[Lnc-business] Newbie question - Membership Report

Sat Aug 6 10:37:31 EDT 2016

Well you couldn't have signed the Pledge in 1971 since it wasn't around
then ;)

But I am still confused by your example.  Maybe here is the better question
to help me.

What does one have to do to have "member benefits" that are not
co-extensive with BSM?  Because it says "active mems" have signed the
Pledge.

Does this just mean a contribution under $25?

How can you be an active pledge-signer member (for active mem) and not be a
BSM?  The only way I can see that is if one gave less than $25.

*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>

On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org> wrote:

> I amy have signed the NAP in 1971. Doesn’t matter when I signed the NAP or
> if I signed the NAP ( for my active membership benefits expire date).
>
>
>
> But in this example the ONLY thing the bylaws care about is that I
> contributed $25 within the last year.
>
>
>
> Thus the last time I did this was $25 on 07/01/15 thus I am no longer a
> BSM as of 07/01/16.
>
>
>
> Now on the “membership benefits side” – which the Policy Manual dictates –
> I get my “benefits” expire date updated by 12 months from my previous date.
> So if my previous expire date was 08/30/15 and I renewed early on 07/01/15
> my new expire date is 08/30/16. Thus you can say my BSM ended on 07/01/16
> yet my ?membership benefits” expire date ends on 08/30/16.
>
>
>
> My BSM would not end on 08/30/16 simply because that would violate the
> bylaws since I had not given since 07/01/15.
>
>
>
> Keep in mind it really doesn’t matter when your BSM “ends” except for
> counts for delegates 6 months pior to a convention or your status on the
> LNC or JC which requires you to be a BSM.
>
>
>
> Live Free!
>
>
>
> *Robert*
>
>
> Robert S. Kraus - Dir of Operations
> Operations at LP.org
> Libertarian National Committee
> Ph: 202.333.0008 x 231
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>
> Join today: https://www.lp.org/membership
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 06, 2016 10:16 AM
>
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Newbie question - Membership Report
>
>
>
> Ahh okay (you messed up a date in there, I think you meant 7/1/16 in the
> example of BSM expiring).  Is that number even meaningful for membership
> stats?  It is really terribly confusing.
>
>
>
> It seems in most cases that the two dates would be concurrent.
>
>
>
> So in your above example, you had "membership benefits" due to paying some
> money around 8/30/14 prior to agreeing with the NAP which was done on
> 7/1/15.  Because if you had agreed with the NAP and paid money on 8/30/14
> and renewed early on 7/1/15, your BSM membership would still go through
> 8/30/16, correct?
>
>
>
> Am I understanding this now?  If I am, I am going to write up a
> mini-article on this to explain it to others.  I cannot be the only one
> confounded by this, no one just wasn't obsessed enough to pursue an answer
> since the numbers were negligible.
>
>
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
> - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
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>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org> wrote:
>
> Sorry meant I would be a BSM until 07/01/2016 not 15.
>
>
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>
> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Robert Kraus
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 06, 2016 10:05 AM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Newbie question - Membership Report
>
>
>
> Simple explanation: BSM (Sustaining Membership) is per the bylaws which
> basically says you are a sustaining member if you contribute a total of $25
> within a year and agree to the NAP
>
>
>
> Example – I agree with the NAP and paid $25 for anything on 07/01/2015
> thus I was a “BSM” until 07/01/2015 (I am no longer a “BSM” in this example)
>
>
>
> The “Active” (doesn’t matter Mem or Sub) part is dictated by the policy
> manual and relates to “membership benefits” like LP News. For example I
> paid $25 on 07/01/15 to renew my “active membership” but my benefits did
> not expire until 08/30/15. In other words in this example I renewed early.
> According to our rules my “expire” date for “membership benefits” would be
> extended by one year. Thus my new “active membership expire date” is
> 08/30/16. So I am “active” until the end of this month even though I am no
> longer a BSM.
>
>
>
> So if I come from the state of PR and am the only “active” member – my
> state will show zero (0) for BSM and one (1) for MEM.
>
>
>
> Live Free!
>
>
>
> *Robert*
>
> Robert S. Kraus - Dir of Operations
> Operations at LP.org
> Libertarian National Committee
> Ph: 202.333.0008 x 231
>
>
>
> Join today: https://www.lp.org/membership
>
> LP FB Page: https://www.facebook.com/libertarians
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 06, 2016 8:47 AM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Newbie question - Membership Report
>
>
>
> First line should say on "page 2" of the report.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 6:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Joshua, let me explain.
>
>
>
> There are five columns on page of the report.
>
>
>
> 1.  Total "MEM" - this is the total number of constituents in state that
