[Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

[Joshua Katz]

As an alternate, I try to stay out of these discussions (except for my
suggestion at the start of the term to use online polls instead of shouting
out dates) but I am getting increasingly frustrated by this particular
discussion.  The primary question here is - in what city shall we spend the
weekend in a hotel meeting room?  I find it amazing just how long we have
batted around this question.  I suspect, particularly since we're operating
through email, that a large portion of this is politeness - the same sort
of thing that happens when a group of friends misses dinner, not because
they're fighting about what restaurant to go to (when most of my friends
lived in NYC and I lived nearby, I would joke that we should use a more
objective criteria, such as which cuisine's home the US had bombed most
recently, since our discussions usually centered around nations US foreign
policy was brutal towards) but because each says "well, I'd like pizza, I
guess, but not if you really want something else."

However, this is the governing body of a national political party.  We are
not trying to split the atom or to write the Great American Novel (although
I might write a satirical novel about a political party whose board spends
a month struggling to figure out where to meet).  This is distressing to me
- if I were a voter with no firm ideological commitment (which describes
plenty of voters, I think) and I viewed this torturous process, I would
hesitate to vote for a candidate of this party.  It becomes a matter of
"would you really turn your country over to these people - how will they
react to 2AM foreign policy emergencies?"  I think further that, as a
board, we need to get more comfortable disagreeing with each other, while
trusting each other to have the good of the party at heart.  It strikes me,
and this seems to be a good example, that we're not comfortable telling
each other "I wholeheartedly disagree with you and think you're wrong"
because that strikes us as impolite - but it's necessary both for politics
and for actually getting along.  Incidentally, this is why I don't like the
idea of ensuring members can call into board meetings without attending - I
really believe in board cohesion, and that we'd be more effective, and
perhaps take less than a month to choose a city for our meetings, if we
spent more time together.  Similarly, if we spend less time together, I
expect things like this to get more irritating.

Finally, I'll give my only substantive opinion on this (other than that I
could not care less where I go to sit in a hotel meeting room, and that I
find the fact that we've spent a month on this question absurd - it seems
to me there are greater threats to our liberty than making a sub-optimal
location choice):  I don't really want to participate in a photo op in
Oklahoma.  That doesn't mean I oppose meeting there - I think I've made my
feelings on where to meet clear - but I don't know how much credit we're
due for - well, for a subset of the board having voted to spend donor money
there.  Most of us, except Mr. Redpath and Mr. Riemers, didn't directly
contribute to the effort physically.  Some of us - I know Mr. Hayes, for
instance, fits this category - donated specifically for this effort, and
the people in those categories certainly deserve credit.  My major role was
exceptionally minimal - I voted for the initial allocation of money, wasn't
eligible to vote on any later questions, but posted messages here giving
arguments both for and against continuing the drive.  I know I wouldn't
want to appear in public taking credit for gaining ballot access.  Boards
govern, not manage - I am certainly not criticizing this board for having
had such a minimal role, since that's the role we're supposed to play.
Members of this board might, in fact, still feel that the costs were too
high, and that's a reasonable position to hold even after success: although
Henry Roberts counsels that, when we are outvoted, we should join in with
the majority and eagerly work to complete the task the majority has chosen,
until such a time as we can win the day.  It still makes me feel squeamish
about stepping in front of a camera (and you know how much I love cameras,
although I love them more between Memorial Day and Labor Day, when I can
wear my signature white loafers) to talk about how proud I am of the work
we've done, though.  Mr. Benedict spent time there.  Hard-working
petitioners spent time there.  Board members contributed time and effort.
Shouldn't the public notice attending this center on them?  (Also, I am
unlikely to get there early enough, or leave late enough, to participate
anyway.)

