[Lnc-business] LIBERTARIAN PARTY POST-LIFE MEMBERSHIPS

Roland Riemers riemers at yahoo.com
Fri Apr 1 17:53:53 EDT 2016 

I believe any lawyer would tell you the deceased member looses all legal rights and identity, and therefore would have to submit a new membership application.
In the interest of fairness though, I would suggest we allow returning member a 50% discount.
Roland Riemers ND

      From: Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org>
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  size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> From: Lnc-business[mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] OnBehalf Of Daniel Wiener
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Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] LIBERTARIANPARTY POST-LIFE MEMBERSHIPS    Robert, there is a simple solution. I believe that"resurrection" should be treated as the functional equivalent of asuccessful revival from cryogenic storage.  As such the resurrected person(irrespective of his or her potential divinity) would be recategorized as “un-dead” and the Post-Life Membershipwould be suspended until such time as that person/divinity later re-died. The important take-away is that anyone categorized as "undead" wouldhave to purchase a regular LP membership in order to be listed as a sustainingmember, unless that person/divinity was already a life member.    Dan Wiener       On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org>wrote: I know I am speaking out of turn as a staff member on thisimportant issue under consideration, but being it was just Eater I am concernedabout what happens if someone is “resurrected”?    Does a “post-life” member automatically become a current lifemember or do they need to re-join?    I am also not sure our data base can handle that type of membershipso I would request that the LNC vote to assign a committee to look into hiringa professional outside contractor to create a specialized multi dimensionaldatabase that would work in an environment where the past could also be thefuture. Perhaps the re-membership committee can work with the IT committee onthis? Staff would really like clarification especially since we already havehad several folks inquire about this.     Live Free!​​​​   Robert size=2width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1>  From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org]On Behalf Of Joshua Katz
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Subject: Re: [Lnc-business]LIBERTARIAN PARTY POST-LIFE MEMBERSHIPS   While I like thisin principle, I have some concerns in practice.  In only one state ( Illinois ), deceasedpeople frequently vote.  In a few other states, they do so on an irregularbasis, and in many states, only currently live people are permitted tovote.  This may give unfair advantages to some affiliates at the expenseof others.     Furthermore, in mystate of Connecticut ,some towns and Congressional districts have affiliates, while others used tohave affiliates.  The latter affiliates are sometimes said to havedied.  Would post-live members be organized into dead affiliates? Along those lines, what impact would post-life memberships have on the delegateallocation algorithm?     As I said, though,I like the idea, and I prefer to offer some alternatives rather than a blanketdismissal.  I would suggest that some of these problems can be amelioratedby adopting, instead, a plan I call the "it's complicated"plan.  Under this plan, all post-life memberships and pre-lifememberships, which are called "complex memberships," would cost$33,400i and will run from the day of adoption of the plan until the date ofbirth of the post-life member.  I believe we should market this planbeginning today, and running until the 2012 Presidential election.   Joshua Katz 
 Joshua A. Katz Westbrook CTPlanning Commission (L in R seat)   On Fri, Apr 1,2016 at 9:35 AM, Daniel Wiener <wiener at alum.mit.edu> wrote: LIBERTARIAN PARTY POST-LIFE MEMBERSHIPS   EXECUTIVE SUMMARY:  When the Libertarian Party raised the price of LifeMemberships from $1,000 to $1,500 in 2014, there was a one-time spike in thepurchase of Life Memberships to beat the deadline, which resulted in a revenuewindfall of tens of thousands of dollars.  That bump suggested that otherextended-period memberships might be equally profitable.  Accordingly, theRe-Membership Committee was formed to consider out-of-the-box options to theexisting Libertarian Party dues structure.  Our committee was tasked withpresenting its recommendations in time for the 2016 national convention toconsider them.  This is our committee’s report.     The Libertarian Party’s membership structure currently consists ofnon-dues-paying members who have signed the non-initiation-of-force pledge;sustaining members who have paid at least $25 per year; and life members whohave paid $1,500 (or more in some cases, for higher honorary levels).  Buteach life membership ends by definition with that person’s death.  Whathappens afterwards?  In rare cases supporters have left bequests for theLP in their wills, but that is an unpredictable and undependable source ofrevenue.  Furthermore, it provides little direct benefit to the donorafter his or her death, and only hypothetical benefit for the furtherance oflibertarian values which the donor will never actually see.   We propose to solve this problem by offering Post-Life Memberships inthe Libertarian Party, which will be pre-paid but take effect only after aperson’s death, thus filling a currently under-served donor niche. Establishing a much freer society for our nation and indeed the entire world isa life-and-death matter and should be treated that way.  By purchasing aPost-Life Membership, a person’s association with the LP will transcend thatartificial boundary, and will represent an enduring legacy.   SuggestedPost-Life Membership levels would be as follows:      
   - Libertarian Party Angel -- $3,000.  This would be a limited-period post-life membership which would only extend until the year 3,000.
      
   - Libertarian Party Archangel -- $33,400.  This is an unlimited post-life membership, with the amount indexed to the FEC’s maximum annual contribution limit.
      
   - Libertarian Party Heavenly Inhabitor -- $100,200.  This is a specialized post-life membership aimed at Libertarians who are focused on where they will dwell in the after-life.  It represents the maximum annual amount which the FEC says can be contributed to the LP Building Fund, and will also be indexed to that contribution limit.
      
   - Libertarian Party Lucifer -- $1,000,000 and up.  This is an unrestricted post-life membership for Libertarians who refuse to be bound in either life or death by arbitrary rules and standards, and are willing to brave the consequences (whatever they may be) in the cause of freedom.
   All Post-Life Members will be sent electronic copies of the LP News to their last known emailaddresses, and their estates will continue to receive the same emailfundraising pitches as all other LP members.  Their names will be placedon plaques in the LP office and memorialized at the next national convention,and they will continue to pad the Libertarian Party’s membership rolls just asLife Members do.   (As a side note, we believe that libertarians who have been placed incryogenic storage should still be able to qualify for Post-LifeMemberships.  When they are successfully revived, they would then becategorized as “un-dead” and their Post-Life Memberships would be suspendeduntil such time as they later re-died.)   The Re-Membership Committee is optimistic that a test mailing targetedto older sustaining members and especially to current Life Members couldproduce exceptionally lucrative results.  We urge that this be done asrapidly as possible, since time is of the essence before more of thisdemographic passes away.   This report is hereby submitted on behalf of the Re-MembershipCommittee this day of April 1, 2016 by Daniel Wiener, Chair, who wishes toexpress his appreciation to the rest of the Committee, especially Aaron Starr,Alicia Mattson, and David Nolan (deceased).      Daniel Wiener, Re-Membership Chair   P.S.  While we had originally intended to include Pre-Life LPmemberships with the Post-Life proposals, our committee has been unable tocomplete that portion by the April 1st target date.  Severalcomplex issues remain to be resolved, such as whether the Pre-Life membershipswould apply prior to conception between the sperm and the egg, or prior toactual birth?  Also, in the case of a miscarriage, would the parents beentitled to a full refund or a pro-rata refund based on the fraction of ninemonths?  And how would unexpected multiple births be handled?  Forexample, are twins each entitled to half of a Pre-Life membership, or mustparents buy an extra one?  These represent difficult philosophicalquestions upon which libertarians can reasonably disagree.     
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