[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2014-13: Increase funding for KY lawsuit

[Joshua Katz]

Aye unless superseded
Joshua A. Katz
Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)


On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 11:50 PM, Joshua Katz
<planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've played golf a few times.  I've never hit a hole in one.  If I had
> quit on the first stroke of every hole, I'd have won exactly as many
> games as I have won - 0.
>
> Why did the golfer wear two pairs of shoes?
> Joshua A. Katz
> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Guy McLendon <guy at mclendon.net> wrote:
>> Trying to be humorous ... reference:  "3) Quitting before we finish out all the rounds of the fight can also set an undesirable precedent."
>>
>> I'm not a golfer, but this comment is directed towards those who are.
>>
>> How many times have you put a ball into a hole on the first swing?
>>
>> How many games would you have won if you'd quit the run after failing to hit a hole in one?
>>
>> Guy McLendon
>> LNC At Large Member
>> Chair Affiliate Support Committee
>> Libertarian Party National Committee
>> www.lp.org
>> Cell 832-372-8131
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas Sarwark
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:29 PM
>> To: Region1rep; lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2014-13: Increase funding for KY lawsuit
>>
>> To respond briefly to Norm's points:
>>
>> 1) Yes, we are still below the reserve requirement, but we are in the black again, have retired the convention bill, and are rebuilding the reserves.  The trend is positive.
>>
>> 2) This is incorrect.  There is a particular argument related to trying to get Mr. Patterson into the debate that was put forward.  As the debate has happened already, that argument is moot, but it also gives us leave to amend the claims to pursue monetary damages and address other constitutional claims that could not be part of the emergency injunction.
>>
>> 3) Quitting before we finish out all the rounds of the fight can also set an undesirable precedent.
>>
>> 4) I assure you that they would rather we not continue this particular fight.  KET looks very bad based on the existing state of the record and will look much worse as the lawsuit continues.
>>
>> 5) He asked for help with specific information about emails that showed viewpoint discrimination, making it a viable case.  Not everyone who asks gets told yes, but nobody who doesn't ask gets told yes.
>>
>> 6) To be clear, this budget would come from the legal offense fund, not the general fund and specific fundraising for that purpose will continue.
>>
>>
>> -Nick
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Norm Olsen <region1rep at donedad.com> wrote:
>>> Nay!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I understand the emotion for this motion, but we need to go beyond
>>> emotion and make objective hard choices.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1>     We are still in a bit of a cash flow problem; reserves remain
>>> 1> less
>>> than that required by the Policy Manual.
>>>
>>> 2>     Presumably we have already used our best argument and lost.
>>> 2> Throwing
>>> more money at this is emotionally driven.
>>>
>>> 3>     Losing battles of this nature provide undesirable precedent.
>>> 3> Let’s
>>> accept our loss and get on with building an organization.
>>>
>>> 4>     This is fighting the battles the R’s and D’s want us to burn
>>> 4> our
>>> meager resources fighting.  We need to be more selective is choosing
>>> the battles which we choose to fight.  In so doing, we need to fight
>>> battles which we can win. It’s winning battles that moves us forward,
>>> regardless of how minor the “win” is.
>>>
>>> 5>     There are candidates in several (most?) states who were
>>> 5> excluded from
>>> debates. I am unaware of how one state/candidate was selected for this
>>> effort.
>>>
>>> 6>     If we want to make “getting our candidates in the debates” a
>>> 6> strategy
>>> for future success, then let’s do so formally with a project, a
>>> committee, publicity, a fund raising effort, etc.  The 2012 proposed
>>> project labeled “Legal Offense Fund” comes to mind.  If that’s what we
>>> objectively decide to do, then let’s do it and do it with vigor and do it well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Norm
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Norman T Olsen
>>>
>>> Regional Representative, Region 1
>>>
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>
>>> 7931 South Broadway, PMB 102
>>>
>>> Littleton, CO  80122-271-
>>>
>>> 303-263-4995
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Alicia Mattson
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:47 AM
>>> To: lnc-business
>>> Subject: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2014-13: Increase funding for KY
>>> lawsuit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by November 4, 2014 at
>>> 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
>>>
>>> Sponsor:  Nick Sarwark
>>>
>>> Motion:  Increase the budget for the Kentucky litigation from $9,000
>>> to $14,000.
>>>
>>> Alicia Mattson
>>>
>>> LNC Secretary
>>>
>>>
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