[Lnc-business] Results of Doodle

Fri Sep 16 16:44:33 EDT 2016

Yes Joshua.  Your request for input was ignored by the super majority of
members.

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*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>

On Friday, September 16, 2016, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yes. And it is the duty of this Body to make every effort to attend duly
> called meetings.
>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
> On Friday, September 16, 2016, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ken.moellman at lpky.org');>> wrote:
>
>>
>> I agree with your assessment.  But a regular quorum will still be
>> required to actually conduct business, based on my reading of the rules.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2016-09-16 16:21, Joshua Katz wrote:
>>
>> I tried; that's what the Doodle poll was supposed to do.  6 people
>> voted.  Of those, 5 could attend on this date, and it was the unique
>> most-voted date.  I would have more information if voter turnout had been
>> greater than (counting voting members) 33%.  Obviously, it was unofficial
>> and no one was obligated to vote - I have never understood why we spend so
>> much energy tossing dates around on this list when we've known for
>> centuries the value of aggregating that sort of data and displaying it
>> visually.
>>
>> The proposed topics were posted with the original request.  I then
>> reposted them when I asked for more corequestors.  I also proposed an
>> agenda at that time:  although the chair proposes the agenda, I think I can
>> propose one to be proposed.  The chair is free to modify it, naturally.
>> The topics were:
>>
>> Amend Something Previously Adopted - Budget
>> Population of Committees
>> Committee Transparency
>>
>> There was a request to handle committee transparency before population of
>> committees, opposite my proposed proposed agenda.  The chair has the
>> discretion to flip it, and the body of course has the ability to flip it at
>> the meeting.
>>
>> This is, I'm pretty sure, the first time a videoconference has been
>> called by a minority of the body (it's only the second time we've held one)
>> but this isn't some weird loophole in the rules.  It's what the rules
>> explicitly authorize.  Those rules, for the benefit of those who are new,
>> came out of a committee recommendation last term.  The rules also allow, as
>> an aside, for cancellation or amendment of the agenda items.
>>
>> Joshua A. Katz
>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Can we find out who can attend this meeting?
>>>
>>> It sounds as though Region 3 will not be able to attend.  Mr. Bittner
>>> has a packed schedule that weekend and cannot attend, and I fly for
>>> work early on Monday morning (Eastern Time) making a late conference call
>>> unreasonable.
>>>
>>> I believe that we have also heard that our Chairman would not be in
>>> attendance, as well.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2016-09-15 23:45, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>
>>> There are now six LNC members requesting this meeting (the 1/3 threshold
>>> is reached).
>>>
>>> Katz, Hayes, Harlos, Demarest, McKnight, and Hewitt.
>>>
>>> Will the Chair please set the meeting?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 9:06 PM, hdigger2004 <hdigger2004 at aol.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I also request the teleconference on Sept. 25th. Jeff Hewitt Region 4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S® 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: Patrick McKnight <patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com>
>>>> Date: 9/15/2016 6:15 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Results of Doodle
>>>>
>>>> I also request the above mentioned teleconference.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Patrick McKnight
>>>> Region 8 Rep
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 15, 2016 2:18 PM, "Joshua Katz" <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> To be clear, I wasn't asking the Chair to override the LNC and call a
>>>>> meeting.  My comments are directed to the LNC as a whole, not you.  If
>>>>> we're not going to meet, it would be nice to at least have a few members
>>>>> perhaps weigh in as to why email ballots - which basically exist, so far as
>>>>> I can tell, because in the past the technology for synchronous meetings
>>>>> didn't exist - are a better way to resolve this question, given the
>>>>> parliamentary constraints I mentioned this morning.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I don't think I'll get 6 requstors.  Given that, what is the
>>>>> feeling about an informal teleconference at which no business is discussed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Nicholas Sarwark <chair at lp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Four members of the LNC have requested an online meeting on September
>>>>>> 25.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I anticipate flying to New York on that day, since there's something
>>>>>> happening on Long Island the day after, but my personal availability
>>>>>> should not be the deciding factor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The bigger concern I have with calling a meeting is that only 4 out of
>>>>>> 25 members and alternates have indicated a desire for one.  If a
