[Lnc-business] LP Puerto Rico motion

Sat Aug 13 17:41:50 EDT 2016

If requested, I will also co-sponsor the part before the AND with one minor wordsmithing suggestion: 

In the last paragraph before the “AND”, I suggest the following substitution:

Change:           …[that advance to] apply for affiliate status, 

To:                          …[and] apply for affiliate status,

The paragraph after the “AND” is an interesting and well-intended suggestion. However, the current wording, if I understand it correctly, is somewhat vague and might open the door for unintended consequences including “convention stuffing” in favor of specific candidates as was alleged to have occurred at the Orlando convention by taking advantage of states filling their delegation gaps with qualified Libertarians from other states. I would like to see different wording in a separate motion but would expect objections by existing affiliates regarding potential skewed representation consequences.

Thoughts?

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~David Pratt Demarest

Secretary, Nebraska Libertarian State Central Committee

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Nebraska State Coordinator, LP Radical Caucus

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From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Caryn Ann Harlos
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 3:48 PM
To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
Cc: Demarest, David P. <david.demarest at firstdata.com>
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] LP Puerto Rico motion

If a request for co sponsors is made, I will co-sponsor the part before the AND.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Patrick McKnight <patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com <mailto:patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com> > wrote:

>From Dr Phillies...

"As my name was invoked as the author of the motion:

1) I suggest removing argument via division of the motion between

    "Whereas, our Bylaws provide "The National Committee shall charter
    state-level affiliate parties from any qualifying organization
    requesting such status in each state, territory and the District of
    Columbia (hereinafter, state)" and

    Whereas no affiliate is currently recognized from any of the
    inhabited Territories of the United States,

    Therefore, Be It Resolved that the Libertarian National Committee
    encourages the Partido Libertario de Puerto Rico (Libertarian Party
    of Puerto Rico) to prepare for and apply to become an affiliate of
    our Libertarian Party, and

    Be It Further Resolved, that the Libertarian National Committee
    encourages the Libertarians in America's other Territories to
    organize themselves as Libertarian political groups that advance to
    apply for affiliate status,

AND

    and Be it Further Resolved, that the Libertarian national Committee
    directs its appointees to the 2018 National Convention Bylaws
    Committee to create and support a Bylaws amendment establishing
    delegate representation for all Party Sustaining members who do not
    live in a current affiliate."

2) With respect to the Partido Libertario de Puerto Rico, I urge being pro-active about pursuing them.

3) With respect to the people living abroad, there is this remarkable invention known as the internet, so it is straightforward for them to organize especially with a little help.

In two other notes: (1) I have a volunteer who is a native speaker of Russian and would be available--up to some point--to translate our literature into Russian.

(2) Please thank the staff for their great dispatch in sending me 2000 bumper stickers, all with the word "Libertarian" front and center."

On Aug 13, 2016 11:15 AM, "David Demarest" <dpdemarest at centurylink.net <mailto:dpdemarest at centurylink.net> > wrote:

Caryn, Patrick: If needed, I offer to co-sponsor a revised proposal that addresses any bylaws concerns.

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~David Pratt Demarest

Secretary, Nebraska Libertarian State Central Committee

Region 6 Representative, Libertarian National Committee

Nebraska State Coordinator, LP Radical Caucus

Secretary at LPNE.org <mailto:Secretary at LPNE.org> 

David.Demarest at LP.org <mailto:David.Demarest at LP.org>  

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From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org> ] On Behalf Of Caryn Ann Harlos
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 9:53 AM
To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org> 
Subject: [Lnc-business] LP Puerto Rico motion

Phillies is not opposed to rewording the bylaws part.

Patrick can you offer a revised proposal?  I think you will get sufficient co-sponsors if you do.

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Caryn Ann Harlos

Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org <mailto:Harlos at LP.org> 

Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado <http://www.lpcolorado.org/> 

Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/> 

On Saturday, August 13, 2016, David Demarest <dpdemarest at centurylink.net <mailto:dpdemarest at centurylink.net> > wrote:

Caryn, based on your input below, it sounds like there is plenty of interest from Puerto Rico which answers my question.

Let’s go for it. Bylaws or no bylaws, I can’t fathom a reason for not wanting an affiliate in a U.S. territory.

