[Lnc-business] Oklahoma petition drive

Thu Jan 28 09:11:40 EST 2016

One should not assume Oklahoma will try to "cheat" us.   Like most governments,  it will mostly look for the fastest and easiest way of doing the job.   At the present time, we are a very minor threat to the Oklahoma Republican Establishment.  The Democrats are their major threat, and they really are no threat at all.  County officials have to go over the petitions for their county, and I can not see them wanting to spend thousands of hours of staff time doing so when they have much more important things to do.  Besides,  the Republican establishment would look very silly in the eyes of their Republican supporters if they deliberately keep us off the ballot.  It just would not be in their best interest to do so.
I think we have done a commendable job in Oklahoma and instead of worrying about "cheating" we need to worry about the real problem of getting worthwhile and strong candidates on this Fall's ballot so that the public will know we are a serious party who are in it for the long haul.
Roland Riemers ND,  Region 6On the ground in Oklahoma City

      From: Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
 To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 10:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Oklahoma petition drive

While we can purchase the list, we can't account for how badly the establishment will cheat us when their verification people go over it 
That is the part that can't be fully quantified till it happens.

Daniel

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> On Jan 27, 2016, at 7:58 PM, Marc Allan Feldman <marc at openivo.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a different question.  I looked at the graph of signatures over
> time and the slope increased dramatically as we approached 38,000 raw
> signatures.  I want to know what we have been doing right.  How much
> was do to the increase in per signature payment?  How much to having
> Paulie coordinate?  What other factors led to this improvement?
> 
>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The question was, what is required to determine if a signature is valid? Are
>> we not able to look people up by their voter ID provided and determine this?
>> It sounds like we are waiting on the OK government to check this for us. I
>> realize that in the end they WILL have to validate them. But again, is there
>> not a way to do this in advance?
>> 
>> And it's frustrating that we can't have serious conversations about money in
>> this group. My point was very clear.  Often times there is not a benefit to
>> paying people the minimum of what they will work for. While it might seem a
>> better figure to start with, often it just means you pay more in the end.
>> Seeing on how we were off by over 100% I merely asked if we had looked at
>> that.
>> 
>> I don't expect anyone will raise much of a brow to us having estimated so
>> poorly because after all, that's how it's always been done. But I thought I
>> would just strike up the conversation piece in hopes that someone might take
>> an interest in improving our situation.
>> 
>> Kevin
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2016, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> As said before:
>>> 
>>> 3. 24,712 valid are required. The best estimates I've heard for validity
>>> are 67%, which comes to 26,830. But valid signatures is not a number that's
>>> knowable with certainty, even with a theoretical unlimited resources. Our
>>> validity checkers may make different judgements than the Oklahoma elections
>>> officials in each county. We want plenty of extra signatures to be safe. The
>>> LNC is not paying for more signatures, but volunteer and local efforts
>>> continue.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Also, some people read hand writing more carefully or less carefully than
>>> others.
>>> See Ohio for a recent surprise issue that happened.
>>> See Maine for another recent surprise.
>>> Ken Moellman gave you lots of comments on the topic separately.
>>> The LNC Ballot Access Committee might like to give even more reasons.
>>> See Alabama for a recent example (Paul Frankel can explain).
>>> 
>>> Kevin, separately you wrote how you thought we should be spending more
>>> than $2.50 per signature. I'm sure the LP Oklahoma can arrange that for any
>>> amounts you donate.
>>> 
>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>>> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>> 
>>> On 1/27/2016 7:19 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>> 
>>> Could somebody explain to me why we do not have the ability to know
>>> precisely how many verified signatures we have?
>>> 
>>> I am absolutely certain that in Texas I have access to all voter data from
>>> the state.  I buy it regularly.  Given we are collecting the persons
>>> VoterID, name, and address, surely we can verify for ourselves.
>>> 
>>> What stops us from doing this and what would it take to fix that?  It
>>> seems awfully strange that we guess and hope for the best.
>>> 
>>> -Kevin
>>> 
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>>> 
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