In any event, count me in favor of spending less than a month choosing a
location.  When I attend an LNC meeting, I eat most meals in the hotel, and
hotels have remarkably similar menus.  I might venture out to a nearby
restaurant or go on a short trip if we're in a spot where there are things
to do nearby, but even that is rare since I can't always take off an extra
day.  Hotel meeting rooms do vary in size and comfort, but not enough for
me to think it's worth spending this much time discussing.  I also don't
have a tremendous opinion on visiting potential convention sites - in
general, I trust the CoC to bring useful, informative data that will let me
form an opinion without walking through an empty ballroom while a manager
says "and your screens would be over there, and there would be chairs
here..."  Not that the latter isn't entertaining, it just isn't a huge
priority for me at this point in my life.

(Speaking of convention sites, I do want to note that, when I arrived at
the Rosen Centre, the front desk clerk told me the main restaurant was open
until 10.  I went up to my room, got cleaned up, and came down, arriving at
the restaurant at 8:45.  There was, indeed, a sign saying that it closed at
10 - but the door was blocked off, and a manager told me they were closed.
When I pointed to the sign clearly displaying the hours, they said "that's
just for business hours."  I had no idea what that was supposed to mean,
and simply responded that I had never heard of a business refusing entry to
paying customers more than an hour before their closing time, while
customers were clearly visible ordering, eating, laughing, and generally
having a good time - a good time I, too, would like to have.  After much
discussion and a few more comments to demonstrate my seriousness, I was
allowed in.  I left at 9:10.  I mention this because convention sessions
sometimes run late, and we might want to make sure that the hotel intends
to honor their posted hours so delegates can plan accordingly.)

Joshua A. Katz
Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Scott L. <scott73 at earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>
> I understand the need to get the site for our February Meeting settled,
> since almost all of us will need to purchase airline tickets.
>
>
> However, since LPHQ staff is currently in possession of bids that they
> solicited from Helms-Briscoe only last week, I request that we hold off on
> any polls until LPHQ staff posts those bids to this e-mail list.
>
>
>    Scott Lieberman
>
>
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Sam Goldstein
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2016 5:36 AM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Cc:* lnc-business
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>
>
>
> I would like a quick poll between the two cities since my preference is
> still Phoenix so we can view the two potential
>
> convention hotels.  Per Dr. Lark's remarks above, I see no reason to have
> a meeting at OKC.
>
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>
> Sam Goldstein
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> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 7:58 AM, Scott L. <scott73 at earthlink.net> wrote:
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>
> If the Chair thinks a photo op is necessary when the Oklahoma signatures
> are presented to the Oklahoma Secretary of State’s office, I have no
> problem whatsoever with him using his discretionary funds to fly from
> Phoenix to OKC to be present at that event.
>
>
>
> However, since the Chair specifically mentions Friday or Monday, it is
> pretty obvious that for a majority of the LNC to be present at such a press
> conference, they need to fly to Oklahoma on Thursday, or leave on
> Monday.  That means spending the money for an additional night at the
> hotel, plus missing a day of work.
>
>
>
>    Scott Lieberman
>
>
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Nicholas Sarwark
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 05, 2016 8:37 PM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>
>
>
> We have received bids from convention hotels in Bellevue, Phoenix, New
> Orleans, and Atlantic City.  Based on the poll Mr. Ludlow organized, I'm
> leaning toward planning the meeting for Oklahoma City.
>
> Robert is checking on final numbers on the bids that came in today, and
> should have those back by tomorrow.  All of the other cities are more
> expensive than Oklahoma City, but I think we already knew that.
>
> If you feel we should have another poll between Phoenix and Oklahoma City,
> please say so.  If I don't hear a strong objection or request for another
> poll in the next day or so, I intend to ask Mr. Benedict to go forward with
> planning the next meeting in Oklahoma City and
>
> *coordinating with the Oklahoma Libertarian Party for a press conference
> on the Friday prior or Monday after the meeting.*
>
>   Nick
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> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ms. Kirkland is right.  I completely missed Mr. Marsh's response.  So
> sorry, Ed and thanks, Vicki.  That leaves Mr. Tomasso and Mr. Windeler
> unaccounted for; I have a message out to both of them.  24 of 26 on our LNC
> list have weighed in.
