motion passed, with 9 in favor and 1 against. Goldstein, Hagan,
>> Kirkland, Lark, Neale, Pojunis, Starchild, Visek, and Wiener voted in
>> favor. Johnson voted against.
>>
>>  Lieberman also voted in favor; but his vote as one of the two
>> alternates for Region 4 did not count because both of the representatives
>> for Region 4 voted.
>>
>>  Olsen attempted to vote in favor of the motion; but he cast his vote on
>> January 25, after the polling had ended.
>>
>>  Since the Libertarian National Committee had 18 members, at least 10
>> votes were needed for a quorum. And, since there were 10 votes, enough
>> votes were cast.
>>
>>  http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2014/thread.html
>>
>>  The motion said "subject to the Secretary adding Geoff Neale's
>> abstentions." Does this mean the secretary, Mr. Blau, is supposed to this?
>>
>>  I don't know if anyone assumed that I was going to do this as the
>> secretary pro tem for the session.
>>
>>  Anyway, I have amended and prepared the approved minutes.
>>
>>  I have labeled this version "Approved by Email Ballot. Updated January
>> 24, 2014." January 24 was the last day for voting on the e-mail ballot.
>>
>>  Although the motion for the email ballot called for nine changes, I
>> have made ten changes.
>>
>>  One of the changes is "p. 11 shipping motion." However, there are two
>> roll call votes on page 11 in the "Shipping Motion" section. So, I changed
>> both.
>>
>>  Listed below are the changes from the fourth draft to the approved
>> version.
>>
>>  p. 9 Michael Cloud motion
>>
>>  41. TO RECORD THE CHAIR AS ABSTAINING WHEN THE CHAIR DID NOT VOTE --
>> DELETE:
>> The motion by Mr. Cloud to adopt the resolution "Motion to Pay Mr. Cloud
>> a Fair Amount for his Fundraising Services" failed, with 4 in favor and 11
>> against. Goldstein, Lieberman, Starchild, and Visek voted in favor. Cloud,
>> Hagan, Hinkle, Kirkland, Johnson, Lark, Olsen, Redpath, Tomasso, Vohra, and
>> Wiener voted against.
>> INSERT:
>> The motion by Mr. Cloud to adopt the resolution "Motion to Pay Mr. Cloud
>> a Fair Amount for his Fundraising Services" failed, with 4 in favor, 11
>> against, and 1 abstaining. Goldstein, Lieberman, Starchild, and Visek voted
>> in favor. Cloud, Hagan, Hinkle, Kirkland, Johnson, Lark, Olsen, Redpath,
>> Tomasso, Vohra, and Wiener voted against. Neale abstained.
>>
>>  p. 10 first motion regarding Carla Howell
>>
>>  42. TO RECORD THE CHAIR AS ABSTAINING WHEN THE CHAIR DID NOT VOTE --
>> DELETE:
>> The motion passed, with 13 in favor and 2 against. Cloud, Goldstein,
>> Hagan, Johnson, Kirkland, Lark, Lieberman, Olsen, Redpath, Starchild,
>> Tomasso, Visek, and Wiener voted in favor. Hinkle and Vohra voted against.
>> INSERT:
>> The motion passed, with 13 in favor, 2 against, and 1 abstaining. Cloud,
>> Goldstein, Hagan, Johnson, Kirkland, Lark, Lieberman, Olsen, Redpath,
>> Starchild, Tomasso, Visek, and Wiener voted in favor. Hinkle and Vohra
>> voted against. Neale abstained.
>>
>>  p. 11 second motion regarding Carla Howell
>>
>>  43. TO RECORD THE CHAIR AS ABSTAINING WHEN THE CHAIR DID NOT VOTE --
>> DELETE:
>> The amended motion passed, with 14 in favor and 1 against. Cloud,
>> Goldstein, Hagan, Hinkle, Johnson, Kirkland, Lark, Lieberman, Olsen,
>> Redpath, Starchild, Tomasso, Visek, and Wiener voted in favor. Vohra voted
>> against.
>> INSERT:
>> The amended motion passed, with 14 in favor, 1 against, and 1 abstaining.
>> Cloud, Goldstein, Hagan, Hinkle, Johnson, Kirkland, Lark, Lieberman, Olsen,
>> Redpath, Starchild, Tomasso, Visek, and Wiener voted in favor. Vohra voted
>> against. Neale abstained.
>>
>>  p. 11 shipping motion
>>
>>  44. TO RECORD THE CHAIR AS ABSTAINING WHEN THE CHAIR DID NOT VOTE --
>> DELETE:
>> Mr. Hinkle moved to suspend the rules to take up the agenda item Budget
>> Review and Approval. The motion failed, with 5 in favor and 10 against.
>> Cloud, Hinkle, Kirkland, Olsen, and Vohra voted in favor. Goldstein, Hagan,
>> Johnson, Lark, Pojunis, Redpath, Starchild, Tomasso, Visek, and Wiener
>> voted against.
>> INSERT:
>> Mr. Hinkle moved to suspend the rules to take up the agenda item Budget
>> Review and Approval. The motion failed, with 5 in favor, 10 against, and 1
>> abstaining. Cloud, Hinkle, Kirkland, Olsen, and Vohra voted in favor.
>> Goldstein, Hagan, Johnson, Lark, Pojunis, Redpath, Starchild, Tomasso,
>> Visek, and Wiener voted against. Neale abstained.
>>
>>  45. TO RECORD THE CHAIR AS ABSTAINING WHEN THE CHAIR DID NOT VOTE --
>> DELETE:
>> The motion passed, with 11 in favor and 4 against. Goldstein, Hagan,
>> Johnson, Kirkland, Lark, Pojunis, Redpath, Starchild, Tomasso, Visek, and
>> Wiener voted in favor. Cloud, Hinkle, Olsen, and Vohra voted against.
