[Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

Kevin Ludlow ludlow at gmail.com
Wed Dec 30 17:17:00 EST 2015 

If you voted for Phoenix and did not leave your name in the comments please
let me know.

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Brett Bittner <brett at brettbittner.com>
wrote:

> That's the most relevant.
>
> Brett
>
> **This message sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos.
> On Dec 30, 2015 3:47 PM, "Alicia Mattson" <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure what the unspecified-but-relevant information is that Mr.
>> Bittner referred to, however since I do sometimes get copied on off-list
>> emails, I do know that the Bellevue, WA contender for 2018 and one of the
>> two Phoenix-area contenders said they do not have meeting space available
>> for the Feb 20-21 weekend.  I believe the other three 2018 contenders have
>> this week submitted proposals and Helms Briscoe is shoring up some of the
>> details with them.
>>
>> -Alicia
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd be happy to respond to all of that.
>>>
>>> 1. No, it's not a motion.  It has no binding authority under our rules.
>>> But if 15 people respond and we still feel we need to defer to a proper
>>> motion to get "the board's feel" then I'd be truly at a loss for words.
>>>
>>> 2. I would never silence anyone - ever, but this has just gotten silly.
>>> If relevant information hasn't injected into the discussion within nearly
>>> SIX weeks of conversation, then I'm not sure when it would be or why we
>>> should wait on it further.  This should not be a complicated task.  I truly
>>> don't mean to sound curt in that response, but surely the time for that has
>>> passed.
>>>
>>> 3. I'm all for it.  To echo Mr. Bittner: *PLEASE SHARE YOUR OPINION NOW
>>> IF YOU HAVE ONE*.  I would encourage anyone who has any relevant
>>> information to put it out there.  What I really struggle with here is our
>>> unwillingness to place a hard deadline on this process.  So I've created
>>> one.  I guess everyone can just ignore that deadline, but then the problem
>>> just becomes a lack of participation.
>>>
>>> Everyone has email.  It takes literal seconds to respond.  I'm totally
>>> sympathetic to staff not being able to close this deal due to the holidays,
>>> but that has no bearing on US doing OUR part.  If one chooses not to voice
>>> their opinion then my personal position is that their opinion is not
>>> especially necessary to the conversation.
>>>
>>> I wish I could force the participation, but I obviously cannot.  I do
>>> hope that at least clears up my intent behind the poll.
>>>
>>> -Kevin
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Brett Bittner <brett at brettbittner.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So that I'm clear about this survey, I have a couple questions:
>>>>
>>>>    1. As it's not a motion, will there be anything binding about the
>>>>    outcome, other than the possibility of it being used in a motion's
>>>>    discussion to show the "sense of the body"? I know many take off lots of
>>>>    time around the holidays and don't check their e-mail. That being the case,
>>>>    would a result that is a landslide for one location, but did not even get
>>>>    50% participation, be used in the discussion when a formal motion is made?
>>>>    2. Having asked several people several questions regarding this
>>>>    meeting, as I'm having to coordinate travel with another group to
>>>>    accommodate a speaking engagement on the day before the meeting, I feel
>>>>    like I may have more information than others who've not asked those
>>>>    questions. I don't recall seeing all of that information make its way onto
>>>>    the LNC-Discuss list. Can we expect a survey with the info available now
>>>>    not be used to push a certain location once the actual motion for a
>>>>    location presents itself, where the discovery of all available information
>>>>    is used in the discussion?
>>>>    3. Is it possible for all of the moving parts that may affect the
>>>>    possible locations be shared on this list before Mr. Ludlow's midnight
>>>>    deadline?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Brett C. Bittner
>>>>
>>>> brett at brettbittner.com
>>>> 404.492.6524
>>>>
>>>> "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much
>>>> liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Sam Goldstein <
>>>> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Kevin,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for setting up the survey.  Should have been done a month ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for the update, Mr. Chair.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the democratic process is of any value, here is an online poll.
>>>>>> It takes about 4 seconds.  It seems it would just be easy to give staff a
>>>>>> definitive answer.  I don't know of an easier way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please include your name in the comment section.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.polljunkie.com/poll/ziybzf/with-all-of-the-information-you-now-have-which-city-should-the-february-lnc-mee
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Scott L. <scott73 at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr. Ludlow:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I feel your pain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Helms-Briscoe is currently getting bids for our February LNC Session
>>>>>>> from most or all of the hotels that are on the short list for our 2018
>>>>>>> Convention site.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it was the ED who wrote us that it is difficult to get bids
>>>>>>> from hotels this week due to most normal people
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> having this week off  (Note –  I have to work this week, so I am
>>>>>>> clearly not normal).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suggest we give staff until Thursday, January 7, 2016  to collect
>>>>>>> the bids that Helms-Briscoe is able to solicit.  If we have no decent bids
>>>>>>> on that date, then I suggest that we do what Mr. Ludlow suggests below.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Scott Lieberman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 29, 2015 8:11 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LNC Members:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I really dislike being that guy who sends multiple emails to a
>>>>>>> list-serve when most others are remaining silent.  I also recognize that I
>>>>>>> sometimes vocalize a strong tone, but I'm trying really hard to patiently
>>>>>>> understand what we're doing here.  I was very present in Orlando
>>>>>>> and am pretty sure I have not missed a single word of email.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That being said, this specific email thread was started over two
>>>>>>> weeks ago.  It was started by Mr. Goldstein as a way to expedite what he
>>>>>>> (and no doubt several others) felt should have already been locked down.  I
>>>>>>> realize the holidays have been upon us, but are we really to believe that
>>>>>>> each of us cannot send 30-second-long emails from the convenience of his or
>>>>>>> her front pocket?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We need to select a location; we need to book hotels; we need to
>>>>>>> book flights.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What specifically is needed from this board in order to have a
>>>>>>> decision made THIS week?  I would be happy to setup a Doodle Poll (as I
>>>>>>> believe Mr. Katz suggested at the Orlando meeting).  I would be
>>>>>>> happy if staff simply asked the body - again - what their choice of the
>>>>>>> four locations was via email.  Either way, if this is to be democratic
>>>>>>> (which I don't feel it needs to be) then I would advocate giving members
