[Lnc-business] LNC Minutes, Dec. 14-15, 2013, Approved, Correct Link

Thu Feb 27 11:40:07 EST 2014

Dear Mr. Wrights,

I sent my email to everyone whom Mr. Johnson sent his original email.

Dianna

On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:13 AM, R. Lee Wrights <rleewrights at gmail.com>wrote:

> Ms. Visek,
>
> Why was Mr. Starr and Mr. Dixon included in the distribution of this piece
> of wasted time? Neither of them serve on the LNC and neither of them have
> standing to be part of a discussion about approved minutes.
>
> Honestly, I am seeing an obsession here with having to be "right" all the
> time, I find disturbing. With all the vitally important things we have to
> consider, it seems the "only" time you come on this list is to deliver Mr.
> Starr's list of corrections.
>
> Again, I suggest you start preparing your run for LNC Secretary like,
> yesterday.  Thanks.
>
> As I understand it, the minutes in question stand approved. I would
> disregard this post and move on to more pressing matters.  Our membership
> deserves better than this waste of valuable time.
>
>
> Lee Wrights
> Vice Chair
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Dianna Visek <dianna.visek at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Gary,
>>
>> You indicated that you made two changes on p. 11 rather than just the one
>> called for in the motion.  That other instance was not an oversight.  It
>> was intentionally left out of my motion.
>>
>> Mr. Hinkle's motion to "suspend the rules to take up the agenda item
>> Budget Review and Approval" was a different circumstance than the others
>> for which I made the motion to record Neale's abstention.  On that motion,
>> after you made it around the rest of the room with the roll call, Geoff
>> interrupted and declared that the motion failed before you had an
>> opportunity to call Geoff's name for the roll call.  So in the other
>> instances, Geoff's name was called and he gave a verbal response to the
>> roll call indicating his abstention.  But in this case, his name was not
>> called, so he did not respond to the roll call.  That is why that situation
>> was intentionally left out of the motion, and on p. 11, I only requested a
>> change on the motion regarding shipping expenses.
>>
>> However, if Geoff Neale does not object to his early termination of the
>> roll call being recorded as an abstention on his part for that motion, I
>> don't object either and we can move on.  Geoff was there.  He had the floor
>> as the chair and could have voted if he wanted to, but the motion had
>> clearly failed and for efficiency he just didn't bother to wait for his
>> name to be called.  I don't think it's improper to list it as an abstention
>> in that case, but it's not required either.  The circumstances were enough
>> different that I chose not to include it in my motion, but I don't object
>> to handling it that way.
>>
>> Dianna
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Gary Johnson <sedition at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> To the Libertarian National Committee,
>>>
>>>  CORRECT LINK BELOW; I SENT THE WRONG LINK IN THE PREVIOUS EMAIL.
>>>
>>>  My apologies. The previous email I sent you had the old link to an
>>> earlier draft of the minutes. The correct link is below.
>>>
>>>  Here is a link to what I believe can be considered the approved
>>> minutes of the December 14 and 15, 2013, LNC meeting in Dallas.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0aeUFU0tiIqNW9OMWxYcEJCbU0/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>>  Anyone with this link should be able to view this document. To
>>> download, click "File" and click "Download."
>>>
>>>  On January 11, a member of the LNC, Dianna Visek, challenged the
>>> updated draft of the minutes. Therefore the minutes I prepared as secretary
>>> pro tem for the session were not auto approved.
>>>
>>>  Also on January 11, Ms. Visek, made the following motion for an email
>>> ballot:
>>> I move to adopt the December 14-15, 2013 LNC meeting minutes, subject to
>>> the Secretary adding Geoff Neale's abstentions which are not currently
>>> listed in the roll call votes on the following motions:
>>> p. 9 Michael Cloud motion
>>> p. 10 first motion regarding Carla Howell
>>> p. 11 second motion regarding Carla Howell
>>> p. 11 shipping motion
>>> p. 12 FEC motion
>>> p. 12 Dixon motion
>>> p. 12 Purpose of Committees motion
>>> p. 14 appeal chair's ruling on the multiple choice motion
>>> p. 15 proviso on budget for ballot access expenditures
>>>
>>>  Later on January 11, the chair, Geoffrey Neale, sponsored the motion,
>>> meaning seconds were not needed.
