[Lnc-business] Fw: Re: [GrassrootsLibertarians] Re: [lpradicals] Re: [Lnc-votes] Fwd: Remaining Members of Judicial Committee Fill Vacancies

Caryn Ann Harlos carynannharlos at gmail.com
Tue Jun 7 18:04:12 EDT 2016 

Whitney... off topic.... I sent you FB friend request... would like to
discuss if you would like to roomshare to cut down our expenses for LNC
meetings.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Top states *already* get more weight by virture of having more delegate
> spots.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Isn't that the same as each region having 1 vote?  I assume all 7 votes
>> would be cast for the same candidate...?
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 4:48 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> No, that would give very heavy weight to the top states and smaller
>>> states would have no say
>>> in the matter.  Perhaps voting by Region with each region getting 7
>>> votes.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> Member at Large
>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> By national membership allocations?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Sam Goldstein <
>>>> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ken,
>>>>>
>>>>> How would you implement having state delegations elect JC members?
>>>>> One state one vote?
>>>>>
>>>>> One state seven votes?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sam
>>>>>
>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> Member at Large
>>>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A bylaw change will be necessary, and I hope that the Bylaws
>>>>>> Committee addresses this in 2018. We'll also need a motion to suspend the
>>>>>> rules to make it take effect immediately rather than at the 2020
>>>>>> convention. My preferred solution is to dump Approval Voting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Further, I'd like to submit for consideration the idea of having the
>>>>>> JC elected by state delegations rather than by individual delegates.  This
>>>>>> would create a scenario where different interests are being protected than
>>>>>> those already protected by the popularly-elected LNC.  I'm open to other
>>>>>> ideas, but I make this suggestion because I am a strong believer in making
>>>>>> sure that various levels are representing different interests. (Just like
>>>>>> the Region Reps also represent different interests than the At-Large Reps).
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2016-06-06 13:42, sfdreamer at earthlink.net wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Forwarding comments from a member on this issue...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>>>                           ((( starchild )))
>>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>                   RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>>>>                          (415) 625-FREE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P.S. - On an unrelated matter, another member tells me that he is
>>>>>> having difficulty reading my emails to the LNC list, that they are coming
>>>>>> through as strange attachments. Is anyone else subscribed on a read-only
>>>>>> basis having this trouble with my emails or anyone else's? If you are,
>>>>>> please let me know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Forwarded Message-----
>>>>>> From: "Carol Moore 4liberty at carolmoore.net [GrassrootsLibertarians]"
>>>>>> Sent: Jun 3, 2016 3:27 PM
>>>>>> To: GrassrootsLibertarians at yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> Cc: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [GrassrootsLibertarians] Re: [lpradicals] Re:
>>>>>> [Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] Fwd: Remaining Members of Judicial Committee
>>>>>> Fill Vacancies
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obviously the bylaws need changing.  If there should be some
>>>>>> important decision where the judiciary committee must make an important
>>>>>> decision, any member might challenge it on the basis of its being vs. the
>>>>>> bylaws. Including a person who might need a judiciary committee spanking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I feel like doing a straw poll of those names and seeing if there is
>>>>>> someone most people actively disapprove of.   I know I think one is great
>>>>>> and another is questionable. So wonder what others would think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It might also help to encourage LNC to have a deadline for running
>>>>>> for office. Not a deadline for being nominated, but a deadline for being
>>>>>> listed in a handout sheet, preferably something that goes in the delegate
>>>>>> package, with a short bio. This would make candidates think more seriously
>>>>>> about running in advance and give delegates who chose to study the list a
>>>>>> chance to look at qualifications. It wouldn't just be based on a chance
>>>>>> meeting with a prospective member, a recommendation from a seat mate, or
>>>>>> what name sounded coolest to you - or whatever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/3/2016 2:37 PM, Letitia Pepper letitiapepper at yahoo.com
>>>>>> [GrassrootsLibertarians] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I support Starchild's analysis of this problem.  All efforts must be
>>>>>> made to prevent disenfranchising members.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:20 AM, sfdreamer at earthlink.net [lpradicals] <
>>>>>> lpradicals at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This approach of committees filling their own vacancies without
>>>>>> regard to convention delegates' preferences on the grounds that only a
>>>>>> minority of candidates for those vacancies received the affirmative
>>>>>> approval of a majority of delegates seems ill-advised to me. Failing to
>>>>>> receive such approval is clearly not the same thing as receiving the
>>>>>> delegates' active *disapproval*. Nor is there any guarantee that
>>>>>> subsequently appointed members of a committee would have received majority
