[Lnc-business] Contract with campaign?

Arvin Vohra votevohra at gmail.com
Sun Aug 28 22:18:59 EDT 2016 

Unfortunately, I am forced to agree with many of the concerns, and think
this is a good solution. An optional contract makes a lot of sense, as well
as a frank and open discussion before and during the convention. This
"independent" foolery is not only a bad strategy for the presidential
campaign, it is also removing major down ticket gains.

Part of the top of the ticket's job is to persuade voters that Libertarian
solutions are the right ones, and that the Libertarian party candidates
will bring those solutions. It's not enough to convince voters that the
candidates are experienced and mature. Frankly, no one cares.

People vote for actions. People are voting for Trump because he has
indicated the action of kicking out immigrants. They vote for Hillary
because she has indicated the action of increasing welfare and robbing the
rich.

But if you ask most non-Libertarians what actions presidential Johnson will
offer, it's far less than clear. They sometimes know he's a governor and a
nice guy. If that's all the campaign accomplishes by November, we will not
see the results we want.

Trump talks about kicking out immigrants every day all day. Gary talks
about eliminating some part of government around 10% of the time. That's a
good start, but not enough.

We've all heard Gary declare himself a proud Libertarian, and clearly talk
about how he will cut government. Not just what he has done, but what he
will do. We need the rest of America to know that, and also to know that
all other Libertarian candidates are working for the same goals.

