[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2015-06: Oklahoma petition drive

[Alicia Mattson]

This is one of those situations that highlights the inherent problems with
email ballots.

In a face-to-face meeting a motion could be withdrawn during the debate
period, but not once voting has started.  With email ballots the debate
period overlaps the voting period, so can it be withdrawn or not?

In a face-to-face meeting we would quickly settle the question of
withdrawing the motion, or more likely we would amend the original by
substitution, before any votes were cast.  It would probably be done
without objection in a face-to-face meeting, but what is the email ballot
procedure for that?  Since it is essentially a vote, it technically takes
the same 10 days for an email ballot to see if anyone objects.

Email ballots are parliamentary la-la land, which is why RONR starts
warning against them on page 1.

I strongly suspect that no one will object to granting permission for this
motion to be withdrawn.  If nobody objects, we'll consider this first one
withdrawn, and then the votes cast on this one already won't matter.  If
someone does object but waits until the last minute, then people will be
scrambling to vote no on the first motion to kill it before the voting
ends.  If you're going to object, please do so now rather than waiting 10
days.  This has the potential to get technically messy otherwise.

I suppose those of us willing to allow this first motion to be withdrawn
could go ahead and vote no just so it will be doomed regardless of any
future objection that could arise.

-Alicia




On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Scott L. <scott73 at earthlink.net> wrote:

>     Once voting has started, the maker can not unilaterally withdraw a
> motion, since it belongs to the body as whole.
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> The maker needs a majority vote to be able to withdraw his motion.
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> My guess is that the easiest thing to do is to ask if anyone has any
> objection to this motion being withdrawn.  If no reply is received in – 24
> hours? – then it would be OK to withdraw the motion.
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> If the Secretary disagrees with my interpretation I look forward to
> reading her opinion.
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>   Scott Lieberman
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of
> Nicholas Sarwark
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 2:43 PM
> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2015-06: Oklahoma petition drive
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> I have asked the Secretary to withdraw this motion in favor of one with
> revised wording to address the concerns of some LNC members.
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> -Nick
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> > We have an electronic mail ballot.
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> > Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by June 28, 2015 at 11:59:59pm
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> > Sponsor:  Sarwark
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> > Motion:  Increase the Ballot Access Expense line item by $65,000, from
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> > $57,500 to $122,500, contingent on the LNC receiving cash receipts, not
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> > reduced by any associated fundraising expenses, that are earmarked for a
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> > 2015 Libertarian Party of Oklahoma petition drive, of at least $60,000.
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> > Alicia Mattson
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> > LNC Secretary
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