[Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

[Alicia Mattson]

I'm not sure what the unspecified-but-relevant information is that Mr.
Bittner referred to, however since I do sometimes get copied on off-list
emails, I do know that the Bellevue, WA contender for 2018 and one of the
two Phoenix-area contenders said they do not have meeting space available
for the Feb 20-21 weekend.  I believe the other three 2018 contenders have
this week submitted proposals and Helms Briscoe is shoring up some of the
details with them.

-Alicia





On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd be happy to respond to all of that.
>
> 1. No, it's not a motion.  It has no binding authority under our rules.
> But if 15 people respond and we still feel we need to defer to a proper
> motion to get "the board's feel" then I'd be truly at a loss for words.
>
> 2. I would never silence anyone - ever, but this has just gotten silly.
> If relevant information hasn't injected into the discussion within nearly
> SIX weeks of conversation, then I'm not sure when it would be or why we
> should wait on it further.  This should not be a complicated task.  I truly
> don't mean to sound curt in that response, but surely the time for that has
> passed.
>
> 3. I'm all for it.  To echo Mr. Bittner: *PLEASE SHARE YOUR OPINION NOW
> IF YOU HAVE ONE*.  I would encourage anyone who has any relevant
> information to put it out there.  What I really struggle with here is our
> unwillingness to place a hard deadline on this process.  So I've created
> one.  I guess everyone can just ignore that deadline, but then the problem
> just becomes a lack of participation.
>
> Everyone has email.  It takes literal seconds to respond.  I'm totally
> sympathetic to staff not being able to close this deal due to the holidays,
> but that has no bearing on US doing OUR part.  If one chooses not to voice
> their opinion then my personal position is that their opinion is not
> especially necessary to the conversation.
>
> I wish I could force the participation, but I obviously cannot.  I do hope
> that at least clears up my intent behind the poll.
>
> -Kevin
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Brett Bittner <brett at brettbittner.com>
> wrote:
>
>> So that I'm clear about this survey, I have a couple questions:
>>
>>    1. As it's not a motion, will there be anything binding about the
>>    outcome, other than the possibility of it being used in a motion's
>>    discussion to show the "sense of the body"? I know many take off lots of
>>    time around the holidays and don't check their e-mail. That being the case,
>>    would a result that is a landslide for one location, but did not even get
>>    50% participation, be used in the discussion when a formal motion is made?
>>    2. Having asked several people several questions regarding this
>>    meeting, as I'm having to coordinate travel with another group to
>>    accommodate a speaking engagement on the day before the meeting, I feel
>>    like I may have more information than others who've not asked those
>>    questions. I don't recall seeing all of that information make its way onto
>>    the LNC-Discuss list. Can we expect a survey with the info available now
>>    not be used to push a certain location once the actual motion for a
>>    location presents itself, where the discovery of all available information
>>    is used in the discussion?
>>    3. Is it possible for all of the moving parts that may affect the
>>    possible locations be shared on this list before Mr. Ludlow's midnight
>>    deadline?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brett C. Bittner
>>
>> brett at brettbittner.com
>> 404.492.6524
>>
>> "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much
>> liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Sam Goldstein <
>> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Kevin,
>>>
>>> Thanks for setting up the survey.  Should have been done a month ago.
>>>
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you for the update, Mr. Chair.
>>>>
>>>> If the democratic process is of any value, here is an online poll.  It
>>>> takes about 4 seconds.  It seems it would just be easy to give staff a
>>>> definitive answer.  I don't know of an easier way.
>>>>
>>>> Please include your name in the comment section.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.polljunkie.com/poll/ziybzf/with-all-of-the-information-you-now-have-which-city-should-the-february-lnc-mee
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Scott L. <scott73 at earthlink.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr. Ludlow:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I feel your pain.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Helms-Briscoe is currently getting bids for our February LNC Session
>>>>> from most or all of the hotels that are on the short list for our 2018
>>>>> Convention site.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it was the ED who wrote us that it is difficult to get bids
>>>>> from hotels this week due to most normal people
>>>>>
>>>>> having this week off  (Note –  I have to work this week, so I am
>>>>> clearly not normal).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggest we give staff until Thursday, January 7, 2016  to collect
>>>>> the bids that Helms-Briscoe is able to solicit.  If we have no decent bids
>>>>> on that date, then I suggest that we do what Mr. Ludlow suggests below.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Scott Lieberman
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On
>>>>> Behalf Of *Kevin Ludlow
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 29, 2015 8:11 PM
>>>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> LNC Members:
>>>>>
>>>>> I really dislike being that guy who sends multiple emails to a
>>>>> list-serve when most others are remaining silent.  I also recognize that I
>>>>> sometimes vocalize a strong tone, but I'm trying really hard to patiently
>>>>> understand what we're doing here.  I was very present in Orlando and
>>>>> am pretty sure I have not missed a single word of email.
>>>>>
>>>>> That being said, this specific email thread was started over two weeks
>>>>> ago.  It was started by Mr. Goldstein as a way to expedite what he (and no
>>>>> doubt several others) felt should have already been locked down.  I realize
>>>>> the holidays have been upon us, but are we really to believe that each of
>>>>> us cannot send 30-second-long emails from the convenience of his or her
>>>>> front pocket?
>>>>>
>>>>> We need to select a location; we need to book hotels; we need to book
>>>>> flights.
>>>>>
>>>>> What specifically is needed from this board in order to have a
>>>>> decision made THIS week?  I would be happy to setup a Doodle Poll (as I
>>>>> believe Mr. Katz suggested at the Orlando meeting).  I would be happy
>>>>> if staff simply asked the body - again - what their choice of the four
>>>>> locations was via email.  Either way, if this is to be democratic (which I
>>>>> don't feel it needs to be) then I would advocate giving members until