In Liberty,

Arvin Vohra
Vice Chair
Libertarian National Committee


On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Optional would be much more likely to pass muster with groups such as the
> Radical Caucus which opposed the last language, and I can only assume that
> other groups and individuals did so for similar reasons (though their
> exclusionary concerns might differ).  Having a required one puts way too
> much control in the hands of the LNC - which might be for wonderful folks
> such as us, but power is not given based on transitory officials.
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I think a good middle ground would be to have an *optional*
>> pre-convention contract for candidates to sign. A mandatory pre-convention
>> contract might include, either deliberately or accidentally, things that a
>> principled libertarian candidate would not want to sign, and I believe that
>> is one reason delegates rejected the idea. But with an optional contract –
>> perhaps with a mandatory requirement that those choosing not to sign
>> provide their reason(s) – delegates could see before voting who had signed
>> and who had not, and evaluate for themselves the reason(s given by any
>> candidate unwilling to do so.
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>>                                   ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>                                 (415) 625-FREE
>>
>>
>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Sam Goldstein wrote:
>>
>> This entire ordeal is why the Bylaws Committee proposed a pre-convention
>> contract signing requirement to be
>> nominated.  The delegates didn't see it our way and we will be stuck with
>> the same problem again in 2020.
>>
>> Sam Goldstein
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> Member at Large
>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of the contract.   Is there something in there that says the
>>> candidate should be telling people they are the LIBERTARIAN PARTY
>>> Presidential candidate at every opportunity they can.  Maybe also that 95%
>>> or more of their campaign literature and their media make it clear that
>>> they are the Libertarian Party candidate for President and not some
>>> independent?
>>>
>>>
>>> I know a lot of people talk about branding.  If we provide something to
>>> you to with the expectation that one of the things you do is promote our
>>> brand that you think is worth 10 million dollars you should be doing that
>>> every chance you get.  If instead you often say, you are the third Party or
>>> that you are Independent, that is not promoting the brand that gave you a
>>> platform.
>>>
>>> Throw in that in some places our candidate IS on the ballot as an
>>> independent because it's cheaper or just not possible to be on as a
>>> Libertarian and we have a bigger loss of value to the Party.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hopefully this election frees up money in other places going forward and
>>> we put a greater emphasis on making sure WE promote not just our
>>> Presidential candidate but our brand in all 50 states.
>>> Also, I hope that we do a better job of making sure the person
>>> designated a spokesman for us at least speaks of us OFTEN.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel Hayes
>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 23, 2016, at 4:18 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Nick... look forward to further updates.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Nicholas Sarwark <chair at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Our attorney is still in contact with their attorney and we are told
>>>> that there is a revised version that we should get soon.  It is not
>>>> proceeding as quickly as I prefer.
>>>>
>>>> -Nick
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Is there any word?  A few members of my region have inquired.
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > In Liberty,
>>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona,
>>>> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>> > Harlos at LP.org <Harlos at lp.org>
>>>> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 5:50 PM, Sam Goldstein <
>>>> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Mom, are we there yet?  I gotta pee.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Sam Goldstein
>>>> >> Libertarian National Committee
>>>> >> Member at Large
>>>> >> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>>> >> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>>> >> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>>> >> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> >> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Thank you Nick.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Nicholas J. Sarwark <chair at lp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> No change at present.  Our attorney continues to reach out to the
>>>> >>>> campaign to get it finalized, but that has not been successful yet.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> In related news, he will be working on a memo with advice for state
>>>> >>>> affiliates on the pros and cons of joining the joint fundraising
>>>> committee.
>>>> >>>> The LNC has not joined that committee yet and it is not my intent
>>>> to do so
>>>> >>>> in advance of a contract with the campaign being completed.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> -Nick
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Aug 9, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I am assuming this remains the same?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> --
>>>> >>>> In Liberty,
>>>> >>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> >>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> >>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>>> Washington) -
>>>> >>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org <Harlos at lp.org>
>>>> >>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> >>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> >>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Thank you Nick.  Is there any anticipated time frame or anything
>>>> else
>>>> >>>>> other than "no we don't have one" that I can tell inquiring
>>>> members?   Are
>>>> >>>>> there any planned updates to be given to LNC members, even if
>>>> under
>>>> >>>>> privilege?
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> >>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> >>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> >>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>>> Washington) -
>>>> >>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org <Harlos at lp.org>
>>>> >>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> >>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 12:10 PM, Nicholas Sarwark <chair at lp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> We still do not have a contract.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> -Nick
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> >>>>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>> > Is there any update?
>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>> > In Liberty,
>>>> >>>>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> >>>>>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>> (Alaska,
>>>> >>>>>> > Arizona,
>>>> >>>>>> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>> >>>>>> > Caryn.Ann.
>>>> >>>>>> > Harlos at LP.org <Harlos at lp.org>
>>>> >>>>>> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> >>>>>> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>> > On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> >>>>>> > <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>>> >> Thank you.  I was asked.
>>>> >>>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>>> >> On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Nicholas Sarwark <
>>>> chair at lp.org>
>>>> >>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>> >>> Not yet.
>>>> >>>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>> >>> -Nick
>>>> >>>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>> >>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> >>>>>> >>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>> >>> > Has a contract been signed?
>>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>>>>> >>> > --
>>>> >>>>>> >>> > In Liberty,
>>>> >>>>>> >>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> >>>>>> >>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>> (Alaska,
>>>> >>>>>> >>> > Arizona,
>>>> >>>>>> >>> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>>> Washington) -
>>>> >>>>>> >>> > Caryn.Ann.
>>>> >>>>>> >>> > Harlos at LP.org <Harlos at lp.org>
>>>> >>>>>> >>> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> >>>>>> >>> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical
>>>> Caucus
>>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>>>>> >>> > _______________________________________________
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>>>> >>>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>>>>> >>>
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>>>> >>>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>>> >> --
>>>> >>>>>> >> In Liberty,
>>>> >>>>>> >> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> >>>>>> >> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>> (Alaska,
>>>> >>>>>> >> Arizona,
>>>> >>>>>> >> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
>>>> -
>>>> >>>>>> >> Caryn.Ann.
>>>> >>>>>> >> Harlos at LP.org <Harlos at lp.org>
>>>> >>>>>> >> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> >>>>>> >> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> >>>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>> > --
>>>> >>>>>> > In Liberty,
>>>> >>>>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> >>>>>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>> (Alaska,
>>>> >>>>>> > Arizona,
>>>> >>>>>> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>> >>>>>> > Caryn.Ann.
>>>> >>>>>> > Harlos at LP.org <Harlos at lp.org>
>>>> >>>>>> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> >>>>>> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> --
>>>> >>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> >>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> >>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> >>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>>> Washington) -
>>>> >>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org <Harlos at lp.org>
>>>> >>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> >>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> --
>>>> >>>> In Liberty,
>>>> >>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> >>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> >>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>>> Washington) -
>>>> >>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org <Harlos at lp.org>
>>>> >>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> >>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
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>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> --
>>>> >>> In Liberty,
>>>> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> >>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona,
>>>> >>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>> >>> Harlos at LP.org <Harlos at lp.org>
>>>> >>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> >>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
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>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > In Liberty,
>>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona,
>>>> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>> > Harlos at LP.org <Harlos at lp.org>
>>>> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>
>
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