[Lnc-business] Amended Gun Rights/Watch List Resolution - seeking co-sponsors

Caryn Ann Harlos carynannharlos at gmail.com
Wed Aug 10 08:35:05 EDT 2016 

David I think that might a bit afield from the intent and Starchild's stays
closer.

So from what I understand there are enough co-sponsors on the Starchild
amendment and on the original.  I support both but with the blessing of
the CO Chair prefer the Starchild version which now has:

Starchild, Harlos, Vohra, Demarest

On Wednesday, August 10, 2016, David Demarest <dpdemarest at centurylink.net>
wrote:

> I have reviewed the original and stronger language versions and will vote
> in favor of the stronger version which does an excellent job of getting to
> the heart of the matter, specifically what prompted the motion, and
> includes the necessary precisely detailed language.
>
> I would suggest adding the following if appropriate after wordsmithing,
> although this is more of a philosophical statement reflecting my personal
> perspective on the matter:
>
>
>
> Whereas: We affirm not only the right of all citizens to own and bear arms
> but also the need to stop abdicating our responsibility to protect
> ourselves to the government which the government can then use against us.
> Further, a well-armed citizenry is the best deterrent to both internal and
> external aggression and, rather than increasing the risk of violence, it
> would save many lives. [This is off the cuff - significant wordsmithing
> needed]
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> *Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE!*
>
>
>
> ~David Pratt Demarest
>
> http://www.lpne.org
>
> secretary at lpne.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','secretary at lpne.org');>
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> dpdemarest at centurylink.net
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> david.demarest at firstdata.com
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> Cell: 402-981-6469
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> Home: 402-493-0873
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> Office: 402-222-7207
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> *From:* David Demarest [mailto:dpdemarest at centurylink.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dpdemarest at centurylink.net');>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2016 7:06 AM
> *To:* 'lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business at hq.lp.org');>' <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business at hq.lp.org');>>
> *Cc:* david.demarest at firstdata.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','david.demarest at firstdata.com');>; 'David
> Demarest' <dpdemarest at centurylink.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dpdemarest at centurylink.net');>>
> *Subject:* RE: [Lnc-business] Amended Gun Rights/Watch List Resolution -
> seeking co-sponsors
>
>
>
> Thanks Caryn. I am reviewing the stronger version as we speak and am
> leaning toward supporting the stronger version. I have not heard any
> justification for not going with the stronger version other than some will
> not vote in favor of it. I am willing to listen any justification.
>
>
>
> ~David Pratt Demarest
>
> http://www.lpne.org
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> secretary at lpne.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','secretary at lpne.org');>
>
> dpdemarest at centurylink.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dpdemarest at centurylink.net');>
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> david.demarest at firstdata.com
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> Cell: 402-981-6469
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> Home: 402-493-0873
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> Office: 402-222-7207
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org');>] *On
> Behalf Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2016 6:51 AM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business at hq.lp.org');>
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Amended Gun Rights/Watch List Resolution -
> seeking co-sponsors
>
>
>
> I am sorry, I hit send too soon.... But my request is that we hold off
> going to ballot until members who might be tied up - particularly with
> ballot access can weigh in.
>
>
>
> Sponsor tally thus far:
>
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>
> My original resolution: Harlos, Hays, Katz, Goldstein, Vohra
>
> Starchild's amended resolution: Starchild, Harlos, Vohra
>
> On Wednesday, August 10, 2016, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','carynannharlos at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> As I said before, I do support Starchild's language and if there were
> support for that motion, I would support the changes and will solicit
> the CO Chair's thoughts since I submitted the original resolution at their
> request.
>
>
>
> I heard from another LNC member who may wish to weigh in but was tied up
> with ballot access issues and I ask that we wait until this member can
> weigh in.
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 9, 2016, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all - I'm happy to cosponsor or vote for either motion.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:29 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','carynannharlos at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> Hi Tim, I did, and had the requisite support.  For some reason your
> message keep ending up in spam :(
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sfdreamer at earthlink.net');>> wrote:
>
> Sam, Joshua, and Daniel, what are your issues with the changes I proposed?
> All of you have expressed a preference for the original language, but no
> one has said anything about why.
>
>
>
> Love & Liberty,
>
>                                  ((( starchild )))
>
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>
>                              (415) 625-FREE
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>
> On Aug 9, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Joshua Katz wrote:
>
>
