[Lnc-business] Newbie question - Membership Report
Wes Benedict
wes.benedict at lp.org
Sat Aug 6 10:50:06 EDT 2016
Cary, do you want me to answer this question?
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On 8/6/2016 10:37 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> Well you couldn't have signed the Pledge in 1971 since it wasn't
> around then ;)
>
> But I am still confused by your example. Maybe here is the better
> question to help me.
>
> What does one have to do to have "member benefits" that are not
> co-extensive with BSM? Because it says "active mems" have signed the
> Pledge.
>
> Does this just mean a contribution under $25?
>
> How can you be an active pledge-signer member (for active mem) and not
> be a BSM? The only way I can see that is if one gave less than $25.
>
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
> - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org
> <mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org>> wrote:
>
> I amy have signed the NAP in 1971. Doesn’t matter when I signed
> the NAP or if I signed the NAP ( for my active membership benefits
> expire date).
>
> But in this example the ONLY thing the bylaws care about is that I
> contributed $25 within the last year.
>
> Thus the last time I did this was $25 on 07/01/15 thus I am no
> longer a BSM as of 07/01/16.
>
> Now on the “membership benefits side” – which the Policy Manual
> dictates – I get my “benefits” expire date updated by 12 months
> from my previous date. So if my previous expire date was 08/30/15
> and I renewed early on 07/01/15 my new expire date is 08/30/16.
> Thus you can say my BSM ended on 07/01/16 yet my ?membership
> benefits” expire date ends on 08/30/16.
>
> My BSM would not end on 08/30/16 simply because that would violate
> the bylaws since I had not given since 07/01/15.
>
> Keep in mind it really doesn’t matter when your BSM “ends” except
> for counts for delegates 6 months pior to a convention or your
> status on the LNC or JC which requires you to be a BSM.
>
> Live Free!
>
> /*/Robert/*/*/
>
>
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> *From:*Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
> <mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org>] *On Behalf Of *Caryn Ann
> Harlos
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 06, 2016 10:16 AM
>
>
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Newbie question - Membership Report
>
> Ahh okay (you messed up a date in there, I think you meant 7/1/16
> in the example of BSM expiring). Is that number even meaningful
> for membership stats? It is really terribly confusing.
>
> It seems in most cases that the two dates would be concurrent.
>
> So in your above example, you had "membership benefits" due to
> paying some money around 8/30/14 prior to agreeing with the NAP
> which was done on 7/1/15. Because if you had agreed with the NAP
> and paid money on 8/30/14 and renewed early on 7/1/15, your BSM
> membership would still go through 8/30/16, correct?
>
> Am I understanding this now? If I am, I am going to write up a
> mini-article on this to explain it to others. I cannot be the
> only one confounded by this, no one just wasn't obsessed enough to
> pursue an answer since the numbers were negligible.
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>
> ColoradoStateCoordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org
> <mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org>> wrote:
>
> Sorry meant I would be a BSM until 07/01/2016 not 15.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
> <mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org>] *On Behalf Of *Robert Kraus
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 06, 2016 10:05 AM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Newbie question - Membership Report
>
> Simple explanation: BSM (Sustaining Membership) is per the bylaws
> which basically says you are a sustaining member if you contribute
> a total of $25 within a year and agree to the NAP
>
> Example – I agree with the NAP and paid $25 for anything on
> 07/01/2015 thus I was a “BSM” until 07/01/2015 (I am no longer a
> “BSM” in this example)
>
> The “Active” (doesn’t matter Mem or Sub) part is dictated by the
> policy manual and relates to “membership benefits” like LP News.
> For example I paid $25 on 07/01/15 to renew my “active membership”
> but my benefits did not expire until 08/30/15. In other words in
> this example I renewed early. According to our rules my “expire”
> date for “membership benefits” would be extended by one year. Thus
> my new “active membership expire date” is 08/30/16. So I am
> “active” until the end of this month even though I am no longer a
> BSM.
>
> So if I come from the state of PR and am the only “active” member
> – my state will show zero (0) for BSM and one (1) for MEM.
>
> Live Free!
>
> /*/Robert/*/
>
> Robert S. Kraus - Dir of Operations
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> *From:*Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
> <mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org>] *On Behalf Of *Caryn Ann
> Harlos
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 06, 2016 8:47 AM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Newbie question - Membership Report
>
> First line should say on "page 2" of the report.
>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 6:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <carynannharlos at gmail.com <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Joshua, let me explain.
