[Lnc-business] Newbie question - Membership Report
Caryn Ann Harlos
carynannharlos at gmail.com
Sat Aug 6 10:52:06 EDT 2016
Wes, yes please!
I am asking members and no one seems to understand this.
On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org> wrote:
> Cary, do you want me to answer this question?
>
> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314(202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.orgfacebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>
> On 8/6/2016 10:37 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> Well you couldn't have signed the Pledge in 1971 since it wasn't around
> then ;)
>
> But I am still confused by your example. Maybe here is the better
> question to help me.
>
> What does one have to do to have "member benefits" that are not
> co-extensive with BSM? Because it says "active mems" have signed the
> Pledge.
>
> Does this just mean a contribution under $25?
>
> How can you be an active pledge-signer member (for active mem) and not be
> a BSM? The only way I can see that is if one gave less than $25.
>
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org> wrote:
>
>> I amy have signed the NAP in 1971. Doesn’t matter when I signed the NAP
>> or if I signed the NAP ( for my active membership benefits expire date).
>>
>>
>>
>> But in this example the ONLY thing the bylaws care about is that I
>> contributed $25 within the last year.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thus the last time I did this was $25 on 07/01/15 thus I am no longer a
>> BSM as of 07/01/16.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now on the “membership benefits side” – which the Policy Manual dictates
>> – I get my “benefits” expire date updated by 12 months from my previous
>> date. So if my previous expire date was 08/30/15 and I renewed early on
>> 07/01/15 my new expire date is 08/30/16. Thus you can say my BSM ended on
>> 07/01/16 yet my ?membership benefits” expire date ends on 08/30/16.
>>
>>
>>
>> My BSM would not end on 08/30/16 simply because that would violate the
>> bylaws since I had not given since 07/01/15.
>>
>>
>>
>> Keep in mind it really doesn’t matter when your BSM “ends” except for
>> counts for delegates 6 months pior to a convention or your status on the
>> LNC or JC which requires you to be a BSM.
>>
>>
>>
>> Live Free!
>>
>>
>>
>> *Robert*
>>
>>
>> Robert S. Kraus - Dir of Operations
>> Operations at LP.org
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> Ph: 202.333.0008 x 231 <202.333.0008%20x%20231>
>>
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>>
>> Join today: https://www.lp.org/membership
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>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
>> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 06, 2016 10:16 AM
>>
>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Newbie question - Membership Report
>>
>>
>>
>> Ahh okay (you messed up a date in there, I think you meant 7/1/16 in the
>> example of BSM expiring). Is that number even meaningful for membership
>> stats? It is really terribly confusing.
>>
>>
>>
>> It seems in most cases that the two dates would be concurrent.
>>
>>
>>
>> So in your above example, you had "membership benefits" due to paying
>> some money around 8/30/14 prior to agreeing with the NAP which was done on
>> 7/1/15. Because if you had agreed with the NAP and paid money on 8/30/14
>> and renewed early on 7/1/15, your BSM membership would still go through
>> 8/30/16, correct?
>>
>>
>>
>> Am I understanding this now? If I am, I am going to write up a
>> mini-article on this to explain it to others. I cannot be the only one
>> confounded by this, no one just wasn't obsessed enough to pursue an answer
>> since the numbers were negligible.
>>
>>
>>
>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org
>>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>>
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>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry meant I would be a BSM until 07/01/2016 not 15.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
>> Of *Robert Kraus
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 06, 2016 10:05 AM
>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Newbie question - Membership Report
>>
>>
>>
>> Simple explanation: BSM (Sustaining Membership) is per the bylaws which
>> basically says you are a sustaining member if you contribute a total of $25
>> within a year and agree to the NAP
>>
>>
>>
>> Example – I agree with the NAP and paid $25 for anything on 07/01/2015
>> thus I was a “BSM” until 07/01/2015 (I am no longer a “BSM” in this example)
>>
>>
>>
>> The “Active” (doesn’t matter Mem or Sub) part is dictated by the policy
>> manual and relates to “membership benefits” like LP News. For example I
>> paid $25 on 07/01/15 to renew my “active membership” but my benefits did
>> not expire until 08/30/15. In other words in this example I renewed early.
>> According to our rules my “expire” date for “membership benefits” would be
>> extended by one year. Thus my new “active membership expire date” is
>> 08/30/16. So I am “active” until the end of this month even though I am no
>> longer a BSM.
>>
>>
>>
>> So if I come from the state of PR and am the only “active” member – my
>> state will show zero (0) for BSM and one (1) for MEM.
>>
>>
>>
>> Live Free!
