[Lnc-business] Oklahoma petition drive

[Scott L.]

I am pretty sure I have suggested this before:

 

Would we improve our ROI if we paid petitioners for 50% of the sigs they
turn in at the time of turn in, and then paid them the balance based on
VALID sigs?  We would probably have to pay more per "sig", but we would only
be paying for valid sigs. 

 

Of course, this would increase the workload for the affiliates since they
(or the National LP) would have to associate each valid sig with a
particular petitioner.


I think some states only do a random survey and do not check all off the
sigs if we pass the random survey, so I assume that fact would have to be
taken into account.

  Scott Lieberman

 

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From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of
Kevin Ludlow
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 5:53 PM
To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Oklahoma petition drive

 

The question was, what is required to determine if a signature is valid? Are
we not able to look people up by their voter ID provided and determine this?
It sounds like we are waiting on the OK government to check this for us. I
realize that in the end they WILL have to validate them. But again, is there
not a way to do this in advance?

 

And it's frustrating that we can't have serious conversations about money in
this group. My point was very clear.  Often times there is not a benefit to
paying people the minimum of what they will work for. While it might seem a
better figure to start with, often it just means you pay more in the end.
Seeing on how we were off by over 100% I merely asked if we had looked at
that. 

 

I don't expect anyone will raise much of a brow to us having estimated so
poorly because after all, that's how it's always been done. But I thought I
would just strike up the conversation piece in hopes that someone might take
an interest in improving our situation. 

 

Kevin 

 

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On Wednesday, January 27, 2016, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org> wrote:

As said before:




3. 24,712 valid are required. The best estimates I've heard for validity are
67%, which comes to 26,830. But valid signatures is not a number that's
knowable with certainty, even with a theoretical unlimited resources. Our
validity checkers may make different judgements than the Oklahoma elections
officials in each county. We want plenty of extra signatures to be safe. The
LNC is not paying for more signatures, but volunteer and local efforts
continue. 


Also, some people read hand writing more carefully or less carefully than
others.
See Ohio for a recent surprise issue that happened.
See Maine for another recent surprise.
Ken Moellman gave you lots of comments on the topic separately.
The LNC Ballot Access Committee might like to give even more reasons.
See Alabama for a recent example (Paul Frankel can explain).

Kevin, separately you wrote how you thought we should be spending more than
$2.50 per signature. I'm sure the LP Oklahoma can arrange that for any
amounts you donate.




Wes Benedict, Executive Director
 
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On 1/27/2016 7:19 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

Could somebody explain to me why we do not have the ability to know
precisely how many verified signatures we have?

 

I am absolutely certain that in Texas I have access to all voter data from
the state.  I buy it regularly.  Given we are collecting the persons
VoterID, name, and address, surely we can verify for ourselves.

What stops us from doing this and what would it take to fix that?  It seems
awfully strange that we guess and hope for the best.

-Kevin

 

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