[Lnc-business] Gun Rights/Watch List Resolution - seeking co-sponsors

Tue Aug 9 18:30:15 EDT 2016

Sam that is not the only purpose but to counter views of the current
administration and that party's candidate.

I have no issue with the proposed change and am not sure how email
amendments work.  I am not convinced it is necessary but if that is what it
took, I am not looking to quibble.

On Tuesday, August 9, 2016, Steven Nielson <stevennielson at lpwa.org> wrote:

> I believe LPWA will stand in solidarity... and our state constitution is
> pretty clear on it as well.
>
> *Steven M. NielsonRegion 1 Alternate to LP*
> *Former Chairperson 2015-2016,*
>
>
> *Libertarian Party of Washington State 360-662-6362 <360-662-6362>*
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The purpose of the resolution is to counter some statements by our VPOTUS
>> nominee over the past week or so in
>> various interview.
>>
>> Although I don't disagree with the concept of the resolution, I think
>> only the delegates in convention can pass it as
>> currently worded. If you change it to a resolution by the LNC, I might
>> consider sponsoring.
>>
>> Live Free,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam Goldstein
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> Member at Large
>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Steven Nielson <stevennielson at lpwa.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have drafted the following for consideration to adopt by the LPWA:
>>>
>>> RESOLUTION OF THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY OF WASHINGTON STATE
>>>
>>>
>>> WE, THE ELECTED EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY OF
>>> WASHINGTON STATE, DO HOLD THE FOLLOWING TRUTHS TO BE AS SELF-EVIDENT TODAY
>>> AS IN THE TIME OF OUR FOUNDERS, THAT MEN AND WOMEN RETAIN THEIR NATURAL
>>> RIGHTS DESPITE THE EFFORTS OF GOVERNMENTS INSTITUTED AROUND THEM, AND THAT
>>> NATURAL RIGHTS CANNOT BE JUSTLY REVOKED. INASMUCH, AND
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, IT IS THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE INDIVIDUAL TO STAND IN DEFENSE
>>> OF HIMSELF, HIS PROPERTY, AND HIS POSTERITY; AND
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, IT IS IN FOLLOWING WITH THE NATIONAL LIBERTARIAN PLATFORM THAT
>>> LIBERTARIANS RECOGNIZE THE INFRINGEMENT OF NATURAL RIGHTS INHERENT IN
>>> MANDATORY RESTRICTION, REGULATION, OR MONITORING OF ARMS TRANSACTIONS; AND
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, THE WASHINGTON STATE CONSTITUTION, ARTICLE 1 SECTION 24,
>>> REAFFIRMS THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE INDIVIDUAL CITIZEN TO BEAR ARMS IN
>>> DEFENSE WITHOUT IMPAIRMENT FROM THE GOVERNMENT; AND
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, AMENDMENT 2, REAFFIRMS THE
>>> NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS; AND
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, THE INDEPENDENT COURT SYSTEM HAS UPHELD THAT THE GOVERNING
>>> DOCUMENTS OF OUR SOCIETY ARE INTENDED TO RESTRICT THE GOVERNMENT’S ABUSES
>>> AGAINST OUR NATURAL RIGHTS TO DEFENSE; AND
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, THERE IS NO OPINION OF THE COURT NOR MODIFICATION TO GOVERNING
>>> DOCUMENTS THAT HAS THE AUTHORITY TO REVOKE A NATURAL RIGHT OF AN
>>> INDIVIDUAL; AND
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY OF WASHINGTON STATE RECOGNIZES THE INTENT
>>> OF THE GOVERNMENT TO IMPAIR AND INFRINGE UPON THE NATURAL RIGHTS TO
>>> DEFENSE, AND THE NATURAL RIGHT OF PRIVACY IN OUR INDIVIDUAL AFFAIRS;
>>>
>>> BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY OF WASHINGTON STATE OPPOSES
>>> ANY POLICY, IN ANY JURISDICTION, THAT WOULD DENY ACCESS OF THE INDIVIDUAL
>>> TO ANY FIREARM OR AMMUNITION, AND WE AFFIRM THAT THE PLACEMENT OF ANY
>>> INDIVIDUAL ON A GOVERNMENT WATCHLIST OR NO-FLY LIST WITHOUT DUE PROCESS IS
>>> A VIOLATION OF THE INDIVIDUAL’S NATURAL RIGHTS AND A VIOLATION OF
>>> CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS FROM THE GOVERNMENT, AND WE AFFIRM THAT ANY
>>> IMPAIRMENT OF ACCESS TO ARMS AND AMMUNITION OF THE INDIVIDUAL PLACED ON
>>> SAID WATCHLISTS IS A VIOLATION OF THE INDIVIDUAL’S NATURAL RIGHTS, WHICH
>>> CANNOT BE JUSTLY REVOKED, AND WE DETERMINE THAT ANY SUCH USERPATION IS
>>> DESTRUCTIVE TO THE CONSENTED PURPOSE OF THAT GOVERNMENT AND WE OPPOSE ANY
>>> SUCH REGULATION AS AN ABUSE OF THE GOVERNMENT’S RESTIRCTED AUTHORITY TO
>>> GOVERN.
>>>
>>> PRESENTED ON BEHALF OF THE MEMBERS OF THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY OF
>>> WASHINGTON STATE BY CHAIRMAN DAVID TRAYNOR ON 09 AUGUST 2016
>>>
>>> *Steven M. NielsonRegion 1 Alternate to LP*
>>> *Former Chairperson 2015-2016,*
>>>
>>>
