[Lnc-business] Gun Rights/Watch List Resolution - seeking co-sponsors

Tue Aug 9 18:36:17 EDT 2016

I started a new email chain with the amended motion.  Email motions really
stink.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Sam that is not the only purpose but to counter views of the current
> administration and that party's candidate.
>
> I have no issue with the proposed change and am not sure how email
> amendments work.  I am not convinced it is necessary but if that is what it
> took, I am not looking to quibble.
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 9, 2016, Steven Nielson <stevennielson at lpwa.org> wrote:
>
>> I believe LPWA will stand in solidarity... and our state constitution is
>> pretty clear on it as well.
>>
>> *Steven M. NielsonRegion 1 Alternate to LP*
>> *Former Chairperson 2015-2016,*
>>
>>
>> *Libertarian Party of Washington State 360-662-6362 <360-662-6362>*
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> The purpose of the resolution is to counter some statements by our
>>> VPOTUS nominee over the past week or so in
>>> various interview.
>>>
>>> Although I don't disagree with the concept of the resolution, I think
>>> only the delegates in convention can pass it as
>>> currently worded. If you change it to a resolution by the LNC, I might
>>> consider sponsoring.
>>>
>>> Live Free,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> Member at Large
>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Steven Nielson <stevennielson at lpwa.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have drafted the following for consideration to adopt by the LPWA:
>>>>
>>>> RESOLUTION OF THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY OF WASHINGTON STATE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> WE, THE ELECTED EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY OF
>>>> WASHINGTON STATE, DO HOLD THE FOLLOWING TRUTHS TO BE AS SELF-EVIDENT TODAY
>>>> AS IN THE TIME OF OUR FOUNDERS, THAT MEN AND WOMEN RETAIN THEIR NATURAL
>>>> RIGHTS DESPITE THE EFFORTS OF GOVERNMENTS INSTITUTED AROUND THEM, AND THAT
>>>> NATURAL RIGHTS CANNOT BE JUSTLY REVOKED. INASMUCH, AND
>>>>
>>>> WHEREAS, IT IS THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE INDIVIDUAL TO STAND IN DEFENSE
>>>> OF HIMSELF, HIS PROPERTY, AND HIS POSTERITY; AND
>>>>
>>>> WHEREAS, IT IS IN FOLLOWING WITH THE NATIONAL LIBERTARIAN PLATFORM THAT
>>>> LIBERTARIANS RECOGNIZE THE INFRINGEMENT OF NATURAL RIGHTS INHERENT IN
>>>> MANDATORY RESTRICTION, REGULATION, OR MONITORING OF ARMS TRANSACTIONS; AND
>>>>
>>>> WHEREAS, THE WASHINGTON STATE CONSTITUTION, ARTICLE 1 SECTION 24,
>>>> REAFFIRMS THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE INDIVIDUAL CITIZEN TO BEAR ARMS IN
>>>> DEFENSE WITHOUT IMPAIRMENT FROM THE GOVERNMENT; AND
>>>>
>>>> WHEREAS, THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, AMENDMENT 2, REAFFIRMS THE
>>>> NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS; AND
>>>>
>>>> WHEREAS, THE INDEPENDENT COURT SYSTEM HAS UPHELD THAT THE GOVERNING
>>>> DOCUMENTS OF OUR SOCIETY ARE INTENDED TO RESTRICT THE GOVERNMENT’S ABUSES
>>>> AGAINST OUR NATURAL RIGHTS TO DEFENSE; AND
>>>>
>>>> WHEREAS, THERE IS NO OPINION OF THE COURT NOR MODIFICATION TO GOVERNING
>>>> DOCUMENTS THAT HAS THE AUTHORITY TO REVOKE A NATURAL RIGHT OF AN
>>>> INDIVIDUAL; AND
>>>>
>>>> WHEREAS, THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY OF WASHINGTON STATE RECOGNIZES THE
>>>> INTENT OF THE GOVERNMENT TO IMPAIR AND INFRINGE UPON THE NATURAL RIGHTS TO
>>>> DEFENSE, AND THE NATURAL RIGHT OF PRIVACY IN OUR INDIVIDUAL AFFAIRS;
>>>>
>>>> BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY OF WASHINGTON STATE OPPOSES
>>>> ANY POLICY, IN ANY JURISDICTION, THAT WOULD DENY ACCESS OF THE INDIVIDUAL
>>>> TO ANY FIREARM OR AMMUNITION, AND WE AFFIRM THAT THE PLACEMENT OF ANY
>>>> INDIVIDUAL ON A GOVERNMENT WATCHLIST OR NO-FLY LIST WITHOUT DUE PROCESS IS
>>>> A VIOLATION OF THE INDIVIDUAL’S NATURAL RIGHTS AND A VIOLATION OF
>>>> CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS FROM THE GOVERNMENT, AND WE AFFIRM THAT ANY
>>>> IMPAIRMENT OF ACCESS TO ARMS AND AMMUNITION OF THE INDIVIDUAL PLACED ON
>>>> SAID WATCHLISTS IS A VIOLATION OF THE INDIVIDUAL’S NATURAL RIGHTS, WHICH
>>>> CANNOT BE JUSTLY REVOKED, AND WE DETERMINE THAT ANY SUCH USERPATION IS
>>>> DESTRUCTIVE TO THE CONSENTED PURPOSE OF THAT GOVERNMENT AND WE OPPOSE ANY
>>>> SUCH REGULATION AS AN ABUSE OF THE GOVERNMENT’S RESTIRCTED AUTHORITY TO
>>>> GOVERN.
