[Lnc-business] Not all of the LNC emails are appearing on the LNC reflector list

Mon Jun 13 17:09:50 EDT 2016

==As Alicia pointed out the other day - please note there is only one list
lnc-business at lp.org for LNC Business thanks!===

This is contrary to the "welcome" email I got (see attached).  It says to
post things to lnc-business at hq.lp.org

Which one is it?  What is the difference?

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:

> And yes, why the two emails?
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Starchild....
>>
>> I am not trying to be a pain in Robert's behind, but this isn't something
>> we can just go "oh well" about.  If I am wrong and missing something, I
>> need to be shown, but those in Region 1 who elected me will be judging me,
>> and the rest of the LNC based on these exchanges and if they are not
>> complete, it is actively harmful.  I became aware of this through a FB
>> discussion in which a member was complaining that a point had not been made
>> in a discussion.  Yet, I had made that very point, and I realized this
>> member never saw my response.  This is not acceptable.
>>
>> Halfway transparent or incomplete isn't transparent, and it isn't serving
>> our members, and it isn't fair to us.
>>
>> Now maybe I screwed up and am missing it, but as an example, the opening
>> email in this chain....*does not appear in the google list.*  It appears
>> later when Robert responded to me, but if no one responded, this would
>> never have appeared.
>>
>> Is this an issue just with my email and with my posts?  In any event,
>> this needs to be resolved.
>>
>> As another example of missing responses, I responded twice to Brett's
>> email about the Weeks situation.  You all will have received those
>> responses.  *They do not appear on the Google lists.  *Region 1 members
>> (and all others) deserve to have an accurate way to track.  If only the one
>> at lp.org can or will be complete, that should be the only one that
>> exists.  Having a partial or incomplete list is the worst of all possible
>> worlds.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I strongly share Caryn's concern about this issue. Having multiple LNC
>>> lists, whether they are used or not, seems to be generating confusion and
>>> interfering with transparency. It is often not clear what is going on.
>>>
>>> For instance, I received Robert's message below *twice* – apparently
>>> because he copied it to both *lnc-business at lp.org <lnc-business at lp.org>*
>>> and *lnc-business at hq.lp.org <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>*. I do not
>>> understand the difference between those two lists, or why both of them
>>> exist. Do they both forward to the public reflector list, or does only one
>>> of them get forwarded? (I've copied both lists on this email, so perhaps
>>> someone reading on the reflector list can say whether you receive the
>>> message once or twice).
>>>
>>> This kind of confusing system seems entirely unnecessary, and if Caryn
>>> is right about some messages not showing up publicly, it is actively
>>> *harmful* – if there's something I'm missing, Robert or someone please
>>> explain in full detail. As things stand, I believe we should adopt one of
>>> the two following approaches:
>>>
>>> (1) We maintain one and only one list for communication among LNC
>>> members, and scrap all other non-public lists entirely. Then it should be a
>>> simple matter to ensure that those other lists are not inadvertently used
>>> and that everything which appears on the sole LNC list gets forwarded to
>>> the public reflector list.
>>>
>>> (2) We have everyone (LNC members and non-LNC members) subscribed to the
>>> *same* list, but with only LNC members having posting privileges. Then
>>> there would never be any question of whether all the messages on our list
>>> are properly making it to the public list, since they would not need to be
>>> forwarded at all.
>>>
>>> I favor option #2 as being the best, if it is technically feasible, but
>>> option #1 could also go a long way toward resolving these issues.
>>>
>>> Can we get one of these approaches implemented ASAP without passing a
>>> formal motion about it?
>>>
>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>
>>>                                            ((( starchild )))
>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee (2016-2018)
>>>                               RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>                                        (415) 625-FREE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 13, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Robert Kraus wrote:
>>>
>>> As Alicia pointed out the other day - please note there is only one list
>>> lnc-business at lp.org for LNC Business thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Live Free!
>>>
>>> *Robert*
>>>
>>> Robert S. Kraus - Dir of Operations
>>> Operations at LP.org
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> Ph: 202.333.0008 x 231
>>>
>>> Join today: https://www.lp.org/membership
>>> LP FB Page: https://www.facebook.com/libertarians
>>> ------------------------------
>>> size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1>
>>>
>>> *From:* Caryn Ann Harlos [mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2016 3:48 PM
>>> *To:* Robert Kraus
>>> *Cc:* Wes Benedict; lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: Not all of the LNC emails are appearing on the LNC
>>> reflector list
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Okay someone on FB might have figured it out.  Are there "two" lists"
>>>  LNC-Votes and LNC-Business and the google one only is if you reply to
>>> LNC-Votes?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I can show you messages of mine which are days old which **do not**
>>> appear on the google list.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The list on lp.org is complete.  The list on the google groups (which
>>> is what members are following) is not.  There are emails that appear in one
>>> list and not the other.  This is an issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am not sure what list you are referring to however everything posted
>>> to LNC-Business is available here:
>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/date.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And also via Google Group here:
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lncvotes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Live Free!
>>>
>>> *Robert*
>>>
>>> Robert S. Kraus - Dir of Operations
>>> Operations at LP.org
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> Ph: 202.333.0008 x 231 <202.333.0008%20x%20231>
>>>
>>> Join today: https://www.lp.org/membership
>>> LP FB Page: https://www.facebook.com/libertarians
>>>
>>> size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1>
>>>
>>> *From:* Caryn Ann Harlos [mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2016 3:34 PM
>>> *To:* Robert Kraus; Wes Benedict; lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> *Subject:* Not all of the LNC emails are appearing on the LNC reflector
>>> list
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There are large bit of the discussion on:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Fwd: Remaining Members of Judicial Committee Fill Vacancies"  that are
>>> missing from the LNC reflector.  I have my email copy of the thread and it
>>> is not complete on the reflector.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If the members are going to be viewing this, it needs to be complete.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> In Liberty,
>>>
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>
>>> Region 1 Representative
>>>
>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>> Washington)
>>>
>>> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> In Liberty,
>>>
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>
>>> Region 1 Representative
>>>
>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>> Washington)
>>>
>>> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> In Liberty,
>>>
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>
>>> Region 1 Representative
>>>
>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>> Washington)
>>>
>>> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative
>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>>
>
>
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative
> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
>

-- 
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative
(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
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