[Lnc-business] LP Puerto Rico motion

Fri Aug 12 21:12:13 EDT 2016

If the language about the Bylaws Committee were changed to Joshua's
recommendations I would co-sponsor.

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*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>

On Friday, August 12, 2016, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would cosponsor if the language about the Bylaws Committee matched
> Starchild's description.  Maybe:
>
> and Be it Further Resolved, that it is the sense of the Libertarian
> national Committee that the 2018 National Convention Bylaws Committee
> should create a Bylaws amendment establishing delegate representation for
> all Party Sustaining members who do not live in a current affiliate."
> I don't want to say the LNC will support it because, first, the LNC
> shouldn't, in my view, take such a position, and second, we haven't even
> seen the proposal yet.
>
> Joshua A. Katz
> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 7:09 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sfdreamer at earthlink.net');>> wrote:
>
>> The delegate apportionment seems like a technical detail that should be
>> able to be worked out without excessive difficulty.
>>
>> Regarding directing members of the Bylaws Committee to create and support
>> an amendment in accordance with this motion, I think that would be kind of
>> like how delegates are sent to the national Democrat and Republican
>> conventions with instructions to vote for a particular candidate. Such
>> instructions are non-binding, but carry some weight. I rather like the idea
>> of getting more focus on what appointees to that committee actually intend
>> to do on the committee.
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>>                                 ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>                               (415) 625-FREE
>>
>>
>> On Aug 12, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>
>> I am in agreement with that analysis - and I reiterate my concern over
>> changes that would be suggested that effect delegate apportionment
>>
>> .
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 12, 2016, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','planning4liberty at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> In general, I'm supportive.  A few thoughts:
>>>
>>> "Shall" is a confusing word.  It generally expresses something
>>> mandatory, which is what differentiates it from "may."  Sometimes, it's
>>> less clear, though.  For example:
>>>
>>> Every citizen shall, upon viewing a murder, call the police.
>>>
>>> Am I in violation if I never see a murder?  Of course not, the shall
>>> only kicks in when the hypotheses is met.
>>>
>>> The bylaws say that the LNC shall charter as affiliates any qualifying
>>> organization requesting such status.  If no such organization requests such
>>> status, do we need to go looking for one, or calling upon them to request
>>> it?  I think not, unless the rule above means I need to go find a murder.
>>>
>>> However, there's also nothing wrong with doing so.
>>>
>>>  I am concerned about the instructions to the Bylaws Committee, though.
>>> We can ask our appointees to consider something; we can even select
>>> appointees on the basis of their inclination to do it.  I don't think the
>>> latter is a good idea, but we could do it.  Can we make the committee
>>> create and support an amendment, though?  How will it work?  If the
>>> committee votes against it, what will we do against it?  What if the
>>> committee votes in favor, but puts it last in the report?
>>>
>>> I think I could support this more easily if the committee were simply
>>> directed to consider the idea.
>>>
>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Patrick McKnight <
>>> patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I make the following motion on behalf of Dr. Phillies:
>>>>
>>>> "Whereas, our Bylaws provide "The National Committee shall charter
>>>> state-level affiliate parties from any qualifying organization
>>>> requesting such status in each state, territory and the District of
>>>> Columbia (hereinafter, state)" and
>>>>
>>>> Whereas no affiliate is currently recognized from any of the inhabited
>>>> Territories of the United States,
>>>>
>>>> Therefore, Be It Resolved that the Libertarian National Committee
>>>> encourages the Partido Libertario de Puerto Rico (Libertarian Party of
>>>> Puerto Rico) to prepare for and apply to become an affiliate of our
>>>> Libertarian Party, and
>>>>
>>>> Be It Further Resolved, that the Libertarian National Committee
>>>> encourages the Libertarians in America's other Territories to organize
>>>> themselves as Libertarian political groups that advance to apply for
>>>> affiliate status,
>>>>
>>>> and Be it Further Resolved, that the Libertarian national Committee
>>>> directs its appointees to the 2018 National Convention Bylaws Committee to
>>>> create and support a Bylaws amendment establishing delegate representation
>>>> for all Party Sustaining members who do not live in a current affiliate."
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Patrick McKnight
>>>> Region 8 Rep
>>>>
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>>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org');>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>>
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-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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