>>>>>>> until December 30th, 11:59pm EST to submit their response and not a second
>>>>>>> later.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I really don't care how it's done, but surely we are capable of
>>>>>>> accomplishing this very simple and discrete task.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If this has already been done and I've just missed the conversation
>>>>>>> entirely then please paint me a fool and accept my most sincere apologies.
>>>>>>> I'll buy every one of you a beer for my mistake.  But if not, can we please
>>>>>>> lock this down immediately?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Region 7 Rep
>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Guy McLendon <guy at mclendon.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I strongly prefer New Orleans over Phoenix …
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Tim Hagan
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2015 11:48 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm fine with any of those locations, including Seattle although I
>>>>>>> will be there next month for a memorial.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>>>>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:02 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The LNC would not be petitioning. I'm expecting to have enough
>>>>>>> signature before then. Some LNC might help with a publicity event on Friday
>>>>>>> or Monday if the signatures are ready to turn in. Other press opportunities
>>>>>>> might exist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm fine meeting anywhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My usual first place choices for every meeting are New Orleans
>>>>>>> (close to my parents & great food), Las Vegas (fun), or DC (I don't
>>>>>>> have to pack). I was very pleasantly surprised with how nice Phoenix
>>>>>>> was last March. Loved the hotel. So, if you are worried that I'm pushing
>>>>>>> too hard for OKC, it's for the great prices and new LP activity there, not
>>>>>>> for me personally, although I have many relatives in Oklahoma.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was previously pushing to combine it with training in San
>>>>>>> Francisco or L.A., but could not get consensus. I'd be fine with
>>>>>>> Washington state, personally, but it seems like a long long way to
>>>>>>> fly for most people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>>>>> *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314*
>>>>>>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>>>>> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>>>>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/23/2015 3:45 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regarding OKC, is there an actual expectation that the LNC would be
>>>>>>> out petitioning instead of meeting?  Did I just misunderstand that or
>>>>>>> possibly read into it incorrectly?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My quick checks show New Orleans, OKC, and Phoenix all have
>>>>>>> reasonably good airfares for February 19-21.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/23/2015 3:37 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would advocate Phoenix over New Orleans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * PHX is easy and generally cheap to fly into
>>>>>>> * Phoenix itself is easy to get around
>>>>>>> * Car rentals tend to be super cheap in Phoenix
>>>>>>> * The city is specifically setup for business conferences
>>>>>>> * We have two potential sites to visit there
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * While it's not entirely west coast, it does address that imbalance
>>>>>>> to other members (a little at least)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Kevin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sam, what about New Orleans or Phoenix?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>>>>> *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314*
>>>>>>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>>>>> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>>>>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/23/2015 3:30 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't want a LNC meeting at OKC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert found a couple of properties in OKC with rooms at around the
>>>>>>> $80/night level, free breakfast, and the meeting space is free or just a
>>>>>>> couple hundred dollars or so. That would be the least expensive LNC meeting
>>>>>>> in a long time. We could sign a deal right away if you'd like.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Helms Briscoe says they don't expect proposals the week of
>>>>>>> Christmas. So, we can wait to see what comes up with Helms Briscoe later,
>>>>>>> and compare those to the OKC options, or go with OKC now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>>>>> *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314*
>>>>>>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>>>>> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>>>>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/19/2015 9:59 AM, Wes Benedict wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nick asked staff to do the same so Robert also contacted helms
>>>>>>> Briscoe Friday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 19, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since we don't yet have a plan for a February meeting location, I
>>>>>>> just emailed our 2018 site search agent asking her to find out if any of
>>>>>>> the short-list options might have available space for the Feb 20 weekend.
>>>>>>> (Cities are:  Atlantic City, NJ; New Orleans, LA; Phoenix, AZ;
>>>>>>> Bellevue, WA)  I indicated that time is of the essence, so they
>>>>>>> should send us their offers quickly if they're available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Guy McLendon <guy at mclendon.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd go for OK City ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Wes
>>>>>>> Benedict
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:42 PM
>>>>>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sam, at least as of a week ago I don't think staff has been asked to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> research any locations. Copying Robert to verify. I proposed San Francisco
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> recently but got zero interest from the LNC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I found a great place in Oklahoma City for $79 per night if you all are
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> interested. Best Western Saddleback. Nice meeting space and free breakfast.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Southwest Airlines doesn't charge change fees if you need to change your
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> flight. I flew into the ice storm Saturday after Thanksgiving and the people
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> there didn't seem to panic even with downed power lines and trees
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> everywhere. Was nice to be able to change flight just in case though
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > On Dec 14, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > The date we set for our next meeting is rapidly approaching and we
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > have not yet selected a location.  Can we please get a report from
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > staff as to which locations we are considering?  I, for one, would
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > like to get this wrapped up in the next week so travel plans can be made.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Live Free,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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