>>>>>> majority of the committee wants a meeting, I'll call one.  If not, I
>>>>>> won't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Nick
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 5:23 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > The Chair has asked us to approve via email the budget increases.
>>>>>> I believe
>>>>>> > an actual deliberative meeting is the appropriate way to handle and
>>>>>> urge
>>>>>> > others to join this request.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > --
>>>>>> > In Liberty,
>>>>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona,
>>>>>> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> > Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Sunday, September 11, 2016, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> This message is sent to note that the Policy Manual states in
>>>>>> Section 1.01
>>>>>> >> (2) that the Chair shall set the agenda for all LNC sessions. The
>>>>>> members
>>>>>> >> proposing a meeting are to only suggest the topics, per Section
>>>>>> 1.02 (7)(e).
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> To that end, I would suggest to the chair that the agenda be
>>>>>> structured in
>>>>>> >> a way where committee transparency comes before committee
>>>>>> population.  I
>>>>>> >> suggest this because some may make a decision on where and how to
>>>>>> serve
>>>>>> >> based on the rules, and if the rules are changing, it might be
>>>>>> good to get
>>>>>> >> the rule changes down first.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I personally still believe that we need an in-person meeting to
>>>>>> discuss
>>>>>> >> the details of the transparency proposal in an efficient manner.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> And Section 1.03 (1) says the IT Committee is populated by the LNC
>>>>>> chair,
>>>>>> >> not the LNC itself.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> ---
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>> >> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>> >> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On 2016-09-11 18:11, Joshua Katz wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> For reference, here is the request I am referencing:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I am seeking co-requesters for a teleconference meeting to be held
>>>>>> >> Saturday, September 24, 2016, at 5PM Pacific - 7PM Pacific.  I am
>>>>>> happy to
>>>>>> >> adjust date and time if needed; I'm basing this off my memory and
>>>>>> Caryn's
>>>>>> >> assistance.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> The agenda items would be as follows:
>>>>>> >> Amend Something Previously Adopted - Budget
>>>>>> >> Populating Committees
>>>>>> >> Transparency for Committees
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> The items would be in that order, and there would be, I hope, a 2
>>>>>> hour
>>>>>> >> hard stop.  (According to some recent research, a 72 minute hard
>>>>>> stop would
>>>>>> >> be better, but that's not realistic.)
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> It is my belief that these items, particularly the budget item,
>>>>>> can be
>>>>>> >> dealt with fairly easily at such a meeting if we do the spadework
>>>>>> here, and
>>>>>> >> might possibly be questions that come out differently at such a
>>>>>> meeting vs.
>>>>>> >> email.  In other words, I think they would profit from real-time
>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>> >> and deliberation.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Furthermore, there was a request to assign times to items.  My
>>>>>> proposal is
>>>>>> >> below.  None of these are intended as special orders; rather, I
>>>>>> include the
>>>>>> >> times simply to indicate the time to be allocated to each item.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> 5:00 - 5:05 Pacific:  Credentialing and housekeeping
>>>>>> >> 5:05 - 6:05:  Amend Something Previously Adopted - Budget
>>>>>> >> 6:05 - 6:25:  Populating Committees
>>>>>> >> 6:25 - 6:45:  Transparency for Committees
>>>>>> >> 6:45 - 7:00:  Public comment and announcements
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> It is my hope that less time will be needed than this and that
>>>>>> we'll end
>>>>>> >> early.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>>> >> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Joshua Katz <
>>>>>> planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> There were 6 votes cast.  There were no dates receiving 6 votes,
>>>>>> but the
>>>>>> >>> 25th (Sunday) had 5 votes, which was the most.  Therefore, I am
>>>>>> still
>>>>>> >>> seeking co-requesters for the 25th.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>>> >>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
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>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > --
>>>>>> > In Liberty,
>>>>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona,
>>>>>> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> > Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
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>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org');>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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