>>>>> December 30th, 11:59pm EST to submit their response and not a second later.
>>>>>
>>>>> I really don't care how it's done, but surely we are capable of
>>>>> accomplishing this very simple and discrete task.
>>>>>
>>>>> If this has already been done and I've just missed the conversation
>>>>> entirely then please paint me a fool and accept my most sincere apologies.
>>>>> I'll buy every one of you a beer for my mistake.  But if not, can we please
>>>>> lock this down immediately?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>
>>>>> Region 7 Rep
>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Guy McLendon <guy at mclendon.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I strongly prefer New Orleans over Phoenix …
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On
>>>>> Behalf Of *Tim Hagan
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2015 11:48 PM
>>>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm fine with any of those locations, including Seattle although I
>>>>> will be there next month for a memorial.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:02 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The LNC would not be petitioning. I'm expecting to have enough
>>>>> signature before then. Some LNC might help with a publicity event on Friday
>>>>> or Monday if the signatures are ready to turn in. Other press opportunities
>>>>> might exist.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm fine meeting anywhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> My usual first place choices for every meeting are New Orleans (close
>>>>> to my parents & great food), Las Vegas (fun), or DC (I don't have to
>>>>> pack). I was very pleasantly surprised with how nice Phoenix was last
>>>>> March. Loved the hotel. So, if you are worried that I'm pushing too hard
>>>>> for OKC, it's for the great prices and new LP activity there, not for me
>>>>> personally, although I have many relatives in Oklahoma.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was previously pushing to combine it with training in San Francisco
>>>>> or L.A., but could not get consensus. I'd be fine with Washington
>>>>> state, personally, but it seems like a long long way to fly for most
>>>>> people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>>> *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314*
>>>>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>>> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/23/2015 3:45 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding OKC, is there an actual expectation that the LNC would be
>>>>> out petitioning instead of meeting?  Did I just misunderstand that or
>>>>> possibly read into it incorrectly?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My quick checks show New Orleans, OKC, and Phoenix all have
>>>>> reasonably good airfares for February 19-21.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/23/2015 3:37 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I would advocate Phoenix over New Orleans.
>>>>>
>>>>> * PHX is easy and generally cheap to fly into
>>>>> * Phoenix itself is easy to get around
>>>>> * Car rentals tend to be super cheap in Phoenix
>>>>> * The city is specifically setup for business conferences
>>>>> * We have two potential sites to visit there
>>>>>
>>>>> * While it's not entirely west coast, it does address that imbalance
>>>>> to other members (a little at least)
>>>>>
>>>>> -Kevin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sam, what about New Orleans or Phoenix?
>>>>>
>>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>>> *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314*
>>>>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>>> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/23/2015 3:30 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't want a LNC meeting at OKC.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert found a couple of properties in OKC with rooms at around the
>>>>> $80/night level, free breakfast, and the meeting space is free or just a
>>>>> couple hundred dollars or so. That would be the least expensive LNC meeting
>>>>> in a long time. We could sign a deal right away if you'd like.
>>>>>
>>>>> Helms Briscoe says they don't expect proposals the week of Christmas.
>>>>> So, we can wait to see what comes up with Helms Briscoe later, and compare
>>>>> those to the OKC options, or go with OKC now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>>> *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314*
>>>>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>>> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/19/2015 9:59 AM, Wes Benedict wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Nick asked staff to do the same so Robert also contacted helms Briscoe
>>>>> Friday.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 19, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Since we don't yet have a plan for a February meeting location, I just
>>>>> emailed our 2018 site search agent asking her to find out if any of the
>>>>> short-list options might have available space for the Feb 20 weekend.
>>>>> (Cities are:  Atlantic City, NJ; New Orleans, LA; Phoenix, AZ;
>>>>> Bellevue, WA)  I indicated that time is of the essence, so they
>>>>> should send us their offers quickly if they're available.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Guy McLendon <guy at mclendon.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd go for OK City ...
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf
>>>>> Of Wes
>>>>> Benedict
>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:42 PM
>>>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>>>>>
>>>>> Sam, at least as of a week ago I don't think staff has been asked to
>>>>>
>>>>> research any locations. Copying Robert to verify. I proposed San Francisco
>>>>>
>>>>> recently but got zero interest from the LNC.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I found a great place in Oklahoma City for $79 per night if you all are
>>>>>
>>>>> interested. Best Western Saddleback. Nice meeting space and free breakfast.
>>>>>
>>>>> Southwest Airlines doesn't charge change fees if you need to change your
>>>>>
>>>>> flight. I flew into the ice storm Saturday after Thanksgiving and the people
>>>>>
>>>>> there didn't seem to panic even with downed power lines and trees
>>>>>
>>>>> everywhere. Was nice to be able to change flight just in case though
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Dec 14, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> > The date we set for our next meeting is rapidly approaching and we
>>>>>
>>>>> > have not yet selected a location.  Can we please get a report from
>>>>>
>>>>> > staff as to which locations we are considering?  I, for one, would
>>>>>
>>>>> > like to get this wrapped up in the next week so travel plans can be made.
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> > Live Free,
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> > Sam Goldstein
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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