>>>
>>>  On January 14, the secretary, David Blau, distributed "Email Ballot
>>> 2014-01" on the motion to amend and approve the minutes and declared that
>>> voting would end on January 24 at 11:59 p.m. Eastern Time.
>>>
>>>  The motion passed, with 9 in favor and 1 against. Goldstein, Hagan,
>>> Kirkland, Lark, Neale, Pojunis, Starchild, Visek, and Wiener voted in
>>> favor. Johnson voted against.
>>>
>>>  Lieberman also voted in favor; but his vote as one of the two
>>> alternates for Region 4 did not count because both of the representatives
>>> for Region 4 voted.
>>>
>>>  Olsen attempted to vote in favor of the motion; but he cast his vote
>>> on January 25, after the polling had ended.
>>>
>>>  Since the Libertarian National Committee had 18 members, at least 10
>>> votes were needed for a quorum. And, since there were 10 votes, enough
>>> votes were cast.
>>>
>>>  http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2014/thread.html
>>>
>>>  The motion said "subject to the Secretary adding Geoff Neale's
>>> abstentions." Does this mean the secretary, Mr. Blau, is supposed to this?
>>>
>>>  I don't know if anyone assumed that I was going to do this as the
>>> secretary pro tem for the session.
>>>
>>>  Anyway, I have amended and prepared the approved minutes.
>>>
>>>  I have labeled this version "Approved by Email Ballot. Updated January
>>> 24, 2014." January 24 was the last day for voting on the e-mail ballot.
>>>
>>>  Although the motion for the email ballot called for nine changes, I
>>> have made ten changes.
>>>
>>>  One of the changes is "p. 11 shipping motion." However, there are two
>>> roll call votes on page 11 in the "Shipping Motion" section. So, I changed
>>> both.
>>>
>>>  Listed below are the changes from the fourth draft to the approved
>>> version.
>>>
>>>  p. 9 Michael Cloud motion
>>>
>>>  41. TO RECORD THE CHAIR AS ABSTAINING WHEN THE CHAIR DID NOT VOTE --
>>> DELETE:
>>> The motion by Mr. Cloud to adopt the resolution "Motion to Pay Mr. Cloud
>>> a Fair Amount for his Fundraising Services" failed, with 4 in favor and 11
>>> against. Goldstein, Lieberman, Starchild, and Visek voted in favor. Cloud,
>>> Hagan, Hinkle, Kirkland, Johnson, Lark, Olsen, Redpath, Tomasso, Vohra, and
>>> Wiener voted against.
>>> INSERT:
>>> The motion by Mr. Cloud to adopt the resolution "Motion to Pay Mr. Cloud
>>> a Fair Amount for his Fundraising Services" failed, with 4 in favor, 11
>>> against, and 1 abstaining. Goldstein, Lieberman, Starchild, and Visek voted
>>> in favor. Cloud, Hagan, Hinkle, Kirkland, Johnson, Lark, Olsen, Redpath,
>>> Tomasso, Vohra, and Wiener voted against. Neale abstained.
>>>
>>>  p. 10 first motion regarding Carla Howell
>>>
>>>  42. TO RECORD THE CHAIR AS ABSTAINING WHEN THE CHAIR DID NOT VOTE --
>>> DELETE:
>>> The motion passed, with 13 in favor and 2 against. Cloud, Goldstein,
>>> Hagan, Johnson, Kirkland, Lark, Lieberman, Olsen, Redpath, Starchild,
>>> Tomasso, Visek, and Wiener voted in favor. Hinkle and Vohra voted against.
>>> INSERT:
>>> The motion passed, with 13 in favor, 2 against, and 1 abstaining. Cloud,
>>> Goldstein, Hagan, Johnson, Kirkland, Lark, Lieberman, Olsen, Redpath,
>>> Starchild, Tomasso, Visek, and Wiener voted in favor. Hinkle and Vohra
>>> voted against. Neale abstained.
