[Lnc-business] Amended Gun Rights/Watch List Resolution - seeking co-sponsors

Wed Aug 10 08:50:31 EDT 2016

Per discussion with Caryn, I withdraw my suggested philosophical addition. I will vote in favor of Starchild’s original stronger version without my suggested addition.

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Subject: RE: [Lnc-business] Amended Gun Rights/Watch List Resolution - seeking co-sponsors

I have reviewed the original and stronger language versions and will vote in favor of the stronger version which does an excellent job of getting to the heart of the matter, specifically what prompted the motion, and includes the necessary precisely detailed language.

I would suggest adding the following if appropriate after wordsmithing, although this is more of a philosophical statement reflecting my personal perspective on the matter:

Whereas: We affirm not only the right of all citizens to own and bear arms but also the need to stop abdicating our responsibility to protect ourselves to the government which the government can then use against us. Further, a well-armed citizenry is the best deterrent to both internal and external aggression and, rather than increasing the risk of violence, it would save many lives. [This is off the cuff - significant wordsmithing needed]

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Subject: RE: [Lnc-business] Amended Gun Rights/Watch List Resolution - seeking co-sponsors

Thanks Caryn. I am reviewing the stronger version as we speak and am leaning toward supporting the stronger version. I have not heard any justification for not going with the stronger version other than some will not vote in favor of it. I am willing to listen any justification.

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From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Caryn Ann Harlos
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 6:51 AM
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Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Amended Gun Rights/Watch List Resolution - seeking co-sponsors

I am sorry, I hit send too soon.... But my request is that we hold off going to ballot until members who might be tied up - particularly with ballot access can weigh in.

Sponsor tally thus far:

My original resolution: Harlos, Hays, Katz, Goldstein, Vohra

Starchild's amended resolution: Starchild, Harlos, Vohra

On Wednesday, August 10, 2016, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com> > wrote:

As I said before, I do support Starchild's language and if there were support for that motion, I would support the changes and will solicit the CO Chair's thoughts since I submitted the original resolution at their request.

I heard from another LNC member who may wish to weigh in but was tied up with ballot access issues and I ask that we wait until this member can weigh in.

On Tuesday, August 9, 2016, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','votevohra at gmail.com');> > wrote:

Hi all - I'm happy to cosponsor or vote for either motion. 

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:29 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Tim, I did, and had the requisite support.  For some reason your message keep ending up in spam :(

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net <mailto:sfdreamer at earthlink.net> > wrote:

Sam, Joshua, and Daniel, what are your issues with the changes I proposed? All of you have expressed a preference for the original language, but no one has said anything about why.

Love & Liberty,

                                 ((( starchild )))

At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee

                             (415) 625-FREE

On Aug 9, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Joshua Katz wrote:

I too would rather go with the original language. 

Joshua A. Katz

Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 10:03 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com <mailto:danielehayes at icloud.com> > wrote:

I am sticking with the motion sponsored by Harlos, Hayes, Katz, and, Goldstein.

Daniel Hayes

LNC At Large Member

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On Aug 9, 2016, at 8:41 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com <mailto:goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> > wrote:

I support the language I offered to co-sponsor.

Live Free,

Sam Goldstein

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On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com> > wrote:

I have to confess that the whole email ballot thing is cumbersome. 

How do the current co-sponsors feel about these changes?

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net <mailto:sfdreamer at earthlink.net> > wrote:

I'd like to co-sponsor, but putting on my wordsmith hat, request the motion be reworded with the following typographical and substantive changes, if this is amenable to the sponsor, to read as follows (changes in red):

WHEREAS, Libertarians affirm that self-defense is an inherent human right;

WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party opposes all laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition;

WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party affirms the right of due process and denies the legitimacy of laws against victimless "crimes”; and

WHEREAS, the governments in the United States have has steadily encroached upon these rights by illegitimately regulating and restricting access for to firearms and ammunition and may further seek to deprive people who have been convicted of no crime of their inherent right to full abrogate civil rights, and indeed the basic human right, to self-defense by prohibiting access denying their civil and inherent rights to obtain firearms and ammunition even in cases where a person has not been convicted of any crime; and

WHEREAS some recent statements by Libertarian candidates appearing in the media have the potential to cause confusion among members of the public regarding how Libertarians view these issues;

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian National Committee opposes any law or policy which would deny or restrict any person's access to any firearms or ammunition to any person simply for being placed as a result of their name appearing on any a government watch or no-fly list, and reaffirms its both our party's opposition to any further and oppose existing or proposed regulations on firearms and ammunition as described above and our demand that all such existing regulations be repealed, and calls upon Libertarian candidates to uphold our party's pro-freedom stance.

Love & Liberty,

                                 ((( starchild )))

At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee

                               (415) 625-FREE

On Aug 9, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Joshua Katz wrote:

I will also cosponsor this one.

Joshua A. Katz

Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com> > wrote:

In furtherance of the request from CO and now AZ (and likely WA) for the LNC to consider a resolution similar to the CO Gun Rights and Watch Lists Resolution, and Sam Goldstein's commentary on my prior request, I offer a motion to adopt the following resolution:

WHEREAS, Libertarians affirm that self-defense is an inherent human right;

WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party opposes all laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition;

WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party affirms the right of due process and deny the legitimacy of “victimless crimes”;

WHEREAS, the government has steadily encroached upon these rights by illegitimately regulating and restricting access for firearms and ammunition and may further seek to deprive people who have been convicted of no crime of their inherent right to full self-defense by denying their civil and inherent rights to obtain firearms and ammunition;

BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian National Committee opposes any policy which would deny access to any firearms or ammunition to any person simply for being placed on any government watch or no-fly list and reaffirms its call to repeal and oppose any existing or proposed firearm and ammunition regulations.

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