> have signed the pledge - whether they have paid dues or not.  It includes
> inactive folks who are not reflected on this chart.
>
> 2.   Active "MEM"- Current Dues Payer or Lifetime Donor with a signed
> pledge
>
> 3.  Active "SUB" - Current due payer or lifetime donors who have not
> signed the Pledge
>
> 4.  Total Active - that is just adding numbers 2 and numbers 3.
>
> 5. Total BSM- By-Law Definition of "Sustaining Member" and number used for
> delegate count with a parenthetical comment of Art 5-3 that a Sustaining
> member is any Party member who has given at least $25 to the party in the
> prior twelve months, or who is a life member.  By that definition, a Pledge
> signer.
>
>
>
> What is the different between Numbers 2 and Number 5?  Dues payers?
> Check.  Lifetime donors?  Check.  Signed Pledge?  Check.  That is true for
> both of those categories, so what is the difference?
>
>
>
> And the different between those numbers in the states is only a few
> people, and in some states (such as Hawaii, Nebraska, Rhode Island, South
> Carolina), they are exactly the same.
>
>
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
> - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
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> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 6:04 AM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Active subs need not sign the pledge, I agree.  I don't see that this
> challenges what I said, that MEM don't pay dues and BSM do.
>
>
> Joshua A. Katz
>
> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I really suggest reading the categories in the membership report - that
> isn't the difference here.  There is a categories for non-pledgers -
> "active subs" - that doesn't answer the difference between "active mem" and
> BSM.
>
>
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> On Friday, August 5, 2016, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> To become a member, one signs the pledge.  To become a bylaws-sustaining
> member, one pays dues.
>
>
> Joshua A. Katz
>
> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> hehe
>
>
>
> But I did read it.  It doesn't answer  my question.  So perhaps it needs
> to be longer to answer my question.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
> wrote:
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>
>
> (If only the policy manual weren't so long...  Sorry, I couldn't resist.
> Heh.)
>
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>
> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
> LPKY Judicial Committee
>
>
>
> On 2016-08-05 20:41, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> Thank you Robert, I did, and perhaps I am being slow, that doesn't explain
> to me the difference between Active MEM and BSM.  It seems to me those two
> categories are identical, yet for nearly every state they vary by a few.
>
>
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
> - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org> wrote:
>
> See policy manual:
>
>
>
> Section 2.05 MEMBERSHIP POLICIES......................
> ..........................................................36
>
> 1) Membership Forms ..............................
> ............................................................
> ..............36
>
> 2) Association Levels ..............................
> ............................................................
> ...............36
>
> 3) Life Membership Status........................
> ............................................................
> .............36
>
> 4) Benefits ............................................................
> ..............................................................36
>
> 5) Benefits Lapse Date ..............................
> ............................................................
> .............38
>
>
>
> Live Free!
>
>
>
> *Robert*
>
> Robert S. Kraus - Dir of Operations
> Operations at LP.org
> Libertarian National Committee
> Ph: 202.333.0008 x 231
>
>
>
> Join today: https://www.lp.org/membership
>
> LP FB Page: https://www.facebook.com/libertarians
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
> *Sent:* Friday, August 05, 2016 7:44 PM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Subject:* [Lnc-business] Newbie question - Membership Report
>
>
>
> Can someone please explain to me the different categories?  I am not
> understanding why these numbers differ.
>
>
>
> Let's just take CO as an example:
>
>
>
> Active MEM: 524
>
> Active SUB-40
>
> Total Active-564
>
> Total BSM- 525
>
>
>
> Here is my question.  What is the difference between active  MEM and BSM
> so that those numbers would differ?  I read the explanation in the legend,
> but I am not understanding.  It seems like "active" and "BSM" are
> functionally the same thing.  What am I missing here?  How can there be a
> difference of "1" between these two numbers in CO?  It seems like these two
> numbers are near identical but not actually identical in nearly every state.
>
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> *In Liberty,*
>
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
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>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
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> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
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