>
>
>
> *Oklahoma City*
>
> Gary Johnson
>
> Marc Feldman
>
> Nick Sarwark
>
> Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)
>
> Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)
>
> Wes Benedict
> Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll)
> Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)
>
> Jim Lark
> Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll)
> Scott Spencer
> Bill Redpath
>
>
>
> *Phoenix*
>
> Kevin Ludlow
>
> Sam Goldstein
>
> Dan Wiener
>
> Alicia Mattson
>
> Tim Hagan
>
> Scott Lieberman
> Brett Bittner (originally voted Oklahoma City)
>
>
>
> *New Orleans*
>
> Arvin Vohra
> Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)
>
>
>
> *Atlantic City*
> Josh Katz
>
> Ed Marsh
>
> *Bellevue*
> Roland Rimers
>
> *Have not heard from*
>
> Ron Windeler
>
> Rich Tomasso
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Vicki Kirkland <vickilp12 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Ed Marsh voted for Atlantic City.
>
>
>
> Vicki Kirkland
>
> Region 2 Rep
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> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I texted with Mr. Redpath and he did in fact select OKC.  I left a text
> message for Mr. Tomasso, and voice messages for Mr. Marsh and Mr.
> Windeler.  They are the 3 outstanding voices.  I've reflected the tally
> below.
>
> > Count the emails going back 2 months on this topic Maybe next term
> delegate the decision to the chair?
>
> Like many people on this board, the chair is a family man.  I am not.  I
> have more time.  I fail to see why it matters who accomplishes a goal we
> all agreed would be accomplished at our last meeting.  Furthermore, we
> spent 2 months and got a mere 6 voices to weigh in.  We just had 23
> different voices speak up in less than 2 days.  I'll let my process stand
> for itself.
>
> >Kevin, what would big business people say?
>
> They wouldn't say anything.  They would have done their job 4 weeks ago
> and been through a dozen other items since.
>
> As a final response, I want to point out that I don't care about the
> politics of this and I likely never will.  I want to get stuff done.  I did
> what I felt it would take to get stuff done.  And in the matter of getting
> the board to participate, I got that stuff done.  I'm not challenging
> anybody, I just don't want to waste my precious hours on futility.
>
>
> *Oklahoma City*
>
> Gary Johnson
>
> Marc Feldman
>
> Nick Sarwark
>
> Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)
>
> Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)
>
> Wes Benedict
> Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll)
> Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)
>
> Jim Lark
> Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll)
> Scott Spencer
> Bill Redpath
>
>
>
> *Phoenix*
>
> Kevin Ludlow
>
> Sam Goldstein
>
> Dan Wiener
>
> Alicia Mattson
>
> Tim Hagan
>
> Scott Lieberman
> Brett Bittner (originally voted Oklahoma City)
>
>
>
> *New Orleans*
>
> Arvin Vohra
> Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)
>
>
>
> *Atlantic City*
> Josh Katz
>
> *Bellevue*
> Roland Rimers
>
> *Have not heard from*
>
> Ron Windeler
>
> Ed Marsh
>
> Rich Tomasso
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org> wrote:
>
> Count the emails going back 2 months on this topic. Maybe next term
> delegate the decision to the chair?
>
>
>
> Kevin, what would big business people say? (Not counting walmart or
> Berkshire Hathaway-those guys are cheap. )
>
>
>
> Can I change my vote to half for OKC and half for New Orleans?
>
> I'm craving crawfish. And I'm worried basking in the Phoenix sun will
> make me want to move LPHQ to Phoenix.
>
>
>
> I don't worry about being tempted to move to OKC. Same for New Orleans
> for different reasons. Too much fun = too unhealthy to actually live there.
>
>
>
> Happy new year!
>
>
>
> p.s. On vacation so cut me slack on quality of humor and legitimate
> content.