>>
>>
>>
>> *Robert*
>>
>> Robert S. Kraus - Dir of Operations
>> Operations at LP.org
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> Ph: 202.333.0008 x 231
>>
>>
>>
>> Join today: https://www.lp.org/membership
>>
>> LP FB Page: https://www.facebook.com/libertarians
>>
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>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
>> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 06, 2016 8:47 AM
>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Newbie question - Membership Report
>>
>>
>>
>> First line should say on "page 2" of the report.
>>
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>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 6:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Joshua, let me explain.
>>
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>>
>> There are five columns on page of the report.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. Total "MEM" - this is the total number of constituents in state that
>> have signed the pledge - whether they have paid dues or not. It includes
>> inactive folks who are not reflected on this chart.
>>
>> 2. Active "MEM"- Current Dues Payer or Lifetime Donor with a signed
>> pledge
>>
>> 3. Active "SUB" - Current due payer or lifetime donors who have not
>> signed the Pledge
>>
>> 4. Total Active - that is just adding numbers 2 and numbers 3.
>>
>> 5. Total BSM- By-Law Definition of "Sustaining Member" and number used
>> for delegate count with a parenthetical comment of Art 5-3 that a
>> Sustaining member is any Party member who has given at least $25 to the
>> party in the prior twelve months, or who is a life member. By that
>> definition, a Pledge signer.
>>
>>
>>
>> What is the different between Numbers 2 and Number 5? Dues payers?
>> Check. Lifetime donors? Check. Signed Pledge? Check. That is true for
>> both of those categories, so what is the difference?
>>
>>
>>
>> And the different between those numbers in the states is only a few
>> people, and in some states (such as Hawaii, Nebraska, Rhode Island, South
>> Carolina), they are exactly the same.
>>
>>
>>
>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org
>>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
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>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 6:04 AM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Active subs need not sign the pledge, I agree. I don't see that this
>> challenges what I said, that MEM don't pay dues and BSM do.
>>
>>
>> Joshua A. Katz
>>
>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I really suggest reading the categories in the membership report - that
>> isn't the difference here. There is a categories for non-pledgers -
>> "active subs" - that doesn't answer the difference between "active mem" and
>> BSM.
>>
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>> On Friday, August 5, 2016, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> To become a member, one signs the pledge. To become a bylaws-sustaining
>> member, one pays dues.
>>
>>
>> Joshua A. Katz
>>
>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> hehe
>>
>>
>>
>> But I did read it. It doesn't answer my question. So perhaps it needs
>> to be longer to answer my question.
>>
>>
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>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>> wrote:
>>
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>> (If only the policy manual weren't so long... Sorry, I couldn't resist.
>> Heh.)
>>
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>> ---
>>
>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>
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>> On 2016-08-05 20:41, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Robert, I did, and perhaps I am being slow, that doesn't
>> explain to me the difference between Active MEM and BSM. It seems to me
>> those two categories are identical, yet for nearly every state they vary by
>> a few.
>>
>>
>>
>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org
>>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> See policy manual:
>>
>>
>>
>> Section 2.05 MEMBERSHIP POLICIES......................
>> ..........................................................36
>>
>> 1) Membership Forms ..............................
>> ............................................................
>> ..............36
>>
>> 2) Association Levels ..............................
>> ............................................................
>> ...............36
>>
>> 3) Life Membership Status........................
>> ............................................................
>> .............36
>>
>> 4) Benefits ............................................................
>> ..............................................................36
>>
>> 5) Benefits Lapse Date ..............................
>> ............................................................
>> .............38
>>
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>> Live Free!
>>
>>
>>
>> *Robert*
>>
>> Robert S. Kraus - Dir of Operations
>> Operations at LP.org
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> Ph: 202.333.0008 x 231
>>
>>
>>
>> Join today: https://www.lp.org/membership
>>
>> LP FB Page: https://www.facebook.com/libertarians
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>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
>> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 05, 2016 7:44 PM
>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> *Subject:* [Lnc-business] Newbie question - Membership Report
>>
>>
>>
>> Can someone please explain to me the different categories? I am not
>> understanding why these numbers differ.
>>
>>
>>
>> Let's just take CO as an example:
>>
>>
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>> Active MEM: 524
>>
>> Active SUB-40
>>
>> Total Active-564
>>
>> Total BSM- 525
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is my question. What is the difference between active MEM and BSM
>> so that those numbers would differ? I read the explanation in the legend,
>> but I am not understanding. It seems like "active" and "BSM" are
>> functionally the same thing. What am I missing here? How can there be a
>> difference of "1" between these two numbers in CO? It seems like these two
>> numbers are near identical but not actually identical in nearly every state.
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>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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>> *In Liberty,*
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>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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>> *In Liberty,*
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>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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