[Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

Brett Bittner brett at brettbittner.com
Wed Dec 30 16:00:16 EST 2015 

That's the most relevant.

Brett

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On Dec 30, 2015 3:47 PM, "Alicia Mattson" <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure what the unspecified-but-relevant information is that Mr.
> Bittner referred to, however since I do sometimes get copied on off-list
> emails, I do know that the Bellevue, WA contender for 2018 and one of the
> two Phoenix-area contenders said they do not have meeting space available
> for the Feb 20-21 weekend.  I believe the other three 2018 contenders have
> this week submitted proposals and Helms Briscoe is shoring up some of the
> details with them.
>
> -Alicia
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'd be happy to respond to all of that.
>>
>> 1. No, it's not a motion.  It has no binding authority under our rules.
>> But if 15 people respond and we still feel we need to defer to a proper
>> motion to get "the board's feel" then I'd be truly at a loss for words.
>>
>> 2. I would never silence anyone - ever, but this has just gotten silly.
>> If relevant information hasn't injected into the discussion within nearly
>> SIX weeks of conversation, then I'm not sure when it would be or why we
>> should wait on it further.  This should not be a complicated task.  I truly
>> don't mean to sound curt in that response, but surely the time for that has
>> passed.
>>
>> 3. I'm all for it.  To echo Mr. Bittner: *PLEASE SHARE YOUR OPINION NOW
>> IF YOU HAVE ONE*.  I would encourage anyone who has any relevant
>> information to put it out there.  What I really struggle with here is our
>> unwillingness to place a hard deadline on this process.  So I've created
>> one.  I guess everyone can just ignore that deadline, but then the problem
>> just becomes a lack of participation.
>>
>> Everyone has email.  It takes literal seconds to respond.  I'm totally
>> sympathetic to staff not being able to close this deal due to the holidays,
>> but that has no bearing on US doing OUR part.  If one chooses not to voice
>> their opinion then my personal position is that their opinion is not
>> especially necessary to the conversation.
>>
>> I wish I could force the participation, but I obviously cannot.  I do
>> hope that at least clears up my intent behind the poll.
>>
>> -Kevin
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Brett Bittner <brett at brettbittner.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So that I'm clear about this survey, I have a couple questions:
>>>
>>>    1. As it's not a motion, will there be anything binding about the
>>>    outcome, other than the possibility of it being used in a motion's
>>>    discussion to show the "sense of the body"? I know many take off lots of
>>>    time around the holidays and don't check their e-mail. That being the case,
>>>    would a result that is a landslide for one location, but did not even get
>>>    50% participation, be used in the discussion when a formal motion is made?
>>>    2. Having asked several people several questions regarding this
>>>    meeting, as I'm having to coordinate travel with another group to
>>>    accommodate a speaking engagement on the day before the meeting, I feel
>>>    like I may have more information than others who've not asked those
>>>    questions. I don't recall seeing all of that information make its way onto
>>>    the LNC-Discuss list. Can we expect a survey with the info available now
>>>    not be used to push a certain location once the actual motion for a
>>>    location presents itself, where the discovery of all available information
>>>    is used in the discussion?
>>>    3. Is it possible for all of the moving parts that may affect the
>>>    possible locations be shared on this list before Mr. Ludlow's midnight
>>>    deadline?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Brett C. Bittner
>>>
>>> brett at brettbittner.com
>>> 404.492.6524
>>>
>>> "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much
>>> liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Sam Goldstein <
>>> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kevin,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for setting up the survey.  Should have been done a month ago.
>>>>
>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for the update, Mr. Chair.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the democratic process is of any value, here is an online poll.  It
>>>>> takes about 4 seconds.  It seems it would just be easy to give staff a
>>>>> definitive answer.  I don't know of an easier way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please include your name in the comment section.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.polljunkie.com/poll/ziybzf/with-all-of-the-information-you-now-have-which-city-should-the-february-lnc-mee
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Scott L. <scott73 at earthlink.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr. Ludlow:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I feel your pain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Helms-Briscoe is currently getting bids for our February LNC Session
>>>>>> from most or all of the hotels that are on the short list for our 2018
>>>>>> Convention site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it was the ED who wrote us that it is difficult to get bids
>>>>>> from hotels this week due to most normal people
>>>>>>
>>>>>> having this week off  (Note –  I have to work this week, so I am
>>>>>> clearly not normal).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suggest we give staff until Thursday, January 7, 2016  to collect
>>>>>> the bids that Helms-Briscoe is able to solicit.  If we have no decent bids
>>>>>> on that date, then I suggest that we do what Mr. Ludlow suggests below.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Scott Lieberman
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On
>>>>>> Behalf Of *Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 29, 2015 8:11 PM
>>>>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LNC Members:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really dislike being that guy who sends multiple emails to a
>>>>>> list-serve when most others are remaining silent.  I also recognize that I
>>>>>> sometimes vocalize a strong tone, but I'm trying really hard to patiently
>>>>>> understand what we're doing here.  I was very present in Orlando and
>>>>>> am pretty sure I have not missed a single word of email.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That being said, this specific email thread was started over two
>>>>>> weeks ago.  It was started by Mr. Goldstein as a way to expedite what he
>>>>>> (and no doubt several others) felt should have already been locked down.  I
>>>>>> realize the holidays have been upon us, but are we really to believe that
>>>>>> each of us cannot send 30-second-long emails from the convenience of his or
>>>>>> her front pocket?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We need to select a location; we need to book hotels; we need to book
>>>>>> flights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What specifically is needed from this board in order to have a
>>>>>> decision made THIS week?  I would be happy to setup a Doodle Poll (as I
>>>>>> believe Mr. Katz suggested at the Orlando meeting).  I would be
>>>>>> happy if staff simply asked the body - again - what their choice of the
>>>>>> four locations was via email.  Either way, if this is to be democratic
>>>>>> (which I don't feel it needs to be) then I would advocate giving members
