[Lnc-business] LP Puerto Rico motion

[Joshua Katz]

I would cosponsor if the language about the Bylaws Committee matched
Starchild's description.  Maybe:

and Be it Further Resolved, that it is the sense of the Libertarian
national Committee that the 2018 National Convention Bylaws Committee
should create a Bylaws amendment establishing delegate representation for
all Party Sustaining members who do not live in a current affiliate."
I don't want to say the LNC will support it because, first, the LNC
shouldn't, in my view, take such a position, and second, we haven't even
seen the proposal yet.

Joshua A. Katz
Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 7:09 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:

> The delegate apportionment seems like a technical detail that should be
> able to be worked out without excessive difficulty.
>
> Regarding directing members of the Bylaws Committee to create and support
> an amendment in accordance with this motion, I think that would be kind of
> like how delegates are sent to the national Democrat and Republican
> conventions with instructions to vote for a particular candidate. Such
> instructions are non-binding, but carry some weight. I rather like the idea
> of getting more focus on what appointees to that committee actually intend
> to do on the committee.
>
> Love & Liberty,
>                                 ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>                               (415) 625-FREE
>
>
> On Aug 12, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> I am in agreement with that analysis - and I reiterate my concern over
> changes that would be suggested that effect delegate apportionment
>
> .
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 12, 2016, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> In general, I'm supportive.  A few thoughts:
>>
>> "Shall" is a confusing word.  It generally expresses something mandatory,
>> which is what differentiates it from "may."  Sometimes, it's less clear,
>> though.  For example:
>>
>> Every citizen shall, upon viewing a murder, call the police.
>>
>> Am I in violation if I never see a murder?  Of course not, the shall only
>> kicks in when the hypotheses is met.
>>
>> The bylaws say that the LNC shall charter as affiliates any qualifying
>> organization requesting such status.  If no such organization requests such
>> status, do we need to go looking for one, or calling upon them to request
>> it?  I think not, unless the rule above means I need to go find a murder.
>>
>> However, there's also nothing wrong with doing so.
>>
>>  I am concerned about the instructions to the Bylaws Committee, though.
>> We can ask our appointees to consider something; we can even select
>> appointees on the basis of their inclination to do it.  I don't think the
>> latter is a good idea, but we could do it.  Can we make the committee
>> create and support an amendment, though?  How will it work?  If the
>> committee votes against it, what will we do against it?  What if the
>> committee votes in favor, but puts it last in the report?
>>
>> I think I could support this more easily if the committee were simply
>> directed to consider the idea.
>>
>> Joshua A. Katz
>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Patrick McKnight <
>> patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I make the following motion on behalf of Dr. Phillies:
>>>
>>> "Whereas, our Bylaws provide "The National Committee shall charter
>>> state-level affiliate parties from any qualifying organization
>>> requesting such status in each state, territory and the District of
>>> Columbia (hereinafter, state)" and
>>>
>>> Whereas no affiliate is currently recognized from any of the inhabited
>>> Territories of the United States,
>>>
>>> Therefore, Be It Resolved that the Libertarian National Committee
>>> encourages the Partido Libertario de Puerto Rico (Libertarian Party of
>>> Puerto Rico) to prepare for and apply to become an affiliate of our
>>> Libertarian Party, and
>>>
>>> Be It Further Resolved, that the Libertarian National Committee
>>> encourages the Libertarians in America's other Territories to organize
>>> themselves as Libertarian political groups that advance to apply for
>>> affiliate status,
>>>
>>> and Be it Further Resolved, that the Libertarian national Committee
>>> directs its appointees to the 2018 National Convention Bylaws Committee to
>>> create and support a Bylaws amendment establishing delegate representation
>>> for all Party Sustaining members who do not live in a current affiliate."
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Patrick McKnight
>>> Region 8 Rep
>>>
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>>>
>>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
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