>
>
> On Dec 31, 2015, at 5:00 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> While I am again certain that Mr. Kraus is very well-intended here, he
> illustrates the point that I have been trying to make for weeks.  This is
> the kind of stamp-counting that the LP gets caught up in.
>
> We know there is SOME cost to having meetings. While there does exist a
> subjective level whereby we would have to factor the cost of something,
> $2,500 needs to be seen as pennies.  We're talking about a meeting for
> 20-30 people for executive leadership of the party.  I believe our annual
> budget is about $1.4m?
>
> $2,500 is 0.18% of $1.4m.  I realize that it might seem like a lot of
> money to some people, but in ANY business examination of the costs we're
> working with, it's pennies on the dollar.  I don't mean to sound
> insensitive there, but it's the reality of it.  If the body needs to
> consume an addition 0.18% of its resources to ensure the party is best
> represented, even if it has to do this 4 times per year, it doesn't make a
> dent in our budget.
>
> There are plenty of very wealthy, high-profile Libertarians around the
> country.  I am certain any of them would agree with my analysis here.  This
> is not an issue of frugality, but rather inexperience with real-world
> business.  I promise I say that lovingly, but we need to address is very
> seriously.
>
> -Kevin Ludlow
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org> wrote:
>
> Just to clarify – I was not talking about what was cheaper for YOU ALL –
> but what is likely to be the least expensive option for the PARTY AND OUR
> DONORS. At time a/v and wifi alone can run $1500 plus an additional $500 a
> day (or more) for cost of the meeting room. That’s likely to be $2500 in
> savings for the PARTY and our donors if you all decide on OKC. In terms of
> room savings – cost of travel – that is of course a factor too because our
> donors pay for staff to go to these meetings.
>
>
>
> Of course the least expensive option FOR THE PARTY (and our donors) is
> almost always to hold meeting sin DC near the office.
>
>
>
> Happy New Year!​​​​
>
>
>
> *Robert*
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Kevin Ludlow
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 4:39 PM
>
>
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>
>
>
> While I appreciate what Mr. Kraus is saying, I will defer back to my
> lengthy email from a week ago and echo exactly what Dr. Lieberman just
> wrote.
>
> I was *intentionally* meaning for the body to make a decision WITHOUT
> factoring cost.  We are the very top leadership of the Libertarian Party.
> It is an absurdity to think we would skirt what is ultimately best for the
> party to save ourselves some money.  While I am intent upon selecting a
> location so that at least we can save as much money as possible with
> advanced planning, that is a stark difference from selecting a location
> specifically because it would save us money.
>
> If I had the telephone numbers of the remaining 4 members who have not
> voted I would call them right now.  If you have their number I would
> encourage YOU to call them.  If somebody would like to send me those I will
> in fact do so.  Either way, I would hope that our body selects the location
> based upon their analysis of what is most important for the PARTY, not for
> their own wallet.  Factor the 2018 convention.  Factor the likeliness of
> selecting a location more suited for the delegation.  Factor the OKC ballot
> drive if you like.  But please don't factor it because it's cheapest for
> you.
>
> Thank you for enduring my continued positions on this matter.
>
> Kevin Ludlow
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Scott L. <scott73 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Remember – the LNC is supposed to be checking out potential Convention
> sites when we meet, at least when we have potential Convention sites to
> check out.
>
>
>
> Do we really want to report to our constituents that instead of checking
> out potential 2018 Convention hotels we chose
>
> Oklahoma City for a meeting because it might save LNC members a grand
> total of maybe $90 each?
>
>
>
> I suggest we wait until Tuesday and see what Helms-Briscoe comes up with.
>
>
>
>     Scott Lieberman
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Robert Kraus
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 12:50 PM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>
>
>
> Quick update:
>
>
>
> I have OKC on hold until next week so the space is available. HB said they
> are working on finalizing details for one Phoenix location, Atlantic City
> and New Orleans. We will likely here back Mon or Tue.  So hopefully all
> the options will be available for final review early next week and a
> decision can be made. Once you all see the costs (and substancial savings
> vs HB) perhaps the votes will change. Right now the only firm expenses are
> OKC – the best deal shown below (also includes all of our usual a/v):
>
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>
> Mind you the sales manager is libertarian so perhaps that helped!