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> I too would rather go with the original language.
>
>
> Joshua A. Katz
>
> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
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>
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 10:03 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','danielehayes at icloud.com');>> wrote:
>
> I am sticking with the motion sponsored by Harlos, Hayes, Katz, and,
> Goldstein.
>
>
>
> Daniel Hayes
>
> LNC At Large Member
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Aug 9, 2016, at 8:41 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> I support the language I offered to co-sponsor.
>
>
>
> Live Free,
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sam Goldstein
>
> Libertarian National Committee
>
> Member at Large
>
> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
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> Indianapolis IN 46260
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> 317-850-0726 Phone
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> 317-582-1773 Fax
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> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','carynannharlos at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> I have to confess that the whole email ballot thing is cumbersome.
>
>
>
> How do the current co-sponsors feel about these changes?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sfdreamer at earthlink.net');>> wrote:
>
> I'd like to co-sponsor, but putting on my wordsmith hat, request the
> motion be reworded with the following typographical and substantive
> changes, if this is amenable to the sponsor, to read as follows (changes in
> red):
>
> WHEREAS, Libertarians affirm that self-defense is an inherent human right;
>
> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party opposes all laws at any
> level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership,
> manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition;
>
> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party affirms the right of due
> process and denies the legitimacy of laws against victimless "crimes”; and
>
> WHEREAS, the governments in the United States have has steadily
> encroached upon these rights by illegitimately regulating and restricting
> access for to firearms and ammunition and may further seek to deprive
> people who have been convicted of no crime of their inherent right to full
>  abrogate civil rights, and indeed the basic human right, to self-defense
> by prohibiting access denying their civil and inherent rights to obtain
> firearms and ammunition even in cases where a person has not been
> convicted of any crime; and
>
> WHEREAS some recent statements by Libertarian candidates appearing in the
> media have the potential to cause confusion among members of the public
> regarding how Libertarians view these issues;
>
> THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian National Committee opposes
> any law or policy which would deny or restrict any person's access to any
> firearms or ammunition to any person simply for being placed as a result
> of their name appearing on any a government watch or no-fly list, and
> reaffirms its both our party's opposition to any further and
> oppose existing or proposed regulations on firearms and ammunition as
> described above and our demand that all such existing regulations be
> repealed, and calls upon Libertarian candidates to uphold our party's
> pro-freedom stance.
>
> Love & Liberty,
>
>                                  ((( starchild )))
>
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>
>                                (415) 625-FREE
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 9, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Joshua Katz wrote:
>
>
>
> I will also cosponsor this one.
>
>
> Joshua A. Katz
>
> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','carynannharlos at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> In furtherance of the request from CO and now AZ (and likely WA) for the
> LNC to consider a resolution similar to the CO Gun Rights and Watch Lists
> Resolution, and Sam Goldstein's commentary on my prior request, I offer a
> motion to adopt the following resolution:
>
> WHEREAS, Libertarians affirm that self-defense is an inherent human right;
>
> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party opposes all laws at any
> level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership,
> manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition;
>
> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party affirms the right of due
> process and deny the legitimacy of “victimless crimes”;
>
> WHEREAS, the government has steadily encroached upon these rights by
> illegitimately regulating and restricting access for firearms
> and ammunition and may further seek to deprive people who have been
> convicted of no crime of their inherent right to full self-defense by
> denying their civil and inherent rights to obtain firearms and ammunition;
>
> BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian National Committee opposes any
> policy which would deny access to any firearms or ammunition to any person
> simply for being placed on any government watch or no-fly list and
> reaffirms its call to repeal and oppose any existing or proposed firearm
> and ammunition regulations.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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> *In Liberty,*
>
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Harlos at LP.org');>
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> Harlos at LP.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Harlos at LP.org');>
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> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
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> Harlos at LP.org
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> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org');>
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*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
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