>>>>>> until December 30th, 11:59pm EST to submit their response and not a second
>>>>>> later.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really don't care how it's done, but surely we are capable of
>>>>>> accomplishing this very simple and discrete task.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If this has already been done and I've just missed the conversation
>>>>>> entirely then please paint me a fool and accept my most sincere apologies.
>>>>>> I'll buy every one of you a beer for my mistake.  But if not, can we please
>>>>>> lock this down immediately?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Region 7 Rep
>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Guy McLendon <guy at mclendon.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I strongly prefer New Orleans over Phoenix …
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On
>>>>>> Behalf Of *Tim Hagan
>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2015 11:48 PM
>>>>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm fine with any of those locations, including Seattle although I
>>>>>> will be there next month for a memorial.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>>>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:02 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The LNC would not be petitioning. I'm expecting to have enough
>>>>>> signature before then. Some LNC might help with a publicity event on Friday
>>>>>> or Monday if the signatures are ready to turn in. Other press opportunities
>>>>>> might exist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm fine meeting anywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My usual first place choices for every meeting are New Orleans
>>>>>> (close to my parents & great food), Las Vegas (fun), or DC (I don't
>>>>>> have to pack). I was very pleasantly surprised with how nice Phoenix
>>>>>> was last March. Loved the hotel. So, if you are worried that I'm pushing
>>>>>> too hard for OKC, it's for the great prices and new LP activity there, not
>>>>>> for me personally, although I have many relatives in Oklahoma.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was previously pushing to combine it with training in San Francisco
>>>>>> or L.A., but could not get consensus. I'd be fine with Washington
>>>>>> state, personally, but it seems like a long long way to fly for most
>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>>>> *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314*
>>>>>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>>>> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>>>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/23/2015 3:45 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regarding OKC, is there an actual expectation that the LNC would be
>>>>>> out petitioning instead of meeting?  Did I just misunderstand that or
>>>>>> possibly read into it incorrectly?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My quick checks show New Orleans, OKC, and Phoenix all have
>>>>>> reasonably good airfares for February 19-21.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/23/2015 3:37 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would advocate Phoenix over New Orleans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * PHX is easy and generally cheap to fly into
>>>>>> * Phoenix itself is easy to get around
>>>>>> * Car rentals tend to be super cheap in Phoenix
>>>>>> * The city is specifically setup for business conferences
>>>>>> * We have two potential sites to visit there
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * While it's not entirely west coast, it does address that imbalance
>>>>>> to other members (a little at least)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Kevin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sam, what about New Orleans or Phoenix?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>>>> *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314*
>>>>>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>>>> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>>>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/23/2015 3:30 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't want a LNC meeting at OKC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert found a couple of properties in OKC with rooms at around the
>>>>>> $80/night level, free breakfast, and the meeting space is free or just a
>>>>>> couple hundred dollars or so. That would be the least expensive LNC meeting
>>>>>> in a long time. We could sign a deal right away if you'd like.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Helms Briscoe says they don't expect proposals the week of Christmas.
>>>>>> So, we can wait to see what comes up with Helms Briscoe later, and compare
>>>>>> those to the OKC options, or go with OKC now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>>>> *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314*
>>>>>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>>>> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>>>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/19/2015 9:59 AM, Wes Benedict wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nick asked staff to do the same so Robert also contacted helms
>>>>>> Briscoe Friday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 19, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since we don't yet have a plan for a February meeting location, I
>>>>>> just emailed our 2018 site search agent asking her to find out if any of
>>>>>> the short-list options might have available space for the Feb 20 weekend.
>>>>>> (Cities are:  Atlantic City, NJ; New Orleans, LA; Phoenix, AZ;
>>>>>> Bellevue, WA)  I indicated that time is of the essence, so they
>>>>>> should send us their offers quickly if they're available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Guy McLendon <guy at mclendon.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd go for OK City ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf
>>>>>> Of Wes
>>>>>> Benedict
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:42 PM
>>>>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sam, at least as of a week ago I don't think staff has been asked to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> research any locations. Copying Robert to verify. I proposed San Francisco
>>>>>>
>>>>>> recently but got zero interest from the LNC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I found a great place in Oklahoma City for $79 per night if you all are
>>>>>>
>>>>>> interested. Best Western Saddleback. Nice meeting space and free breakfast.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Southwest Airlines doesn't charge change fees if you need to change your
>>>>>>
>>>>>> flight. I flew into the ice storm Saturday after Thanksgiving and the people
>>>>>>
>>>>>> there didn't seem to panic even with downed power lines and trees
>>>>>>
>>>>>> everywhere. Was nice to be able to change flight just in case though
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > On Dec 14, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > The date we set for our next meeting is rapidly approaching and we
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > have not yet selected a location.  Can we please get a report from
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > staff as to which locations we are considering?  I, for one, would
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > like to get this wrapped up in the next week so travel plans can be made.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Live Free,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
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