[Lnc-business] Newbie question - Membership Report

Sat Aug 6 10:06:20 EDT 2016

Sorry meant I would be a BSM until 07/01/2016 not 15.

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From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Robert Kraus
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 10:05 AM
To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Newbie question - Membership Report

Simple explanation: BSM (Sustaining Membership) is per the bylaws which basically says you are a sustaining member if you contribute a total of $25 within a year and agree to the NAP

Example – I agree with the NAP and paid $25 for anything on 07/01/2015 thus I was a “BSM” until 07/01/2015 (I am no longer a “BSM” in this example)

The “Active” (doesn’t matter Mem or Sub) part is dictated by the policy manual and relates to “membership benefits” like LP News. For example I paid $25 on 07/01/15 to renew my “active membership” but my benefits did not expire until 08/30/15. In other words in this example I renewed early. According to our rules my “expire” date for “membership benefits” would be extended by one year. Thus my new “active membership expire date” is 08/30/16. So I am “active” until the end of this month even though I am no longer a BSM. 

So if I come from the state of PR and am the only “active” member – my state will show zero (0) for BSM and one (1) for MEM.

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From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Caryn Ann Harlos
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 8:47 AM
To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Newbie question - Membership Report

First line should say on "page 2" of the report.

On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 6:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:

Joshua, let me explain.

There are five columns on page of the report.  

1.  Total "MEM" - this is the total number of constituents in state that have signed the pledge - whether they have paid dues or not.  It includes inactive folks who are not reflected on this chart.

2.   Active "MEM"- Current Dues Payer or Lifetime Donor with a signed pledge

3.  Active "SUB" - Current due payer or lifetime donors who have not signed the Pledge

4.  Total Active - that is just adding numbers 2 and numbers 3.

5. Total BSM- By-Law Definition of "Sustaining Member" and number used for delegate count with a parenthetical comment of Art 5-3 that a Sustaining member is any Party member who has given at least $25 to the party in the prior twelve months, or who is a life member.  By that definition, a Pledge signer.

What is the different between Numbers 2 and Number 5?  Dues payers? Check.  Lifetime donors?  Check.  Signed Pledge?  Check.  That is true for both of those categories, so what is the difference?

And the different between those numbers in the states is only a few people, and in some states (such as Hawaii, Nebraska, Rhode Island, South Carolina), they are exactly the same.

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Caryn Ann Harlos

Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org

Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado <http://www.lpcolorado.org/> 

Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>  Radical Caucus

On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 6:04 AM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:

Active subs need not sign the pledge, I agree.  I don't see that this challenges what I said, that MEM don't pay dues and BSM do.

Joshua A. Katz

Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)

On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:

I really suggest reading the categories in the membership report - that isn't the difference here.  There is a categories for non-pledgers - "active subs" - that doesn't answer the difference between "active mem" and BSM.

On Friday, August 5, 2016, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:

To become a member, one signs the pledge.  To become a bylaws-sustaining member, one pays dues.  

Joshua A. Katz

Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)

On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:

hehe

But I did read it.  It doesn't answer  my question.  So perhaps it needs to be longer to answer my question.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org> wrote:

(If only the policy manual weren't so long...  Sorry, I couldn't resist. Heh.)

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LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
LPKY Judicial Committee

On 2016-08-05 20:41, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:

Thank you Robert, I did, and perhaps I am being slow, that doesn't explain to me the difference between Active MEM and BSM.  It seems to me those two categories are identical, yet for nearly every state they vary by a few.   

In Liberty,

Caryn Ann Harlos

Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org

Communications Director, Libertarian <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>  Party of Colorado

Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>  Radical Caucus

On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org> wrote:

See policy manual:

Section 2.05 MEMBERSHIP POLICIES................................................................................36

1) Membership Forms ........................................................................................................36

2) Association Levels .........................................................................................................36

3) Life Membership Status.................................................................................................36

4) Benefits ..........................................................................................................................36

5) Benefits Lapse Date .......................................................................................................38

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From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Caryn Ann Harlos
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 7:44 PM
To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
Subject: [Lnc-business] Newbie question - Membership Report

Can someone please explain to me the different categories?  I am not understanding why these numbers differ.

Let's just take CO as an example:

Active MEM: 524

Active SUB-40

Total Active-564

Total BSM- 525

Here is my question.  What is the difference between active  MEM and BSM so that those numbers would differ?  I read the explanation in the legend, but I am not understanding.  It seems like "active" and "BSM" are functionally the same thing.  What am I missing here?  How can there be a difference of "1" between these two numbers in CO?  It seems like these two numbers are near identical but not actually identical in nearly every state.

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Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org

Communications Director, Libertarian Party <http://www.lpcolorado.org>  of Colorado

Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>  Caucus

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