>
> There are five columns on page of the report.
>
> 1. Total "MEM" - this is the total number of constituents in state
> that have signed the pledge - whether they have paid dues or not.
> It includes inactive folks who are not reflected on this chart.
>
> 2. Active "MEM"- Current Dues Payer or Lifetime Donor with a
> signed pledge
>
> 3. Active "SUB" - Current due payer or lifetime donors who have
> not signed the Pledge
>
> 4. Total Active - that is just adding numbers 2 and numbers 3.
>
> 5. Total BSM- By-Law Definition of "Sustaining Member" and number
> used for delegate count with a parenthetical comment of Art 5-3
> that a Sustaining member is any Party member who has given at
> least $25 to the party in the prior twelve months, or who is a
> life member. By that definition, a Pledge signer.
>
> What is the different between Numbers 2 and Number 5? Dues
> payers? Check. Lifetime donors? Check. Signed Pledge? Check.
> That is true for both of those categories, so what is the difference?
>
> And the different between those numbers in the states is only a
> few people, and in some states (such as Hawaii, Nebraska, Rhode
> Island, South Carolina), they are exactly the same.
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>
> ColoradoStateCoordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 6:04 AM, Joshua Katz
> <planning4liberty at gmail.com <mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Active subs need not sign the pledge, I agree. I don't see that
> this challenges what I said, that MEM don't pay dues and BSM do.
>
>
> Joshua A. Katz
>
> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <carynannharlos at gmail.com <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I really suggest reading the categories in the membership report -
> that isn't the difference here. There is a categories for
> non-pledgers - "active subs" - that doesn't answer the difference
> between "active mem" and BSM.
>
>
> On Friday, August 5, 2016, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com
> <mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> To become a member, one signs the pledge. To become a
> bylaws-sustaining member, one pays dues.
>
>
> Joshua A. Katz
>
> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <carynannharlos at gmail.com <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> hehe
>
> But I did read it. It doesn't answer my question. So perhaps it
> needs to be longer to answer my question.
>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ken Moellman
> <ken.moellman at lpky.org <mailto:ken.moellman at lpky.org>> wrote:
>
> (If only the policy manual weren't so long... Sorry, I couldn't
> resist. Heh.)
>
> ---
>
> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
> LPKY Judicial Committee
>
> On 2016-08-05 20:41, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> Thank you Robert, I did, and perhaps I am being slow, that
> doesn't explain to me the difference between Active MEM and
> BSM. It seems to me those two categories are identical, yet
> for nearly every state they vary by a few.
>
> **In Liberty,**
>
> **Caryn Ann Harlos**
>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
> Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana,
> Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>
> ColoradoStateCoordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Robert Kraus
> <robert.kraus at lp.org <mailto:robert.kraus at lp.org>> wrote:
>
> See policy manual:
>
> Section 2.05 MEMBERSHIP
> POLICIES................................................................................36
>
> 1) Membership Forms
> ........................................................................................................36
>
> 2) Association Levels
> .........................................................................................................36
>
> 3) Life Membership
> Status.................................................................................................36
>
> 4) Benefits
> ..........................................................................................................................36
>
> 5) Benefits Lapse Date
> .......................................................................................................38
>
> Live Free!
>
> /*/Robert/*/
>
> Robert S. Kraus - Dir of Operations
> Operations at LP.org
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> **From:**Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at h
> <mailto:lnc-business-bounces at h>q.lp.org <http://q.lp.org>]
> **On Behalf Of **Caryn Ann Harlos
> **Sent:** Friday, August 05, 2016 7:44 PM
> **To:** lnc-business at hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
> **Subject:** [Lnc-business] Newbie question - Membership Report
>
> Can someone please explain to me the different categories? I
> am not understanding why these numbers differ.
>
> Let's just take CO as an example:
>
> Active MEM: 524
>
> Active SUB-40
>
> Total Active-564
>
> Total BSM- 525
>
> Here is my question. What is the difference between active
> MEM and BSM so that those numbers would differ? I read the
> explanation in the legend, but I am not understanding. It
> seems like "active" and "BSM" are functionally the same
> thing. What am I missing here? How can there be a difference
> of "1" between these two numbers in CO? It seems like these
> two numbers are near identical but not actually identical in
> nearly every state.
>
> --
>
> **In Liberty,**
>
> **Caryn Ann Harlos**
>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
> Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>
> ColoradoStateCoordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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> Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
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>
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>
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>
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> <mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>
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>
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> Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> <mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>
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