>>>
>>>  p. 11 second motion regarding Carla Howell
>>>
>>>  43. TO RECORD THE CHAIR AS ABSTAINING WHEN THE CHAIR DID NOT VOTE --
>>> DELETE:
>>> The amended motion passed, with 14 in favor and 1 against. Cloud,
>>> Goldstein, Hagan, Hinkle, Johnson, Kirkland, Lark, Lieberman, Olsen,
>>> Redpath, Starchild, Tomasso, Visek, and Wiener voted in favor. Vohra voted
>>> against.
>>> INSERT:
>>> The amended motion passed, with 14 in favor, 1 against, and 1
>>> abstaining. Cloud, Goldstein, Hagan, Hinkle, Johnson, Kirkland, Lark,
>>> Lieberman, Olsen, Redpath, Starchild, Tomasso, Visek, and Wiener voted in
>>> favor. Vohra voted against. Neale abstained.
>>>
>>>  p. 11 shipping motion
>>>
>>>  44. TO RECORD THE CHAIR AS ABSTAINING WHEN THE CHAIR DID NOT VOTE --
>>> DELETE:
>>> Mr. Hinkle moved to suspend the rules to take up the agenda item Budget
>>> Review and Approval. The motion failed, with 5 in favor and 10 against.
>>> Cloud, Hinkle, Kirkland, Olsen, and Vohra voted in favor. Goldstein, Hagan,
>>> Johnson, Lark, Pojunis, Redpath, Starchild, Tomasso, Visek, and Wiener
>>> voted against.
>>> INSERT:
>>> Mr. Hinkle moved to suspend the rules to take up the agenda item Budget
>>> Review and Approval. The motion failed, with 5 in favor, 10 against, and 1
>>> abstaining. Cloud, Hinkle, Kirkland, Olsen, and Vohra voted in favor.
>>> Goldstein, Hagan, Johnson, Lark, Pojunis, Redpath, Starchild, Tomasso,
>>> Visek, and Wiener voted against. Neale abstained.
>>>
>>>  45. TO RECORD THE CHAIR AS ABSTAINING WHEN THE CHAIR DID NOT VOTE --
>>> DELETE:
>>> The motion passed, with 11 in favor and 4 against. Goldstein, Hagan,
>>> Johnson, Kirkland, Lark, Pojunis, Redpath, Starchild, Tomasso, Visek, and
>>> Wiener voted in favor. Cloud, Hinkle, Olsen, and Vohra voted against.
>>> INSERT:
>>> The motion passed, with 11 in favor, 4 against, and 1 abstaining.
>>> Goldstein, Hagan, Johnson, Kirkland, Lark, Pojunis, Redpath, Starchild,
>>> Tomasso, Visek, and Wiener voted in favor. Cloud, Hinkle, Olsen, and Vohra
>>> voted against. Neale abstained.
>>>
>>>  p. 12 FEC motion
>>>
>>>  46. TO RECORD THE CHAIR AS ABSTAINING WHEN THE CHAIR DID NOT VOTE --
>>> DELETE:
>>> The motion passed, with 12 in favor, 1 against, and 2 abstaining. Cloud,
>>> Goldstein, Hagan, Johnson, Kirkland, Lark, Pojunis, Redpath, Starchild,
>>> Tomasso, Visek, and Wiener voted in favor. Hinkle voted against. Olsen and
>>> Vohra abstained.
>>> INSERT:
>>> The motion passed, with 12 in favor, 1 against, and 3 abstaining. Cloud,
>>> Goldstein, Hagan, Johnson, Kirkland, Lark, Pojunis, Redpath, Starchild,
>>> Tomasso, Visek, and Wiener voted in favor. Hinkle voted against. Neale,
>>> Olsen, and Vohra abstained.
>>>
>>>  p. 12 Dixon motion
>>>
>>>  47. TO RECORD THE CHAIR AS ABSTAINING WHEN THE CHAIR DID NOT VOTE --
>>> DELETE:
>>> The motion passed, with 10 in favor, 2 against, and 3 abstaining.
