[Lnc-business] Contract with campaign?

Sun Aug 28 21:58:02 EDT 2016

Optional would be much more likely to pass muster with groups such as the
Radical Caucus which opposed the last language, and I can only assume that
other groups and individuals did so for similar reasons (though their
exclusionary concerns might differ).  Having a required one puts way too
much control in the hands of the LNC - which might be for wonderful folks
such as us, but power is not given based on transitory officials.

-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:

> I think a good middle ground would be to have an *optional*
> pre-convention contract for candidates to sign. A mandatory pre-convention
> contract might include, either deliberately or accidentally, things that a
> principled libertarian candidate would not want to sign, and I believe that
> is one reason delegates rejected the idea. But with an optional contract –
> perhaps with a mandatory requirement that those choosing not to sign
> provide their reason(s) – delegates could see before voting who had signed
> and who had not, and evaluate for themselves the reason(s given by any
> candidate unwilling to do so.
>
> Love & Liberty,
>                                   ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>                                 (415) 625-FREE
>
>
> On Aug 27, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Sam Goldstein wrote:
>
> This entire ordeal is why the Bylaws Committee proposed a pre-convention
> contract signing requirement to be
> nominated.  The delegates didn't see it our way and we will be stuck with
> the same problem again in 2020.
>
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> Member at Large
> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
> Indianapolis IN 46260
> 317-850-0726 Phone
> 317-582-1773 Fax
>
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Speaking of the contract.   Is there something in there that says the
>> candidate should be telling people they are the LIBERTARIAN PARTY
>> Presidential candidate at every opportunity they can.  Maybe also that 95%
>> or more of their campaign literature and their media make it clear that
>> they are the Libertarian Party candidate for President and not some
>> independent?
>>
>>
>> I know a lot of people talk about branding.  If we provide something to
>> you to with the expectation that one of the things you do is promote our
>> brand that you think is worth 10 million dollars you should be doing that
>> every chance you get.  If instead you often say, you are the third Party or
>> that you are Independent, that is not promoting the brand that gave you a
>> platform.
>>
>> Throw in that in some places our candidate IS on the ballot as an
>> independent because it's cheaper or just not possible to be on as a
>> Libertarian and we have a bigger loss of value to the Party.
>>
>>
>> Hopefully this election frees up money in other places going forward and
>> we put a greater emphasis on making sure WE promote not just our
>> Presidential candidate but our brand in all 50 states.
>> Also, I hope that we do a better job of making sure the person designated
>> a spokesman for us at least speaks of us OFTEN.
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel Hayes
>> LNC At Large Member
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 23, 2016, at 4:18 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Nick... look forward to further updates.
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Nicholas Sarwark <chair at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Our attorney is still in contact with their attorney and we are told
>>> that there is a revised version that we should get soon.  It is not
>>> proceeding as quickly as I prefer.
>>>
>>> -Nick
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Is there any word?  A few members of my region have inquired.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > In Liberty,
>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona,
>>> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>> > Harlos at LP.org <Harlos at lp.org>
>>> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 5:50 PM, Sam Goldstein <
>>> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Mom, are we there yet?  I gotta pee.
>>> >>
>>> >> Sam Goldstein
>>> >> Libertarian National Committee
>>> >> Member at Large
>>> >> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>> >> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>> >> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>> >> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thank you Nick.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Nicholas J. Sarwark <chair at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> No change at present.  Our attorney continues to reach out to the
>>> >>>> campaign to get it finalized, but that has not been successful yet.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> In related news, he will be working on a memo with advice for state
>>> >>>> affiliates on the pros and cons of joining the joint fundraising
>>> committee.
>>> >>>> The LNC has not joined that committee yet and it is not my intent
>>> to do so
>>> >>>> in advance of a contract with the campaign being completed.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> -Nick
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Aug 9, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I am assuming this remains the same?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> In Liberty,
>>> >>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> >>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>> Washington) -
>>> >>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org <Harlos at lp.org>
>>> >>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> >>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Thank you Nick.  Is there any anticipated time frame or anything
>>> else
>>> >>>>> other than "no we don't have one" that I can tell inquiring
>>> members?   Are
>>> >>>>> there any planned updates to be given to LNC members, even if under
>>> >>>>> privilege?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> In Liberty,
>>> >>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> >>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>> Washington) -
>>> >>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org <Harlos at lp.org>
>>> >>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> >>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 12:10 PM, Nicholas Sarwark <chair at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> We still do not have a contract.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> -Nick
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>>>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>> > Is there any update?
>>> >>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>> > In Liberty,
>>> >>>>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>>>>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> >>>>>> > Arizona,
>>> >>>>>> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>> >>>>>> > Caryn.Ann.
>>> >>>>>> > Harlos at LP.org <Harlos at lp.org>
>>> >>>>>> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> >>>>>> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> >>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>> > On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>>>>> > <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> >> Thank you.  I was asked.
>>> >>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> >> On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Nicholas Sarwark <
>>> chair at lp.org>
>>> >>>>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>> >>> Not yet.
>>> >>>>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>> >>> -Nick
>>> >>>>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>> >>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>>>>> >>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>> >>> > Has a contract been signed?
>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>> >>>>>> >>> > --
>>> >>>>>> >>> > In Liberty,
>>> >>>>>> >>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>>>>> >>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>> (Alaska,
>>> >>>>>> >>> > Arizona,
>>> >>>>>> >>> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>> Washington) -
>>> >>>>>> >>> > Caryn.Ann.
>>> >>>>>> >>> > Harlos at LP.org <Harlos at lp.org>
>>> >>>>>> >>> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> >>>>>> >>> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>> >>>>>> >>> > _______________________________________________
>>> >>>>>> >>> > Lnc-business mailing list
>>> >>>>>> >>> > Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> >>>>>> >>> > http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>> >>>>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>>>> >>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>> >>>>>> >>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> >>>>>> >>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>> >>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> >> --
>>> >>>>>> >> In Liberty,
>>> >>>>>> >> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>>>>> >> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>> (Alaska,
>>> >>>>>> >> Arizona,
>>> >>>>>> >> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>> >>>>>> >> Caryn.Ann.
>>> >>>>>> >> Harlos at LP.org <Harlos at lp.org>
>>> >>>>>> >> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> >>>>>> >> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> >>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>> > --
>>> >>>>>> > In Liberty,
>>> >>>>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>>>>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> >>>>>> > Arizona,
>>> >>>>>> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>> >>>>>> > Caryn.Ann.
>>> >>>>>> > Harlos at LP.org <Harlos at lp.org>
>>> >>>>>> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> >>>>>> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> >>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> >>>>>> > Lnc-business mailing list
>>> >>>>>> > Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> >>>>>> > http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>> >>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>> >>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> >>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> --
>>> >>>>> In Liberty,
>>> >>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> >>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>> Washington) -
>>> >>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org <Harlos at lp.org>
>>> >>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> >>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> In Liberty,
>>> >>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> >>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>> Washington) -
>>> >>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org <Harlos at lp.org>
>>> >>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> >>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>> >>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> >>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>> >>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> >>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> In Liberty,
>>> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona,
>>> >>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>> >>> Harlos at LP.org <Harlos at lp.org>
>>> >>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> >>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>> >>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> >>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> Lnc-business mailing list
>>> >> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> >> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > In Liberty,
>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona,
>>> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>> > Harlos at LP.org <Harlos at lp.org>
>>> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Lnc-business mailing list
>>> > Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> > http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>> >
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Lnc-business mailing list
>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Lnc-business mailing list
>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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>

-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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