>
>
>
> Happy New Year!​​​​
>
>
>
> *Robert*
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Wes Benedict
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:32 PM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>
>
>
> I was about to ask Robert to get a contract underway for OKC before he
> goes on vacation next week but  with Bittners change , it's too close to
> call.
>
>
>
> Bittner if you switch back it could expedite a final contract and decision
> by as much as a week.
>
>
>
> I'm fine either place. Any time.
>
>
>
> Robert, provide other commentary if you'd like.
>
>
>
> I'm on vacation this week and not following the details as closely as when
> on the clock.
>
>
>
> On Dec 31, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sure thing.  Reflected in the tallies below.
>
>
> * Oklahoma City*
>
> Gary Johnson
>
> Marc Feldman
>
> Nick Sarwark
>
> Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)
>
> Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)
>
> Wes Benedict
> Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll)
> Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)
>
> Jim Lark
> Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll)
> Scott Spencer
>
>
>
> *Phoenix*
>
> Kevin Ludlow
>
> Sam Goldstein
>
> Dan Wiener
>
> Alicia Mattson
>
> Tim Hagan
>
> Scott Lieberman
> Brett Bittner (originally voted Oklahoma City)
>
>
>
> *New Orleans*
>
> Arvin Vohra
> Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)
>
>
>
> *Atlantic City*
> Josh Katz
>
> *Bellevue*
> Roland Rimers
>
> *Have not heard from*
>
> Bill Redpath
> Ron Windeler
>
> Ed Marsh
>
> Rich Tomasso
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Brett Bittner <brett at brettbittner.com>
> wrote:
>
> After further consideration, can my preference be changed to Phoenix?
>
> Brett Bittner
>
> **This message sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos.
>
> On Dec 31, 2015 13:34, "Kevin Ludlow" <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And now as of 12:30 CST there are only 4 votes outstanding.  If anybody
> could contact those 4 just to have said everyone weighed in, it would be
> nice to see us utilize technology.
>
>
>
> *Oklahoma City*
>
> Gary Johnson
>
> Marc Feldman
>
> Brett Bittner
>
> Nick Sarwark
>
> Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)
>
> Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)
>
> Wes Benedict
> Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll)
> Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)
>
> Jim Lark
> Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll)
> Scott Spencer
>
>
>
> *Phoenix*
>
> Kevin Ludlow
>
> Sam Goldstein
>
> Dan Wiener
>
> Alicia Mattson
>
> Tim Hagan
>
> Scott Lieberman
>
>
>
> *New Orleans*
>
> Arvin Vohra
> Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)
>
>
>
> *Atlantic City*
> Josh Katz
>
> *Bellevue*
> Roland Rimers
>
> *Have not heard from*
>
> Bill Redpath
> Ron Windeler
>
> Ed Marsh
>
> Rich Tomasso
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks, Doug.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:21 PM, <doug at vikingmetals.com> wrote:
>
> New Orleans
> Doug
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Voting
> From: Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com>
> Date: Dec 31, 2015 1:07 PM
> To: "Bill Redpath" <william.redpath at lp.org>,"Doug Craig" <
> doug.craig at lp.org>,"Ed Marsh" <ed.marsh at lp.org>,"Scott Spencer" <
> scott.spencer at lp.org>,"Rich Tomasso" <rich.tomasso at lp.org>,
> ron.windeler at lp.org
> CC:
>
> Hey Guys.
>
> While I'm certain this should have been done 6 weeks ago, it just wasn't
> and so I'm trying to at least say that everyone on the board had their say.
>
> Out of the following: Atlantic City, Bellevue, New Orleans, Oklahoma City,
> and Phoenix
>
> Can you let me know your single preference.  We have 20 other votes
> tabulated and I'd love to put this to rest on the boards end so that staff
> has a clear direction.