>>> Goldstein, Hagan, Johnson, Kirkland, Lark, Olsen, Pojunis, Redpath, Wiener,
>>> and Visek voted in favor. Cloud and Hinkle voted against. Starchild,
>>> Tomasso, and Vohra abstained.
>>> INSERT:
>>> The motion passed, with 10 in favor, 2 against, and 4 abstaining.
>>> Goldstein, Hagan, Johnson, Kirkland, Lark, Olsen, Pojunis, Redpath, Wiener,
>>> and Visek voted in favor. Cloud and Hinkle voted against. Neale, Starchild,
>>> Tomasso, and Vohra abstained.
>>>
>>>  p. 12 Purpose of Committees motion
>>>
>>>  48. TO RECORD THE CHAIR AS ABSTAINING WHEN THE CHAIR DID NOT VOTE --
>>> DELETE:
>>> Starchild moved that the LP.org web page listing committee members
>>> include links to committee reports posted online and contact information.
>>> The motion failed, with 5 in favor, 9 against, and 1 abstaining. Hagan,
>>> Johnson, Lark, Starchild and Tomasso voted in favor. Goldstein, Hinkle,
>>> Kirkland, Olsen, Pojunis, Redpath, Visek, Vohra, and Wiener voted against.
>>> Cloud abstained.
>>> INSERT:
>>> Starchild moved that the LP.org web page listing committee members
>>> include links to committee reports posted online and contact information.
>>> The motion failed, with 5 in favor, 9 against, and 2 abstaining. Hagan,
>>> Johnson, Lark, Starchild, and Tomasso voted in favor. Goldstein, Hinkle,
>>> Kirkland, Olsen, Pojunis, Redpath, Visek, Vohra, and Wiener voted against.
>>> Neale and Cloud abstained.
>>>
>>>  p. 14 appeal chair's ruling on the multiple choice motion
>>>
>>>  49. TO RECORD THE CHAIR AS ABSTAINING WHEN THE CHAIR DID NOT VOTE --
>>> DELETE:
>>> Mr. Neale ruled that the motion was out of order because it was a
>>> multiple choice. Mr. Cloud appealed the ruling of the chair. The ruling of
>>> the chair was upheld, with 10 in favor of upholding the chair, 4 against,
>>> and 1 abstaining. Hagan, Hinkle, Johnson, Kirkland, Lark, Olsen, Redpath,
>>> Starchild, Tomasso, and Wiener voted in favor. Cloud, Goldstein, Pojunis,
>>> and Visek voted against. Vohra abstained.
>>> INSERT:
>>> Mr. Neale ruled that the motion was out of order because it was a
>>> multiple choice. Mr. Cloud appealed the ruling of the chair. The ruling of
>>> the chair was upheld, with 10 in favor of upholding the chair, 4 against,
>>> and 2 abstaining. Hagan, Hinkle, Johnson, Kirkland, Lark, Olsen, Redpath,
>>> Starchild, Tomasso, and Wiener voted in favor. Cloud, Goldstein, Pojunis,
>>> and Visek voted against. Neale and Vohra abstained.
>>>
>>>  p. 15 proviso on budget for ballot access expenditures
>>>
>>>  50. TO RECORD THE CHAIR AS ABSTAINING WHEN THE CHAIR DID NOT VOTE --
>>> DELETE:
>>> The amended proviso passed, with 11 in favor, 1 against, and 2
>>> abstaining. Goldstein, Hagan, Johnson, Lark, Lieberman, Olsen, Starchild,
>>> Tomasso, Visek, Vohra, and Wiener voted in favor. Hinkle voted against.
>>> Kirkland and Redpath abstained.
>>> INSERT:
>>> The amended proviso passed, with 11 in favor, 1 against, and 3
>>> abstaining. Goldstein, Hagan, Johnson, Lark, Lieberman, Olsen, Starchild,
>>> Tomasso, Visek, Vohra, and Wiener voted in favor. Hinkle voted against.
>>> Kirkland, Neale, and Redpath abstained.
>>>
>>>  Gary Johnson
>>> 512-441-6378
>>> sedition at aol.com
>>>
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