>> INSERT:
>> The motion passed, with 11 in favor, 4 against, and 1 abstaining.
>> Goldstein, Hagan, Johnson, Kirkland, Lark, Pojunis, Redpath, Starchild,
>> Tomasso, Visek, and Wiener voted in favor. Cloud, Hinkle, Olsen, and Vohra
>> voted against. Neale abstained.
>>
>>  p. 12 FEC motion
>>
>>  46. TO RECORD THE CHAIR AS ABSTAINING WHEN THE CHAIR DID NOT VOTE --
>> DELETE:
>> The motion passed, with 12 in favor, 1 against, and 2 abstaining. Cloud,
>> Goldstein, Hagan, Johnson, Kirkland, Lark, Pojunis, Redpath, Starchild,
>> Tomasso, Visek, and Wiener voted in favor. Hinkle voted against. Olsen and
>> Vohra abstained.
>> INSERT:
>> The motion passed, with 12 in favor, 1 against, and 3 abstaining. Cloud,
>> Goldstein, Hagan, Johnson, Kirkland, Lark, Pojunis, Redpath, Starchild,
>> Tomasso, Visek, and Wiener voted in favor. Hinkle voted against. Neale,
>> Olsen, and Vohra abstained.
>>
>>  p. 12 Dixon motion
>>
>>  47. TO RECORD THE CHAIR AS ABSTAINING WHEN THE CHAIR DID NOT VOTE --
>> DELETE:
>> The motion passed, with 10 in favor, 2 against, and 3 abstaining.
>> Goldstein, Hagan, Johnson, Kirkland, Lark, Olsen, Pojunis, Redpath, Wiener,
>> and Visek voted in favor. Cloud and Hinkle voted against. Starchild,
>> Tomasso, and Vohra abstained.
>> INSERT:
>> The motion passed, with 10 in favor, 2 against, and 4 abstaining.
>> Goldstein, Hagan, Johnson, Kirkland, Lark, Olsen, Pojunis, Redpath, Wiener,
>> and Visek voted in favor. Cloud and Hinkle voted against. Neale, Starchild,
>> Tomasso, and Vohra abstained.
>>
>>  p. 12 Purpose of Committees motion
>>
>>  48. TO RECORD THE CHAIR AS ABSTAINING WHEN THE CHAIR DID NOT VOTE --
>> DELETE:
>> Starchild moved that the LP.org web page listing committee members
>> include links to committee reports posted online and contact information.
>> The motion failed, with 5 in favor, 9 against, and 1 abstaining. Hagan,
>> Johnson, Lark, Starchild and Tomasso voted in favor. Goldstein, Hinkle,
>> Kirkland, Olsen, Pojunis, Redpath, Visek, Vohra, and Wiener voted against.
>> Cloud abstained.
>> INSERT:
>> Starchild moved that the LP.org web page listing committee members
>> include links to committee reports posted online and contact information.
>> The motion failed, with 5 in favor, 9 against, and 2 abstaining. Hagan,
>> Johnson, Lark, Starchild, and Tomasso voted in favor. Goldstein, Hinkle,
>> Kirkland, Olsen, Pojunis, Redpath, Visek, Vohra, and Wiener voted against.
>> Neale and Cloud abstained.
>>
>>  p. 14 appeal chair's ruling on the multiple choice motion
>>
>>  49. TO RECORD THE CHAIR AS ABSTAINING WHEN THE CHAIR DID NOT VOTE --
>> DELETE:
>> Mr. Neale ruled that the motion was out of order because it was a
>> multiple choice. Mr. Cloud appealed the ruling of the chair. The ruling of
>> the chair was upheld, with 10 in favor of upholding the chair, 4 against,
>> and 1 abstaining. Hagan, Hinkle, Johnson, Kirkland, Lark, Olsen, Redpath,
>> Starchild, Tomasso, and Wiener voted in favor. Cloud, Goldstein, Pojunis,
>> and Visek voted against. Vohra abstained.
>> INSERT:
>> Mr. Neale ruled that the motion was out of order because it was a
>> multiple choice. Mr. Cloud appealed the ruling of the chair. The ruling of
>> the chair was upheld, with 10 in favor of upholding the chair, 4 against,
>> and 2 abstaining. Hagan, Hinkle, Johnson, Kirkland, Lark, Olsen, Redpath,
>> Starchild, Tomasso, and Wiener voted in favor. Cloud, Goldstein, Pojunis,
>> and Visek voted against. Neale and Vohra abstained.
>>
>>  p. 15 proviso on budget for ballot access expenditures
>>
>>  50. TO RECORD THE CHAIR AS ABSTAINING WHEN THE CHAIR DID NOT VOTE --
>> DELETE:
>> The amended proviso passed, with 11 in favor, 1 against, and 2
>> abstaining. Goldstein, Hagan, Johnson, Lark, Lieberman, Olsen, Starchild,
>> Tomasso, Visek, Vohra, and Wiener voted in favor. Hinkle voted against.
>> Kirkland and Redpath abstained.
>> INSERT:
>> The amended proviso passed, with 11 in favor, 1 against, and 3
>> abstaining. Goldstein, Hagan, Johnson, Lark, Lieberman, Olsen, Starchild,
>> Tomasso, Visek, Vohra, and Wiener voted in favor. Hinkle voted against.
>> Kirkland, Neale, and Redpath abstained.
>>
>>  Gary Johnson
>> 512-441-6378
>> sedition at aol.com
>>
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