[Lnc-business] Not all of the LNC emails are appearing on the LNC reflector list

[Starchild]

	I strongly share Caryn's concern about this issue. Having multiple LNC lists, whether they are used or not, seems to be generating confusion and interfering with transparency. It is often not clear what is going on. 

	For instance, I received Robert's message below twice – apparently because he copied it to both lnc-business at lp.org and lnc-business at hq.lp.org. I do not understand the difference between those two lists, or why both of them exist. Do they both forward to the public reflector list, or does only one of them get forwarded? (I've copied both lists on this email, so perhaps someone reading on the reflector list can say whether you receive the message once or twice).

	This kind of confusing system seems entirely unnecessary, and if Caryn is right about some messages not showing up publicly, it is actively harmful – if there's something I'm missing, Robert or someone please explain in full detail. As things stand, I believe we should adopt one of the two following approaches:

(1) We maintain one and only one list for communication among LNC members, and scrap all other non-public lists entirely. Then it should be a simple matter to ensure that those other lists are not inadvertently used and that everything which appears on the sole LNC list gets forwarded to the public reflector list. 

(2) We have everyone (LNC members and non-LNC members) subscribed to the same list, but with only LNC members having posting privileges. Then there would never be any question of whether all the messages on our list are properly making it to the public list, since they would not need to be forwarded at all.

	I favor option #2 as being the best, if it is technically feasible, but option #1 could also go a long way toward resolving these issues. 

	Can we get one of these approaches implemented ASAP without passing a formal motion about it?

Love & Liberty,

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On Jun 13, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Robert Kraus wrote:

> As Alicia pointed out the other day - please note there is only one list lnc-business at lp.org for LNC Business thanks!
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> Robert
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> From: Caryn Ann Harlos [mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 3:48 PM
> To: Robert Kraus
> Cc: Wes Benedict; lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> Subject: Re: Not all of the LNC emails are appearing on the LNC reflector list
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> Okay someone on FB might have figured it out.  Are there "two" lists"  LNC-Votes and LNC-Business and the google one only is if you reply to LNC-Votes? 
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> I can show you messages of mine which are days old which **do not** appear on the google list.
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> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
> The list on lp.org is complete.  The list on the google groups (which is what members are following) is not.  There are emails that appear in one list and not the other.  This is an issue.
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> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org> wrote:
> I am not sure what list you are referring to however everything posted to LNC-Business is available here: http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/date.html
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> And also via Google Group here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lncvotes
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> Live Free!​​​​
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> Robert
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> Robert S. Kraus - Dir of Operations
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> From: Caryn Ann Harlos [mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 3:34 PM
> To: Robert Kraus; Wes Benedict; lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> Subject: Not all of the LNC emails are appearing on the LNC reflector list
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> There are large bit of the discussion on: 
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> "Fwd: Remaining Members of Judicial Committee Fill Vacancies"  that are missing from the LNC reflector.  I have my email copy of the thread and it is not complete on the reflector.
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> If the members are going to be viewing this, it needs to be complete.
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