[Lnc-business] Newbie question - Membership Report

Sat Aug 6 10:15:56 EDT 2016

Ahh okay (you messed up a date in there, I think you meant 7/1/16 in the
example of BSM expiring).  Is that number even meaningful for membership
stats?  It is really terribly confusing.

It seems in most cases that the two dates would be concurrent.

So in your above example, you had "membership benefits" due to paying some
money around 8/30/14 prior to agreeing with the NAP which was done on
7/1/15.  Because if you had agreed with the NAP and paid money on 8/30/14
and renewed early on 7/1/15, your BSM membership would still go through
8/30/16, correct?

Am I understanding this now?  If I am, I am going to write up a
mini-article on this to explain it to others.  I cannot be the only one
confounded by this, no one just wasn't obsessed enough to pursue an answer
since the numbers were negligible.

*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>

On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org> wrote:

> Sorry meant I would be a BSM until 07/01/2016 not 15.
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Robert Kraus
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 06, 2016 10:05 AM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Newbie question - Membership Report
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> Simple explanation: BSM (Sustaining Membership) is per the bylaws which
> basically says you are a sustaining member if you contribute a total of $25
> within a year and agree to the NAP
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> Example – I agree with the NAP and paid $25 for anything on 07/01/2015
> thus I was a “BSM” until 07/01/2015 (I am no longer a “BSM” in this example)
>
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> The “Active” (doesn’t matter Mem or Sub) part is dictated by the policy
> manual and relates to “membership benefits” like LP News. For example I
> paid $25 on 07/01/15 to renew my “active membership” but my benefits did
> not expire until 08/30/15. In other words in this example I renewed early.
> According to our rules my “expire” date for “membership benefits” would be
> extended by one year. Thus my new “active membership expire date” is
> 08/30/16. So I am “active” until the end of this month even though I am no
> longer a BSM.
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> So if I come from the state of PR and am the only “active” member – my
> state will show zero (0) for BSM and one (1) for MEM.
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> Live Free!
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> *Robert*
>
> Robert S. Kraus - Dir of Operations
> Operations at LP.org
> Libertarian National Committee
> Ph: 202.333.0008 x 231
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> Join today: https://www.lp.org/membership
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> LP FB Page: https://www.facebook.com/libertarians
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 06, 2016 8:47 AM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Newbie question - Membership Report
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> First line should say on "page 2" of the report.
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> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 6:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Joshua, let me explain.
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> There are five columns on page of the report.
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> 1.  Total "MEM" - this is the total number of constituents in state that
> have signed the pledge - whether they have paid dues or not.  It includes
> inactive folks who are not reflected on this chart.
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> 2.   Active "MEM"- Current Dues Payer or Lifetime Donor with a signed
> pledge
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> 3.  Active "SUB" - Current due payer or lifetime donors who have not
> signed the Pledge
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> 4.  Total Active - that is just adding numbers 2 and numbers 3.
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> 5. Total BSM- By-Law Definition of "Sustaining Member" and number used for
> delegate count with a parenthetical comment of Art 5-3 that a Sustaining
> member is any Party member who has given at least $25 to the party in the
> prior twelve months, or who is a life member.  By that definition, a Pledge
> signer.
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> What is the different between Numbers 2 and Number 5?  Dues payers?
> Check.  Lifetime donors?  Check.  Signed Pledge?  Check.  That is true for
> both of those categories, so what is the difference?
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> And the different between those numbers in the states is only a few
> people, and in some states (such as Hawaii, Nebraska, Rhode Island, South
> Carolina), they are exactly the same.
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> *In Liberty,*
>
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
> - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
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> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 6:04 AM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Active subs need not sign the pledge, I agree.  I don't see that this
> challenges what I said, that MEM don't pay dues and BSM do.
>
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> Joshua A. Katz
>
> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
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> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> I really suggest reading the categories in the membership report - that
> isn't the difference here.  There is a categories for non-pledgers -
> "active subs" - that doesn't answer the difference between "active mem" and
> BSM.
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> On Friday, August 5, 2016, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
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> To become a member, one signs the pledge.  To become a bylaws-sustaining
> member, one pays dues.
>
>
> Joshua A. Katz
>
> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
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> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> hehe
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> But I did read it.  It doesn't answer  my question.  So perhaps it needs
> to be longer to answer my question.
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> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
> wrote:
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> (If only the policy manual weren't so long...  Sorry, I couldn't resist.
> Heh.)
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> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
> LPKY Judicial Committee
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> On 2016-08-05 20:41, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
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> Thank you Robert, I did, and perhaps I am being slow, that doesn't explain
> to me the difference between Active MEM and BSM.  It seems to me those two
> categories are identical, yet for nearly every state they vary by a few.
>
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> *In Liberty,*
>
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
> - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
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> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org> wrote:
>
> See policy manual:
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> Section 2.05 MEMBERSHIP POLICIES......................
> ..........................................................36
>
> 1) Membership Forms ..............................
> ............................................................
> ..............36
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> 2) Association Levels ..............................
> ............................................................
> ...............36
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> 3) Life Membership Status........................
> ............................................................
> .............36
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> 4) Benefits ............................................................
> ..............................................................36
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> 5) Benefits Lapse Date ..............................
> ............................................................
> .............38
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> Live Free!
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>
> *Robert*
>
> Robert S. Kraus - Dir of Operations
> Operations at LP.org
> Libertarian National Committee
> Ph: 202.333.0008 x 231
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> Join today: https://www.lp.org/membership
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> LP FB Page: https://www.facebook.com/libertarians
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
> *Sent:* Friday, August 05, 2016 7:44 PM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Subject:* [Lnc-business] Newbie question - Membership Report
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> Can someone please explain to me the different categories?  I am not
> understanding why these numbers differ.
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> Let's just take CO as an example:
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> Active MEM: 524
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> Active SUB-40
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> Total Active-564
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> Total BSM- 525
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> Here is my question.  What is the difference between active  MEM and BSM
> so that those numbers would differ?  I read the explanation in the legend,
> but I am not understanding.  It seems like "active" and "BSM" are
> functionally the same thing.  What am I missing here?  How can there be a
> difference of "1" between these two numbers in CO?  It seems like these two
> numbers are near identical but not actually identical in nearly every state.
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> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
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>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
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>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
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> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
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> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
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> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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