>>>>
>>>> PRESENTED ON BEHALF OF THE MEMBERS OF THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY OF
>>>> WASHINGTON STATE BY CHAIRMAN DAVID TRAYNOR ON 09 AUGUST 2016
>>>>
>>>> *Steven M. NielsonRegion 1 Alternate to LP*
>>>> *Former Chairperson 2015-2016,*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Libertarian Party of Washington State 360-662-6362 <360-662-6362>*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think the biggest difference between the gun laws and the drug laws
>>>>> is that the status quo is different.  Drug laws have (most) of the momentum
>>>>> in the right direction, the only question is how far we'll go.  On guns,
>>>>> the most libertarian outcome among the likely possibilities is standing
>>>>> still.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is at least worth full discussion and consideration.  I'll
>>>>> cosponsor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We are being slammed by gun rights groups for not taking a firm
>>>>>> proactive stand on this.  In Colorado, we (they) have this question come up
>>>>>> most often at Outreach booths and the LPCO took a firm position on it to
>>>>>> quell any confusion that may have been the result of differing statements
>>>>>> than our candidates have made considering guns and watch lists and the
>>>>>> direction of the current administration, particularly considering that
>>>>>> "ant-government types, such as libertarians" have been targetted for
>>>>>> watchlists over the past year and as campaign fear-mongering takes place,
>>>>>> is certain to remain an issue.  However, Joshua is right.  There are other
>>>>>> multiple issues that could be addressed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me lay out the frank concerns of the Libertarian Party of
>>>>>> Colorado (via the State Chair)  which I am sure is shared by many members
>>>>>> and affiliates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are three issues which are in the news about which the position
>>>>>> of our Party is being muddled.  Freedom of association, drug laws, and gun
>>>>>> rights.  Massive changes in freedom of association laws are not going to
>>>>>> happen tomorrow.  Drugs other than pot are not going to be legalized
>>>>>> tomorrow.  Gun rights restrictions and watch lists are happening right NOW
>>>>>> and we need to take a stand now and be crystal crystal clear as national
>>>>>> leadership.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Joshua Katz <
>>>>>> planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think this is, if such a phrase makes sense, among the worst and
>>>>>>> most dangerous forms of gun control.  It's also among the most insidious,
>>>>>>> which is even more disturbing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I therefore am supportive, but I'd be curious to hear why we are
>>>>>>> singling out this issue, among the many offenses against our freedom that
>>>>>>> are discussed heavily in the policy world.  I don't think anyone would be
>>>>>>> surprised to hear we favor gun rights and due process - at least those who
>>>>>>> know us, since, after all, one can in fact be surprised more generally by
>>>>>>> such a shocking "left and right" combination.  I don't think this will be
>>>>>>> news to anyone about this party, is what I mean to say.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps more broadly - what is the purpose of this resolution?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I can be helped to see this, I will likely cosponsor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>>>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In furtherance of the request from CO and now AZ for the LNC to
>>>>>>>> consider a resolution similar to the CO Gun Rights and Watch Lists
>>>>>>>> Resolution, I offer this and seek co-sponsors
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, Libertarians affirm that self-defense is an inherent human
>>>>>>>> right;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party opposes all laws at
>>>>>>>> any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring
>>>>>>>> the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party affirms the right
>>>>>>>> of due process and deny the legitimacy of “victimless crimes”;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, the government has steadily encroached upon these rights
>>>>>>>> by illegitimately regulating and restricting access for firearms
>>>>>>>> and ammunition and may further seek to deprive people who have
>>>>>>>> been convicted of no crime of their inherent right to full
>>>>>>>> self-defense by denying their civil and inherent rights to obtain
>>>>>>>> firearms and ammunition;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian Party opposes any policy which
>>>>>>>> would deny access to any firearms or ammunition to any person simply for
>>>>>>>> being placed on any government watch or no-fly list and reaffirms its call
>>>>>>>> to repeal and oppose any existing or proposed firearm and ammunition
>>>>>>>> regulations.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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