[Lnc-business] Contract issues

Wed Sep 21 15:44:15 EDT 2016

Arvin,

I too support contract signing prior to the nomination. I'm curious why 
you would not support making the signing of such a contract a 
requirement in order to procure our nomination. What incentive would a 
candidate have to sign pre-nomination?

Sean

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On 21 Sep 2016, at 14:32, Arvin Vohra wrote:

> LNC - having heard the feedback from Messrs. Sarwark, Katz, and 
> Goldstein
> that the contract provides value to both the campaign and the 
> Libertarian
> Party, I am satisfied. There are plenty of things we keep secret (e.g.
> donor lists) for strategic reasons, and it seems that we have a 
> strategic
> reason to do so here (it gets us a contract). I would obviously prefer
> transparency here, but if that is a dealbreaker, then I recommend we 
> move
> forward and focus on downsizing government.
>
> However, I will be either making or cosponsoring a motion to allow 
> future
> presidential campaigns to sign preliminary contracts with the LNC 
> before
> nomination. I will not support making this a strict requirement, but I 
> do
> believe that this process should be make easier in the future if 
> possible.
>
> -Arvin
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Sam Goldstein 
> <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Nope you are just not in on the secret.
>>
>> Sam
>>
>> Sam Goldstein
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> Member at Large
>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am horridly out of touch.  I hear they aren't even using the term
>>> "dank" any longer,  I can't keep up.
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, 
>>> Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Nicholas Sarwark <chair at lp.org> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> FYI: All the cool kids are using poisoned Skittles as the correct
>>>> analogy these days.
>>>>
>>>> -Nick
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> And to add saying "withe exception of that one clause" is 
>>>>> precisely the
>>>>> issue.  A meal may be delicious with the exception of the few 
>>>>> grains of
>>>>> arsenic.  I will not focus on the savour of the steak but rather 
>>>>> the
>>>> sting
>>>>> of the poison.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona,
>>>>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Protecting the interests of the party and its members and us do 
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> include eternal secrecy.  While some might have trouble seeing 
>>>>>> it,
>>>> no, in a
>>>>>> contract negotiation, something as huge as that, should not be 
>>>>>> missed.
>>>>>> Whether or not it is "understandable" is not the question.  It is
>>>>>> extraordinarily prejudical and and negligent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Joshua Katz <
>>>> planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In response to the implied question:  Having read the contract, 
>>>>>>> I
>>>> find it
>>>>>>> to be a good agreement, and one that delivers excellent value to 
>>>>>>> the
>>>> Party,
>>>>>>> with the exception of the clause under discussion.  I personally 
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> trouble seeing the implications of that clause, even after 
>>>>>>> having it
>>>>>>> explained to me, and so it makes perfect sense to me that those
>>>> implications
>>>>>>> can be missed during an extended negotiation where the primary 
>>>>>>> focus
>>>> was on
>>>>>>> protecting the interests of the party and obtaining value for 
>>>>>>> the
>>>> party.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>>>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Nicholas Sarwark <chair at lp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I want to clear something up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The LNC authorized me to negotiate a contract and joint 
>>>>>>>> fundraising
>>>>>>>> agreement between the party and the Gary Johnson campaign.  I 
>>>>>>>> have,
>>>>>>>> for the past three and a half months, been working with our 
>>>>>>>> counsel,
>>>>>>>> Oliver Hall, to negotiate a contract that would be in the best
>>>>>>>> interest of the Libertarian Party.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> During those months, terms have changed during the course of 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> negotiations in both agreements.  At some point I asked Mr. 
>>>>>>>> Hall
>>>> about
>>>>>>>> the advisability of making the provisions of the contract 
>>>>>>>> public
>>>> both
>>>>>>>> before and after the election.  His advice was that it would 
>>>>>>>> not be
>>>>>>>> advisable at any point, but definitely would not be prior to 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> election.  Based on that discussion, my preference would be to 
>>>>>>>> keep
>>>> it
>>>>>>>> confidential until inauguration day.  That was what I 
>>>>>>>> communicated
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> the list, but that communication was in error.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The actual contract requires confidentiality of the terms.  Mr.
>>>>>>>> Goldstein pointed out that phrase to me and I sent a correction 
>>>>>>>> to
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> email list as soon as I realized that I had misspoke. I 
>>>>>>>> understand
>>>>>>>> that this misspeaking has created a lack of confidence and a 
>>>>>>>> motion
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> rescind the entire authority to execute the contract.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would like it to be clear that making the contract public was 
>>>>>>>> not,
>>>>>>>> to my knowledge, one of the stated objectives at the LNC 
>>>>>>>> meeting
>>>>>>>> following the convention for our contract with the campaign.  A 
>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>> small and vocal minority making it into an absolute requirement 
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> this late stage of the negotiations is shifting the goalposts 
>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>> final seconds of the game (after, I'm not sure if signatures 
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> already on the campaign's copies).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think the contract negotiated is a good one.  Others who have 
>>>>>>>> seen
>>>>>>>> it are probably within their bounds to say whether they 
>>>>>>>> consider it
>>>> a
>>>>>>>> good or bad agreement, without discussing specific terms with 
>>>>>>>> LNC
>>>>>>>> members who will not agree to keep it confidential.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The effect of this motion would be to cancel everything 
>>>>>>>> negotiated
>>>>>>>> because I misspoke and/or people value transparency over any 
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> goal.  If that's what you want to do, you should co-sponsor it 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> vote for it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yours in liberty,
>>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> P.S. Recognizing that eventual transparency is important to the
>>>>>>>> aforementioned small and vocal minority, Oliver and I are 
>>>>>>>> actually
>>>> in
>>>>>>>> negotiations with the campaign for some kind of addendum that 
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> modify the confidentiality terms to address those concerns.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona,
>>>>>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona,
>>>>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, 
>>> Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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