[Lnc-business] Results of Doodle

Fri Sep 16 16:43:14 EDT 2016

Yes. And it is the duty of this Body to make every effort to attend duly
called meetings.

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*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>

On Friday, September 16, 2016, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org> wrote:

>
> I agree with your assessment.  But a regular quorum will still be required
> to actually conduct business, based on my reading of the rules.
>
> ---
>
> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
> LPKY Judicial Committee
>
>
>
> On 2016-09-16 16:21, Joshua Katz wrote:
>
> I tried; that's what the Doodle poll was supposed to do.  6 people voted.
> Of those, 5 could attend on this date, and it was the unique most-voted
> date.  I would have more information if voter turnout had been greater than
> (counting voting members) 33%.  Obviously, it was unofficial and no one was
> obligated to vote - I have never understood why we spend so much energy
> tossing dates around on this list when we've known for centuries the value
> of aggregating that sort of data and displaying it visually.
>
> The proposed topics were posted with the original request.  I then
> reposted them when I asked for more corequestors.  I also proposed an
> agenda at that time:  although the chair proposes the agenda, I think I can
> propose one to be proposed.  The chair is free to modify it, naturally.
> The topics were:
>
> Amend Something Previously Adopted - Budget
> Population of Committees
> Committee Transparency
>
> There was a request to handle committee transparency before population of
> committees, opposite my proposed proposed agenda.  The chair has the
> discretion to flip it, and the body of course has the ability to flip it at
> the meeting.
>
> This is, I'm pretty sure, the first time a videoconference has been called
> by a minority of the body (it's only the second time we've held one) but
> this isn't some weird loophole in the rules.  It's what the rules
> explicitly authorize.  Those rules, for the benefit of those who are new,
> came out of a committee recommendation last term.  The rules also allow, as
> an aside, for cancellation or amendment of the agenda items.
>
> Joshua A. Katz
> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ken.moellman at lpky.org');>> wrote:
>
>>
>> Can we find out who can attend this meeting?
>>
>> It sounds as though Region 3 will not be able to attend.  Mr. Bittner has
>> a packed schedule that weekend and cannot attend, and I fly for work early
>> on Monday morning (Eastern Time) making a late conference call unreasonable.
>>
>> I believe that we have also heard that our Chairman would not be in
>> attendance, as well.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2016-09-15 23:45, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>
>> There are now six LNC members requesting this meeting (the 1/3 threshold
>> is reached).
>>
>> Katz, Hayes, Harlos, Demarest, McKnight, and Hewitt.
>>
>> Will the Chair please set the meeting?
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 9:06 PM, hdigger2004 <hdigger2004 at aol.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hdigger2004 at aol.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> I also request the teleconference on Sept. 25th. Jeff Hewitt Region 4
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S® 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Patrick McKnight <patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com');>>
>>> Date: 9/15/2016 6:15 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business at hq.lp.org');>
>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Results of Doodle
>>>
>>> I also request the above mentioned teleconference.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Patrick McKnight
>>> Region 8 Rep
>>>
>>> On Sep 15, 2016 2:18 PM, "Joshua Katz" <planning4liberty at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','planning4liberty at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> To be clear, I wasn't asking the Chair to override the LNC and call a
>>>> meeting.  My comments are directed to the LNC as a whole, not you.  If
>>>> we're not going to meet, it would be nice to at least have a few members
>>>> perhaps weigh in as to why email ballots - which basically exist, so far as
>>>> I can tell, because in the past the technology for synchronous meetings
>>>> didn't exist - are a better way to resolve this question, given the
>>>> parliamentary constraints I mentioned this morning.
>>>>
>>>> However, I don't think I'll get 6 requstors.  Given that, what is the
>>>> feeling about an informal teleconference at which no business is discussed?
>>>>
>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Nicholas Sarwark <chair at lp.org
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','chair at lp.org');>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Four members of the LNC have requested an online meeting on September
>>>>> 25.
>>>>>
>>>>> I anticipate flying to New York on that day, since there's something
>>>>> happening on Long Island the day after, but my personal availability
>>>>> should not be the deciding factor.
>>>>>
>>>>> The bigger concern I have with calling a meeting is that only 4 out of
>>>>> 25 members and alternates have indicated a desire for one.  If a
>>>>> majority of the committee wants a meeting, I'll call one.  If not, I
