[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2014-13: Increase funding for KY lawsuit

[Vicki Kirkland]

Record my vote as an Abstention.
Vicki Kirkland
Region 2 Rep LNC


On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 12:06 AM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Aye unless superseded
> Joshua A. Katz
> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 11:50 PM, Joshua Katz
> <planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I've played golf a few times.  I've never hit a hole in one.  If I had
> > quit on the first stroke of every hole, I'd have won exactly as many
> > games as I have won - 0.
> >
> > Why did the golfer wear two pairs of shoes?
> > Joshua A. Katz
> > Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Guy McLendon <guy at mclendon.net> wrote:
> >> Trying to be humorous ... reference:  "3) Quitting before we finish out
> all the rounds of the fight can also set an undesirable precedent."
> >>
> >> I'm not a golfer, but this comment is directed towards those who are.
> >>
> >> How many times have you put a ball into a hole on the first swing?
> >>
> >> How many games would you have won if you'd quit the run after failing
> to hit a hole in one?
> >>
> >> Guy McLendon
> >> LNC At Large Member
> >> Chair Affiliate Support Committee
> >> Libertarian Party National Committee
> >> www.lp.org
> >> Cell 832-372-8131
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf
> Of Nicholas Sarwark
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:29 PM
> >> To: Region1rep; lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2014-13: Increase funding for
> KY lawsuit
> >>
> >> To respond briefly to Norm's points:
> >>
> >> 1) Yes, we are still below the reserve requirement, but we are in the
> black again, have retired the convention bill, and are rebuilding the
> reserves.  The trend is positive.
> >>
> >> 2) This is incorrect.  There is a particular argument related to trying
> to get Mr. Patterson into the debate that was put forward.  As the debate
> has happened already, that argument is moot, but it also gives us leave to
> amend the claims to pursue monetary damages and address other
> constitutional claims that could not be part of the emergency injunction.
> >>
> >> 3) Quitting before we finish out all the rounds of the fight can also
> set an undesirable precedent.
> >>
> >> 4) I assure you that they would rather we not continue this particular
> fight.  KET looks very bad based on the existing state of the record and
> will look much worse as the lawsuit continues.
> >>
> >> 5) He asked for help with specific information about emails that showed
> viewpoint discrimination, making it a viable case.  Not everyone who asks
> gets told yes, but nobody who doesn't ask gets told yes.
> >>
> >> 6) To be clear, this budget would come from the legal offense fund, not
> the general fund and specific fundraising for that purpose will continue.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Nick
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Norm Olsen <region1rep at donedad.com>
> wrote:
> >>> Nay!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I understand the emotion for this motion, but we need to go beyond
> >>> emotion and make objective hard choices.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 1>     We are still in a bit of a cash flow problem; reserves remain
> >>> 1> less
> >>> than that required by the Policy Manual.
> >>>
> >>> 2>     Presumably we have already used our best argument and lost.
> >>> 2> Throwing
> >>> more money at this is emotionally driven.
> >>>
> >>> 3>     Losing battles of this nature provide undesirable precedent.
> >>> 3> Let’s
> >>> accept our loss and get on with building an organization.
> >>>
> >>> 4>     This is fighting the battles the R’s and D’s want us to burn
> >>> 4> our
> >>> meager resources fighting.  We need to be more selective is choosing
> >>> the battles which we choose to fight.  In so doing, we need to fight
> >>> battles which we can win. It’s winning battles that moves us forward,
> >>> regardless of how minor the “win” is.
> >>>
> >>> 5>     There are candidates in several (most?) states who were
> >>> 5> excluded from
> >>> debates. I am unaware of how one state/candidate was selected for this
> >>> effort.
> >>>
> >>> 6>     If we want to make “getting our candidates in the debates” a
> >>> 6> strategy
> >>> for future success, then let’s do so formally with a project, a
> >>> committee, publicity, a fund raising effort, etc.  The 2012 proposed
> >>> project labeled “Legal Offense Fund” comes to mind.  If that’s what we
> >>> objectively decide to do, then let’s do it and do it with vigor and do
> it well.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Norm
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Norman T Olsen
> >>>
> >>> Regional Representative, Region 1
> >>>
> >>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>>
> >>> 7931 South Broadway, PMB 102
> >>>
> >>> Littleton, CO  80122-271-
> >>>
> >>> 303-263-4995
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf
> >>> Of Alicia Mattson
> >>> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:47 AM
> >>> To: lnc-business
> >>> Subject: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2014-13: Increase funding for KY
> >>> lawsuit
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by November 4, 2014 at
> >>> 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
> >>>
> >>> Sponsor:  Nick Sarwark
> >>>
> >>> Motion:  Increase the budget for the Kentucky litigation from $9,000
> >>> to $14,000.
> >>>
> >>> Alicia Mattson
> >>>
> >>> LNC Secretary
> >>>
> >>>
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