>>>>>> approval at convention. It is possible that one or more individuals
>>>>>> appointed in this case would have received a lower approval percentage than
>>>>>> the four next highest vote-getters at the convention had they chosen to
>>>>>> actively run for seats on the Judicial Committee.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *We seem to have a situation in which a majority of the candidates
>>>>>> for office receiving the most votes at convention are routinely not meeting
>>>>>> the 50% threshold required by "approval voting". Thus if the method
>>>>>> employed by the remaining members of the Judicial Committee in proposing to
>>>>>> fill the vacancies were to become standard practice, the result could be a
>>>>>> significant disenfranchisement our membership*. it raises the
>>>>>> prospect that an individual could have a better chance of getting onto a
>>>>>> committee by privately expressing his or her interest in serving to the
>>>>>> existing committee members, than by actually running for the position and
>>>>>> seeking the approval of convention delegates. I do not think LP members
>>>>>> anticipated or desired such an outcome when they were convinced to adopt
>>>>>> approval voting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I therefore urge the members of the Judicial Committee to reconsider
>>>>>> this decision, and appoint the next four highest vote-getters to the four
>>>>>> seats in question, as the LNC did in filling the majority of its vacancies
>>>>>> which were similarly unfilled as a result of m Indeed ost of the delegates'
>>>>>> choices not receiving more than 50% of the vote. My recommendation is not
>>>>>> based on any political favoritism toward those individuals – with whose
>>>>>> identities I am in any case not acquainted – or any animus toward Michael
>>>>>> Badnarik, John Buttrick, Bill Hall, and Rob Latham, all of whom strike me
>>>>>> as sound and well-qualified choices. I write strictly from the point of
>>>>>> view of upholding bottom-up, grassroots governance in the Libertarian Party.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>>>                             ((( starchild )))
>>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>                           (415) 625-FREE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: lnc-votes at hq.lp.org
>>>>>> Sent: Jun 3, 2016 8:41 AM
>>>>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] Fwd: Remaining Members of
>>>>>> Judicial Committee Fill Vacancies
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been asked by a member in my region to inquire:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can someone verify eligibility for the three elected and 4 appointed
>>>>>> members? Specifically, can the " All Judicial Committee members shall have
>>>>>> been Party members at least four years at the time of their selection."
>>>>>> portion?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brett C. Bittner
>>>>>>
>>>>>> brett at brettbittner.com
>>>>>> 404.492.6524
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much
>>>>>> liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 12:20 AM, Alicia Mattson <secretary at lp.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Forwarding a message by request.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>> From: Gary Johnson <sedition at aol.com>
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 9:03 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Remaining Members of Judicial Committee Fill Vacancies
>>>>>>> To: secretary at lp.org, AliciaDearn at bellatrixlaw.com,
>>>>>>> chuck at moulton.org, scholar at constitutionpreservation.org,
>>>>>>> jabuttrick at gmail.com, whall at wnj.com, rob at roblatham.pro
>>>>>>> Cc: Rebecca Sink-Burris <rebecca.sinkburris at gmail.com>, Roger Roots
>>>>>>> <rogerroots at msn.com>, Michael Dixon <dixonconsultinginc at gmail.com>,
>>>>>>> M Carling <mcarling at gmail.com>, John Bowers <bojo3191 at aol.com>,
>>>>>>> Michael Kielsky <Michael at krazlaw.com>, mikeljane <
>>>>>>> mikeljane at gmail.com>, steven r Linnabary <linnabary51 at gmail.com>,
>>>>>>> Robert Jim Fulner <jim.fulner at member.fsf.org>, "Christopher R.
>>>>>>> Maden" <crism at maden.org>, Jeffrey Mortenson <jwmort at yahoo.com>,
>>>>>>> Thomas Robert Stevens <drtomstevens at aol.com>, Tom Lippman <
>>>>>>> tnlippman at juno.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Alicia Mattson,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please post this message online on the LNC Business list:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Judicial Committee is supposed to have seven members. Only three
>>>>>>> received a majority in the approval voting process at the 2016 national
>>>>>>> convention.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The three members of the Judicial Committee elected by the
>>>>>>> delegates, Alicia Dearn, Gary Johnson of Texas, and Chuck Moulton, have
>>>>>>> communicated by email.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have ruled unanimously that, as the "remaining members" of the
>>>>>>> committee, we have the authority to fill vacancies, although we are less
>>>>>>> than the quorum of five specified in the bylaws.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have decided informally to reject, by 1 to 2, the idea of filling
>>>>>>> the vacancies with the next four vote getters.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have decided unanimously to fill the vacancies with four
>>>>>>> individuals who were not nominated at the convention and therefore were not
>>>>>>> "disapproved" of by a majority of the delegates in the approval voting
>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have voted unanimously by email ballot to fill the vacancies with
>>>>>>> Michael Badnarik, John Buttrick, Bill Hall, and Rob Latham.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alicia Dearn
>>>>>>> Gary Johnson
>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
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>>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
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