>>>>> won't.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Nick
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 5:23 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','carynannharlos at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>> > The Chair has asked us to approve via email the budget increases.  I
>>>>> believe
>>>>> > an actual deliberative meeting is the appropriate way to handle and
>>>>> urge
>>>>> > others to join this request.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > In Liberty,
>>>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona,
>>>>> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> > Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Sunday, September 11, 2016, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ken.moellman at lpky.org');>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> This message is sent to note that the Policy Manual states in
>>>>> Section 1.01
>>>>> >> (2) that the Chair shall set the agenda for all LNC sessions. The
>>>>> members
>>>>> >> proposing a meeting are to only suggest the topics, per Section
>>>>> 1.02 (7)(e).
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> To that end, I would suggest to the chair that the agenda be
>>>>> structured in
>>>>> >> a way where committee transparency comes before committee
>>>>> population.  I
>>>>> >> suggest this because some may make a decision on where and how to
>>>>> serve
>>>>> >> based on the rules, and if the rules are changing, it might be good
>>>>> to get
>>>>> >> the rule changes down first.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I personally still believe that we need an in-person meeting to
>>>>> discuss
>>>>> >> the details of the transparency proposal in an efficient manner.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> And Section 1.03 (1) says the IT Committee is populated by the LNC
>>>>> chair,
>>>>> >> not the LNC itself.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ---
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>> >> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>> >> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 2016-09-11 18:11, Joshua Katz wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> For reference, here is the request I am referencing:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I am seeking co-requesters for a teleconference meeting to be held
>>>>> >> Saturday, September 24, 2016, at 5PM Pacific - 7PM Pacific.  I am
>>>>> happy to
>>>>> >> adjust date and time if needed; I'm basing this off my memory and
>>>>> Caryn's
>>>>> >> assistance.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> The agenda items would be as follows:
>>>>> >> Amend Something Previously Adopted - Budget
>>>>> >> Populating Committees
>>>>> >> Transparency for Committees
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> The items would be in that order, and there would be, I hope, a 2
>>>>> hour
>>>>> >> hard stop.  (According to some recent research, a 72 minute hard
>>>>> stop would
>>>>> >> be better, but that's not realistic.)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> It is my belief that these items, particularly the budget item, can
>>>>> be
>>>>> >> dealt with fairly easily at such a meeting if we do the spadework
>>>>> here, and
>>>>> >> might possibly be questions that come out differently at such a
>>>>> meeting vs.
>>>>> >> email.  In other words, I think they would profit from real-time
>>>>> discussion
>>>>> >> and deliberation.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Furthermore, there was a request to assign times to items.  My
>>>>> proposal is
>>>>> >> below.  None of these are intended as special orders; rather, I
>>>>> include the
>>>>> >> times simply to indicate the time to be allocated to each item.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 5:00 - 5:05 Pacific:  Credentialing and housekeeping
>>>>> >> 5:05 - 6:05:  Amend Something Previously Adopted - Budget
>>>>> >> 6:05 - 6:25:  Populating Committees
>>>>> >> 6:25 - 6:45:  Transparency for Committees
>>>>> >> 6:45 - 7:00:  Public comment and announcements
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> It is my hope that less time will be needed than this and that
>>>>> we'll end
>>>>> >> early.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>> >> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Joshua Katz <
>>>>> planning4liberty at gmail.com
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','planning4liberty at gmail.com');>>
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> There were 6 votes cast.  There were no dates receiving 6 votes,
>>>>> but the
>>>>> >>> 25th (Sunday) had 5 votes, which was the most.  Therefore, I am
>>>>> still
>>>>> >>> seeking co-requesters for the 25th.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>> >>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
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>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > In Liberty,
>>>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona,
>>>>> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> > Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org');>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
>>
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-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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