[Lnc-business] Not all of the LNC emails are appearing on the LNC reflector list

Mon Jun 13 17:07:27 EDT 2016

And yes, why the two emails?

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thank you Starchild....
>
> I am not trying to be a pain in Robert's behind, but this isn't something
> we can just go "oh well" about.  If I am wrong and missing something, I
> need to be shown, but those in Region 1 who elected me will be judging me,
> and the rest of the LNC based on these exchanges and if they are not
> complete, it is actively harmful.  I became aware of this through a FB
> discussion in which a member was complaining that a point had not been made
> in a discussion.  Yet, I had made that very point, and I realized this
> member never saw my response.  This is not acceptable.
>
> Halfway transparent or incomplete isn't transparent, and it isn't serving
> our members, and it isn't fair to us.
>
> Now maybe I screwed up and am missing it, but as an example, the opening
> email in this chain....*does not appear in the google list.*  It appears
> later when Robert responded to me, but if no one responded, this would
> never have appeared.
>
> Is this an issue just with my email and with my posts?  In any event, this
> needs to be resolved.
>
> As another example of missing responses, I responded twice to Brett's
> email about the Weeks situation.  You all will have received those
> responses.  *They do not appear on the Google lists.  *Region 1 members
> (and all others) deserve to have an accurate way to track.  If only the one
> at lp.org can or will be complete, that should be the only one that
> exists.  Having a partial or incomplete list is the worst of all possible
> worlds.
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I strongly share Caryn's concern about this issue. Having multiple LNC
>> lists, whether they are used or not, seems to be generating confusion and
>> interfering with transparency. It is often not clear what is going on.
>>
>> For instance, I received Robert's message below *twice* – apparently
>> because he copied it to both *lnc-business at lp.org <lnc-business at lp.org>*
>> and *lnc-business at hq.lp.org <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>*. I do not
>> understand the difference between those two lists, or why both of them
>> exist. Do they both forward to the public reflector list, or does only one
>> of them get forwarded? (I've copied both lists on this email, so perhaps
>> someone reading on the reflector list can say whether you receive the
>> message once or twice).
>>
>> This kind of confusing system seems entirely unnecessary, and if Caryn is
>> right about some messages not showing up publicly, it is actively
>> *harmful* – if there's something I'm missing, Robert or someone please
>> explain in full detail. As things stand, I believe we should adopt one of
>> the two following approaches:
>>
>> (1) We maintain one and only one list for communication among LNC
>> members, and scrap all other non-public lists entirely. Then it should be a
>> simple matter to ensure that those other lists are not inadvertently used
>> and that everything which appears on the sole LNC list gets forwarded to
>> the public reflector list.
>>
>> (2) We have everyone (LNC members and non-LNC members) subscribed to the
>> *same* list, but with only LNC members having posting privileges. Then
>> there would never be any question of whether all the messages on our list
>> are properly making it to the public list, since they would not need to be
>> forwarded at all.
>>
>> I favor option #2 as being the best, if it is technically feasible, but
>> option #1 could also go a long way toward resolving these issues.
>>
>> Can we get one of these approaches implemented ASAP without passing a
>> formal motion about it?
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>>
>>                                            ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee (2016-2018)
>>                               RealReform at earthlink.net
>>                                        (415) 625-FREE
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Robert Kraus wrote:
>>
>> As Alicia pointed out the other day - please note there is only one list
>> lnc-business at lp.org for LNC Business thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> Live Free!
>>
>> *Robert*
>>
>> Robert S. Kraus - Dir of Operations
>> Operations at LP.org
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> Ph: 202.333.0008 x 231
>>
>> Join today: https://www.lp.org/membership
>> LP FB Page: https://www.facebook.com/libertarians
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>> *From:* Caryn Ann Harlos [mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2016 3:48 PM
>> *To:* Robert Kraus
>> *Cc:* Wes Benedict; lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> *Subject:* Re: Not all of the LNC emails are appearing on the LNC
>> reflector list
>>
>>
>>
>> Okay someone on FB might have figured it out.  Are there "two" lists"
>>  LNC-Votes and LNC-Business and the google one only is if you reply to
>> LNC-Votes?
>>
>>
>>
>> I can show you messages of mine which are days old which **do not**
>> appear on the google list.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The list on lp.org is complete.  The list on the google groups (which is
>> what members are following) is not.  There are emails that appear in one
>> list and not the other.  This is an issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I am not sure what list you are referring to however everything posted to
>> LNC-Business is available here:
>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/date.html
>>
>>
>>
>> And also via Google Group here:
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lncvotes
>>
>>
>>
>> Live Free!
>>
>> *Robert*
>>
>> Robert S. Kraus - Dir of Operations
>> Operations at LP.org
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> Ph: 202.333.0008 x 231 <202.333.0008%20x%20231>
>>
>> Join today: https://www.lp.org/membership
>> LP FB Page: https://www.facebook.com/libertarians
>>
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>>
>> *From:* Caryn Ann Harlos [mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2016 3:34 PM
>> *To:* Robert Kraus; Wes Benedict; lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> *Subject:* Not all of the LNC emails are appearing on the LNC reflector
>> list
>>
>>
>>
>> There are large bit of the discussion on:
>>
>>
>>
>> "Fwd: Remaining Members of Judicial Committee Fill Vacancies"  that are
>> missing from the LNC reflector.  I have my email copy of the thread and it
>> is not complete on the reflector.
>>
>>
>>
>> If the members are going to be viewing this, it needs to be complete.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> In Liberty,
>>
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>
>> Region 1 Representative
>>
>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>>
>> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> In Liberty,
>>
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>
>> Region 1 Representative
>>
>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>>
>> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> In Liberty,
>>
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>
>> Region 1 Representative
>>
>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>>
>> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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>
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative
> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
>

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In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative
(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
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