[Lnc-business] Fw: Re: [GrassrootsLibertarians] Re: [lpradicals] Re: [Lnc-votes] Fwd: Remaining Members of Judicial Committee Fill Vacancies

Caryn Ann Harlos carynannharlos at gmail.com
Tue Jun 7 18:01:40 EDT 2016 

Top states *already* get more weight by virture of having more delegate
spots.


On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Isn't that the same as each region having 1 vote?  I assume all 7 votes
> would be cast for the same candidate...?
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 4:48 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> No, that would give very heavy weight to the top states and smaller
>> states would have no say
>> in the matter.  Perhaps voting by Region with each region getting 7 votes.
>>
>>
>> Sam Goldstein
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> Member at Large
>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> By national membership allocations?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Sam Goldstein <
>>> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ken,
>>>>
>>>> How would you implement having state delegations elect JC members?  One
>>>> state one vote?
>>>>
>>>> One state seven votes?
>>>>
>>>> Sam
>>>>
>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>> Member at Large
>>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A bylaw change will be necessary, and I hope that the Bylaws Committee
>>>>> addresses this in 2018. We'll also need a motion to suspend the rules to
>>>>> make it take effect immediately rather than at the 2020 convention. My
>>>>> preferred solution is to dump Approval Voting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Further, I'd like to submit for consideration the idea of having the
>>>>> JC elected by state delegations rather than by individual delegates.  This
>>>>> would create a scenario where different interests are being protected than
>>>>> those already protected by the popularly-elected LNC.  I'm open to other
>>>>> ideas, but I make this suggestion because I am a strong believer in making
>>>>> sure that various levels are representing different interests. (Just like
>>>>> the Region Reps also represent different interests than the At-Large Reps).
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-06-06 13:42, sfdreamer at earthlink.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Forwarding comments from a member on this issue...
>>>>>
>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>>                           ((( starchild )))
>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>                   RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>>>                          (415) 625-FREE
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S. - On an unrelated matter, another member tells me that he is
>>>>> having difficulty reading my emails to the LNC list, that they are coming
>>>>> through as strange attachments. Is anyone else subscribed on a read-only
>>>>> basis having this trouble with my emails or anyone else's? If you are,
>>>>> please let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Forwarded Message-----
>>>>> From: "Carol Moore 4liberty at carolmoore.net [GrassrootsLibertarians]"
>>>>> Sent: Jun 3, 2016 3:27 PM
>>>>> To: GrassrootsLibertarians at yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Cc: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [GrassrootsLibertarians] Re: [lpradicals] Re: [Lnc-votes]
>>>>> [Lnc-business] Fwd: Remaining Members of Judicial Committee Fill Vacancies
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously the bylaws need changing.  If there should be some important
>>>>> decision where the judiciary committee must make an important decision, any
>>>>> member might challenge it on the basis of its being vs. the bylaws.
>>>>> Including a person who might need a judiciary committee spanking.
>>>>>
>>>>> I feel like doing a straw poll of those names and seeing if there is
>>>>> someone most people actively disapprove of.   I know I think one is great
>>>>> and another is questionable. So wonder what others would think.
>>>>>
>>>>> It might also help to encourage LNC to have a deadline for running for
>>>>> office. Not a deadline for being nominated, but a deadline for being listed
>>>>> in a handout sheet, preferably something that goes in the delegate package,
>>>>> with a short bio. This would make candidates think more seriously about
>>>>> running in advance and give delegates who chose to study the list a chance
>>>>> to look at qualifications. It wouldn't just be based on a chance meeting
>>>>> with a prospective member, a recommendation from a seat mate, or what name
>>>>> sounded coolest to you - or whatever.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/3/2016 2:37 PM, Letitia Pepper letitiapepper at yahoo.com
>>>>> [GrassrootsLibertarians] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I support Starchild's analysis of this problem.  All efforts must be
>>>>> made to prevent disenfranchising members.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:20 AM, sfdreamer at earthlink.net [lpradicals] <
>>>>> lpradicals at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This approach of committees filling their own vacancies without regard
>>>>> to convention delegates' preferences on the grounds that only a minority of
>>>>> candidates for those vacancies received the affirmative approval of a
>>>>> majority of delegates seems ill-advised to me. Failing to receive such
>>>>> approval is clearly not the same thing as receiving the delegates' active
>>>>> *disapproval*. Nor is there any guarantee that subsequently appointed
>>>>> members of a committee would have received majority approval at convention.
>>>>> It is possible that one or more individuals appointed in this case would