>>> *Libertarian Party of Washington State 360-662-6362 <360-662-6362>*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think the biggest difference between the gun laws and the drug laws
>>>> is that the status quo is different.  Drug laws have (most) of the momentum
>>>> in the right direction, the only question is how far we'll go.  On guns,
>>>> the most libertarian outcome among the likely possibilities is standing
>>>> still.
>>>>
>>>> This is at least worth full discussion and consideration.  I'll
>>>> cosponsor.
>>>>
>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We are being slammed by gun rights groups for not taking a firm
>>>>> proactive stand on this.  In Colorado, we (they) have this question come up
>>>>> most often at Outreach booths and the LPCO took a firm position on it to
>>>>> quell any confusion that may have been the result of differing statements
>>>>> than our candidates have made considering guns and watch lists and the
>>>>> direction of the current administration, particularly considering that
>>>>> "ant-government types, such as libertarians" have been targetted for
>>>>> watchlists over the past year and as campaign fear-mongering takes place,
>>>>> is certain to remain an issue.  However, Joshua is right.  There are other
>>>>> multiple issues that could be addressed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me lay out the frank concerns of the Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> (via the State Chair)  which I am sure is shared by many members and
>>>>> affiliates.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are three issues which are in the news about which the position
>>>>> of our Party is being muddled.  Freedom of association, drug laws, and gun
>>>>> rights.  Massive changes in freedom of association laws are not going to
>>>>> happen tomorrow.  Drugs other than pot are not going to be legalized
>>>>> tomorrow.  Gun rights restrictions and watch lists are happening right NOW
>>>>> and we need to take a stand now and be crystal crystal clear as national
>>>>> leadership.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Joshua Katz <
>>>>> planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think this is, if such a phrase makes sense, among the worst and
>>>>>> most dangerous forms of gun control.  It's also among the most insidious,
>>>>>> which is even more disturbing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I therefore am supportive, but I'd be curious to hear why we are
>>>>>> singling out this issue, among the many offenses against our freedom that
>>>>>> are discussed heavily in the policy world.  I don't think anyone would be
>>>>>> surprised to hear we favor gun rights and due process - at least those who
>>>>>> know us, since, after all, one can in fact be surprised more generally by
>>>>>> such a shocking "left and right" combination.  I don't think this will be
>>>>>> news to anyone about this party, is what I mean to say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps more broadly - what is the purpose of this resolution?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I can be helped to see this, I will likely cosponsor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In furtherance of the request from CO and now AZ for the LNC to
>>>>>>> consider a resolution similar to the CO Gun Rights and Watch Lists
>>>>>>> Resolution, I offer this and seek co-sponsors
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WHEREAS, Libertarians affirm that self-defense is an inherent human
>>>>>>> right;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party opposes all laws at
>>>>>>> any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the
>>>>>>> ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party affirms the right of
>>>>>>> due process and deny the legitimacy of “victimless crimes”;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WHEREAS, the government has steadily encroached upon these rights by
>>>>>>> illegitimately regulating and restricting access for firearms and ammunition
>>>>>>> and may further seek to deprive people who have been convicted of
>>>>>>> no crime of their inherent right to full self-defense by denying their civil
>>>>>>> and inherent rights to obtain firearms and ammunition;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian Party opposes any policy which
>>>>>>> would deny access to any firearms or ammunition to any person simply for
>>>>>>> being placed on any government watch or no-fly list and reaffirms its call
>>>>>>> to repeal and oppose any existing or proposed firearm and ammunition
>>>>>>> regulations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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