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~David Pratt Demarest

Secretary, Nebraska Libertarian State Central Committee

Region 6 Representative, Libertarian National Committee

Nebraska State Coordinator, LP Radical Caucus

Secretary at LPNE.org <mailto:Secretary at LPNE.org> 

David.Demarest at LP.org <mailto:David.Demarest at LP.org>  

DPDemarest at centurylink.net <mailto:DPDemarest at centurylink.net>  

David.Demarest at firstdata.com <mailto:David.Demarest at firstdata.com> 

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From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Caryn Ann Harlos
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 11:02 PM
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Cc: Demarest, David P. <david.demarest at firstdata.com <mailto:david.demarest at firstdata.com> >
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] LP Puerto Rico motion

David if the current group does not wish to affiliate that should not stop us from encouraging a group to affiliate.  Why wouldn't we extend the invitation?  The National Facebook Page gets regular inquiries about a potential affiliate in Puerto Rico.

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In Liberty,

Caryn Ann Harlos

Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org <mailto:Harlos at LP.org> 

Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado <http://www.lpcolorado.org/> 

Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/> 

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 9:59 PM, David Demarest <dpdemarest at centurylink.net <mailto:dpdemarest at centurylink.net> > wrote:

Ditto Caryn, I support encouraging a Puerto Rico affiliate but agree with Brett that we should first check with Puerto Rico to see if they want one. Whether or not that has already done was not clear to me.

Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE!

~David Pratt Demarest

Secretary, Nebraska Libertarian State Central Committee

Region 6 Representative, Libertarian National Committee

Nebraska State Coordinator, LP Radical Caucus

Secretary at LPNE.org <mailto:Secretary at LPNE.org> 

David.Demarest at LP.org <mailto:David.Demarest at LP.org>  

DPDemarest at centurylink.net <mailto:DPDemarest at centurylink.net>  

David.Demarest at firstdata.com <mailto:David.Demarest at firstdata.com> 

Cell:      402-981-6469 <tel:402-981-6469> 

Home: 402-493-0873 <tel:402-493-0873> 

Office: 402-222-7207 <tel:402-222-7207> 

From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Caryn Ann Harlos
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 10:15 PM
To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org> 
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] LP Puerto Rico motion

I agree with Alicia's concern on the Bylaws request for members outside of affiliates.  That whole bylaws section is problematic and I have an issue with the LNC directing an independent committee in that manner. 

I have no issue with encouraging a Puerto Rico affiliate.

-- 

In Liberty,

Caryn Ann Harlos

Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org <mailto:Harlos at LP.org> 

Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado <http://www.lpcolorado.org/> 

Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/> 

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 9:02 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com <mailto:agmattson at gmail.com> > wrote:

I guess I don't see the point of the portion encouraging a Puerto Rican affiliate specifically, and I don't agree with the clause which would direct the Bylaws Committee to create delegate slots for members outside of affiliates.

Over the past two years, at least two and perhaps three times I was asked for a copy of the approved form to use for forming a new affiliate and was told the request was for Puerto Rico.  I never communicated with anyone actually from Puerto Rico, though, as the requests came to me through staff and a state chair.  So I don't know if someone in Puerto Rico actually wants to do it, or if other people just want someone there to do it.  Regardless, no group has yet submitted an application to become an affiliate, and if they do so, we'll charter an affiliate.

If there aren't the required handful of interested people there, I don't want to encourage creation of something that will would promptly atrophy.

Regarding delegate apportionment for members outside of affiliates:

1)  As of the official date for calculating delegates for the 2016 convention, there were only 61 sustaining party members outside of affiliates.

2)  Those members are spread all over the world, not grouped in close proximity in a region which could reasonably form some sort of functional organization and choose delegates to represent them.

3)  There are plenty of affiliates whose rules would permit those 61 members to be seated as convention delegates already if they are so inclined.

-Alicia

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Patrick McKnight <patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com <mailto:patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com> > wrote:

I make the following motion on behalf of Dr. Phillies:

"Whereas, our Bylaws provide "The National Committee shall charter state-level affiliate parties from any qualifying organization
requesting such status in each state, territory and the District of Columbia (hereinafter, state)" and

Whereas no affiliate is currently recognized from any of the inhabited Territories of the United States,

Therefore, Be It Resolved that the Libertarian National Committee encourages the Partido Libertario de Puerto Rico (Libertarian Party of Puerto Rico) to prepare for and apply to become an affiliate of our Libertarian Party, and

Be It Further Resolved, that the Libertarian National Committee encourages the Libertarians in America's other Territories to organize themselves as Libertarian political groups that advance to apply for affiliate status,

and Be it Further Resolved, that the Libertarian national Committee directs its appointees to the 2018 National Convention Bylaws Committee to create and support a Bylaws amendment establishing delegate representation for all Party Sustaining members who do not live in a current affiliate."

Thanks,
Patrick McKnight 
Region 8 Rep

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