>>>>> have received a lower approval percentage than the four next highest
>>>>> vote-getters at the convention had they chosen to actively run for seats on
>>>>> the Judicial Committee.
>>>>>
>>>>> *We seem to have a situation in which a majority of the candidates for
>>>>> office receiving the most votes at convention are routinely not meeting the
>>>>> 50% threshold required by "approval voting". Thus if the method employed by
>>>>> the remaining members of the Judicial Committee in proposing to fill the
>>>>> vacancies were to become standard practice, the result could be a
>>>>> significant disenfranchisement our membership*. it raises the
>>>>> prospect that an individual could have a better chance of getting onto a
>>>>> committee by privately expressing his or her interest in serving to the
>>>>> existing committee members, than by actually running for the position and
>>>>> seeking the approval of convention delegates. I do not think LP members
>>>>> anticipated or desired such an outcome when they were convinced to adopt
>>>>> approval voting.
>>>>>
>>>>> I therefore urge the members of the Judicial Committee to reconsider
>>>>> this decision, and appoint the next four highest vote-getters to the four
>>>>> seats in question, as the LNC did in filling the majority of its vacancies
>>>>> which were similarly unfilled as a result of m Indeed ost of the delegates'
>>>>> choices not receiving more than 50% of the vote. My recommendation is not
>>>>> based on any political favoritism toward those individuals – with whose
>>>>> identities I am in any case not acquainted – or any animus toward Michael
>>>>> Badnarik, John Buttrick, Bill Hall, and Rob Latham, all of whom strike me
>>>>> as sound and well-qualified choices. I write strictly from the point of
>>>>> view of upholding bottom-up, grassroots governance in the Libertarian Party.
>>>>>
>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>>                             ((( starchild )))
>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>                           (415) 625-FREE
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: lnc-votes at hq.lp.org
>>>>> Sent: Jun 3, 2016 8:41 AM
>>>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] Fwd: Remaining Members of
>>>>> Judicial Committee Fill Vacancies
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been asked by a member in my region to inquire:
>>>>>
>>>>> Can someone verify eligibility for the three elected and 4 appointed
>>>>> members? Specifically, can the " All Judicial Committee members shall have
>>>>> been Party members at least four years at the time of their selection."
>>>>> portion?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Brett C. Bittner
>>>>>
>>>>> brett at brettbittner.com
>>>>> 404.492.6524
>>>>>
>>>>> "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much
>>>>> liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 12:20 AM, Alicia Mattson <secretary at lp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Forwarding a message by request.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Gary Johnson <sedition at aol.com>
>>>>>> Date: Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 9:03 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Remaining Members of Judicial Committee Fill Vacancies
>>>>>> To: secretary at lp.org, AliciaDearn at bellatrixlaw.com, chuck at moulton.org,
>>>>>> scholar at constitutionpreservation.org, jabuttrick at gmail.com,
>>>>>> whall at wnj.com, rob at roblatham.pro
>>>>>> Cc: Rebecca Sink-Burris <rebecca.sinkburris at gmail.com>, Roger Roots <
>>>>>> rogerroots at msn.com>, Michael Dixon <dixonconsultinginc at gmail.com>, M
>>>>>> Carling <mcarling at gmail.com>, John Bowers <bojo3191 at aol.com>,
>>>>>> Michael Kielsky <Michael at krazlaw.com>, mikeljane <mikeljane at gmail.com>,
>>>>>> steven r Linnabary <linnabary51 at gmail.com>, Robert Jim Fulner <
>>>>>> jim.fulner at member.fsf.org>, "Christopher R. Maden" <crism at maden.org>,
>>>>>> Jeffrey Mortenson <jwmort at yahoo.com>, Thomas Robert Stevens <
>>>>>> drtomstevens at aol.com>, Tom Lippman <tnlippman at juno.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Alicia Mattson,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please post this message online on the LNC Business list:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Judicial Committee is supposed to have seven members. Only three
>>>>>> received a majority in the approval voting process at the 2016 national
>>>>>> convention.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The three members of the Judicial Committee elected by the delegates,
>>>>>> Alicia Dearn, Gary Johnson of Texas, and Chuck Moulton, have communicated
>>>>>> by email.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have ruled unanimously that, as the "remaining members" of the
>>>>>> committee, we have the authority to fill vacancies, although we are less
>>>>>> than the quorum of five specified in the bylaws.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have decided informally to reject, by 1 to 2, the idea of filling
>>>>>> the vacancies with the next four vote getters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have decided unanimously to fill the vacancies with four
>>>>>> individuals who were not nominated at the convention and therefore were not
>>>>>> "disapproved" of by a majority of the delegates in the approval voting
>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have voted unanimously by email ballot to fill the vacancies with
>>>>>> Michael Badnarik, John Buttrick, Bill Hall, and Rob Latham.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alicia Dearn
>>>>>> Gary Johnson
>>>>>> Chuck Moulton
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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