[Lnc-business] Oklahoma petition drive

[Wes Benedict]

Kevin, the Oklahoma petition form does not have a space for voter ID, 
nor a space for date of birth. See attached example. The elections 
officials told us we were not supposed to write it on the forms even if 
we think we found it in a database.  That's significantly different from 
Texas. When you petition in Texas, most people do not fill out the blank 
for voter I.D., but having a legible date of birth blank (like in Texas 
if I remember correctly) certainly makes it easier to locate voters in a 
voter database.

Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
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On 1/27/2016 8:52 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:
> The question was, what is required to determine if a signature is 
> valid? Are we not able to look people up by their voter ID provided 
> and determine this?  It sounds like we are waiting on the OK 
> government to check this for us. I realize that in the end they WILL 
> have to validate them. But again, is there not a way to do this in 
> advance?
>
> And it's frustrating that we can't have serious conversations about 
> money in this group. My point was very clear.  Often times there is 
> not a benefit to paying people the minimum of what they will work for. 
> While it might seem a better figure to start with, often it just means 
> you pay more in the end. Seeing on how we were off by over 100% I 
> merely asked if we had looked at that.
>
> I don't expect anyone will raise much of a brow to us having estimated 
> so poorly because after all, that's how it's always been done. But I 
> thought I would just strike up the conversation piece in hopes that 
> someone might take an interest in improving our situation.
>
> Kevin
>
> On Wednesday, January 27, 2016, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org 
> <mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org>> wrote:
>
>     As said before:
>
>>     3. 24,712 valid are required. The best estimates I've heard for
>>     validity are 67%, which comes to 26,830. But valid signatures is
>>     not a number that's knowable with certainty, even with a
>>     theoretical unlimited resources. Our validity checkers may make
>>     different judgements than the Oklahoma elections officials in
>>     each county. We want plenty of extra signatures to be safe. The
>>     LNC is not paying for more signatures, but volunteer and local
>>     efforts continue. 
>
>     Also, some people read hand writing more carefully or less
>     carefully than others.
>     See Ohio for a recent surprise issue that happened.
>     See Maine for another recent surprise.
>     Ken Moellman gave you lots of comments on the topic separately.
>     The LNC Ballot Access Committee might like to give even more reasons.
>     See Alabama for a recent example (Paul Frankel can explain).
>
>     Kevin, separately you wrote how you thought we should be spending
>     more than $2.50 per signature. I'm sure the LP Oklahoma can
>     arrange that for any amounts you donate.
>
>     Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>     Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>     1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>     (202) 333-0008 ext. 232,wes.benedict at lp.org
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>     On 1/27/2016 7:19 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>     Could somebody explain to me why we do not have the ability to
>>     know precisely how many verified signatures we have?
>>
>>     I am absolutely certain that in Texas I have access to all voter
>>     data from the state.  I buy it regularly.  Given we are
>>     collecting the persons VoterID, name, and address, surely we can
>>     verify for ourselves.
>>
>>     What stops us from doing this and what would it take to fix
>>     that?  It seems awfully strange that we guess and hope for the best.
>>
>>     -Kevin
>>
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