>
> You're welcome to text me at 512-773-3968
>
> Thanks much.
> Kevin Ludlow
>
> PS: Apologies to Mr. Redpath as I do believe you had expressed OKC earlier
> in the thread.  I just didn't want to assume it in case I misread
> something.
>
> --
> ========================================================
> Kevin Ludlow
> 512-773-3968
> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 12:00PM CST.  Only 6 people have not cast a vote.
>
> *Oklahoma City*
>
> Gary Johnson
>
> Marc Feldman
>
> Brett Bittner
>
> Nick Sarwark
>
> Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)
>
> Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)
>
> Wes Benedict
> Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll)
> Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)
>
> Jim Lark
> Sean O'Toole
>
>
>
> *Phoenix*
>
> Kevin Ludlow
>
> Sam Goldstein
>
> Dan Wiener
>
> Alicia Mattson
>
> Tim Hagan
>
> Scott Lieberman
>
>
>
> *New Orleans*
>
> Arvin Vohra
>
>
>
> *Atlantic City*
> Josh Katz
>
> *Bellevue*
> Roland Rimers
>
> *Have not heard from*
>
> Bill Redpath
> Doug Craig
> Ron Windeler
>
> Ed Marsh
>
> Scott Spencer
>
> Rich Tomasso
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Sean O'Toole <sean at kingfieldcapital.com>
> wrote:
>
> I've not weighed in on locations as I will be returning from an extended
> stay in India at roughly the same time as the meeting. If I were to
> attend, I would prefer OK City as it is close to home.
>
> Sean O'Toole
> sean at kingfieldcapital.com
> (816) 739-2737 <%28816%29%20739-2737>
>
>    “It is the job of economists to point out trade-offs; it is the job of
> politicians and planners to deny that trade-offs exist.”
>         -William Easterly, 2006
> On 31 Dec 2015, at 11:29, Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>
> Three more trickled in over the night.  There are now only 7 people who
> have not weighed in (though to be fair, Mr. Redpath had been previously
> clear about supporting OKC; I just didn't feel it was fair to assign him
> that since this was a new poll).
>
> And yes, I would assume OKC is a bit more expensive than Phoenix.  It's
> not
> a major hub by any stretch.
>
> *Oklahoma City*
> Gary Johnson
> Marc Feldman
> Brett Bittner
> Nick Sarwark
> Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)
> Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)
> Wes Benedict
> Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll)
> Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)
> Jim Lark
>
> *Phoenix*
> Kevin Ludlow
> Sam Goldstein
> Dan Wiener
> Alicia Mattson
> Tim Hagan
> Scott Lieberman
>
> *New Orleans*
> Arvin Vohra
>
> *Atlantic City*
> Josh Katz
>
> *Bellevue*
> Roland Rimers
>
> *Have not heard from*
> Bill Redpath
> Doug Craig
> Ron Windeler
> Ed Marsh
> Scott Spencer
> Sean O'Toole
> Rich Tomasso
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Scott L. <scott73 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Mr Riemers:
>
>
>
> I just did a quick check on Southwest Airlines.
>
>
>
> Fares for Feb 19 and 21 from Minneapolis to Oklahoma City are as little
> as $280 ROUND TRIP for a 1pm arrival on Friday,
>
> and a 6pm departure on Sunday.
>
>
>
> I see that Grand Forks to Minneapolis via air is $740 round trip on Delta,
> but I assume you can drive from your home to Minneapolis.
>
>
> Scott Lieberman
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Roland Riemers
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 7:12 AM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have not looked at the prices for the other cities,  but February prices
> for Grand Forks to Oklahoma City runs about $1,200.   Connections are not
> too bad.  At that price I would probably do the 10 hour drive.
>
>
>
> I still think we just need to find a nice central location that is
> interesting to go to,  has the services we want,  has cheap air fares,  and
> just stick with that for all future conventions,  and then keep the LNC
> meetings in DC to keep the staff time and costs down.
>
>
>
> Roland Riemers ND
>
>
>
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