[Lnc-business] invitation to LNC electronic meeting on 9/25/16

Thu Sep 22 14:15:50 EDT 2016

I will argue my case in the meeting.

The one point simply is - the LNC is already this transparent.  We must not
be able to avoid this transparency by shunting off into an opaque
committee.  These arguments already lost when the fight to keep the LNC
opaque lost.

Pushing it into committees to deny members of the fruits of the victory of
LNC transparency is depriving them.

I will entertain at meeting any reasonable amendment but the core principle
has already been won for members and I will protect their victory.

- Caryn Ann

On Thursday, September 22, 2016, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org> wrote:

>
> Since I won't be on the call, I'll make my comments on the motion now:
>
>
> I don't want my phone number or email address posted publicly. I get
> enough spam calls and email as it is. It's bad enough as it is. Change the
> language to require that our membership is able to submit comments, and
> leave it vague so we could do things like put a contact form on the website
> or something similar.
>
> Remove language about "the reflector". We should not codify any specific
> technology, and should instead codify that information shall be made
> public.
>
> All I think this will do is create a bunch of "informal meetings" and
> "executive sessions", with the unintended consequence of creating more
> incentive to hide what's actually going, if for no other reason than to
> avoid the bureaucracy created.  In short, this doesn't solve the problem at
> all.
>
>
> I think there's a very good place for transparency. If we're going to
> block-grant money to committees, then yes, there will have to be some level
> of accountability for those expenditures. Personally, I don't like the idea
> of giving committees individual spending responsibility. I prefer, instead,
> to have committees bring spending proposals back to the LNC to approve; for
> the purpose of expediency, committee expenditures could be considered
> approved unless specifically objected to. That creates checks-and-balances
> at a level where our members have the direct ability to hold LNC members
> accountable.
>
> There's also good reason to deny transparency as proposed.  The Ballot
> Access Committee, for instance, has discussed sensitive information. In
> order for that committee to function, members have to be able to freely
> express themselves. Essentially, we would have held every single meeting
> since I became chair in Executive Session, which is just silly.
>
> Many governing bodies have transparency requirements that might provide
> some guidance. Requiring minutes be archived. Requiring the use of an
> archived mailing list that, while not immediately available to the public,
> could be publicized later. There are many other options available.
>
> In preparing the Ballot Access Committee report for December, I plan to
> collect all of the information I can which exists for the period before I
> was on the committee, and combine it with the information gathered after I
> joined the committee. I plan to work with the committee to provide this
> detail in the report, along with the minutes of each meeting we've had
> since I joined the committee.
>
>
> I believe that the legitimate call for transparency is really a call
> for accountability. I fully intend on being accountable; not just to the
> LNC but to the members of the party. I don't need a bylaw to be
> accountable. Our members should demand transparency, and hold our elected
> leadership accountable, accordingly, if they're not.
>
>
> However, I have serious concerns that any codified transparency provision
> will only serve to make the party less strategic, less transparent, and/or
> more bureaucratic.
>
> That's my $0.02 on the matter.
>
> Ken
>
> ---
>
> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
> LPKY Judicial Committee
>
>
>
> On 2016-09-22 12:21, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> And here is the Motion I intend to bring:
>
> Move to Amend Policy Manual Section 2.02 (page 23) to add a new subsection
> (2) and re-number the remaining as follows:
>
>
> 2) Committee Transparency
>
> The names and contact information (phone number, email address, or both)
> for all committee members shall be posted on the LP.org website.  Unless
> otherwise specifically excepted on a committee-by-committee basis or within
> the committee's own published standing rules for "executive session," all
> committee meetings shall be open to any member of the National Party to
> observe or listen and all electronic committee correspondences shall be
> made available on a public reflector system on the LP.org website, the
> location of which will be published with the committee contact information.
> Notices, minutes, agendas, and call-in information of committee meetings
> shall be published to said reflector list or otherwise on the LP.org <
> http://lp.org/> website, including a record of all substantive committee
> actions and how each member voted. At least 48 hours public notice will be
> given for any committee meeting, with the exception of emergency meetings
> as defined within the committee's own published standing rules.
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','carynannharlos at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> This is the proposed agenda from the other thread:
>>
>>
>> 5:00 - 5:05 Pacific:  Credentialing and housekeeping
>> 5:05 - 6:05:  Amend Something Previously Adopted - Budget
>> 6:05 - 6:25:  Populating Committees
>> 6:25 - 6:45:  Transparency for Committees
>> 6:45 - 7:00:  Public comment and announcements
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','agmattson at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with Joshua's comments about public comments.
>>>
>>> -Alicia
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','planning4liberty at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would say that public comment is not a business item.  The rule means
>>>> we can't conduct business not in the call, not that we can't hear words not
>>>> in the call.
>>>>
>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Sam Goldstein <
>>>> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So technically since the call for the meeting did not include time for
>>>>> public comment, should it
>>>>> be on the agenda for the meeting?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> Member at Large
>>>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:48 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','carynannharlos at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not at my desktop to do a search (will do later) but someone may
>>>>>> want to post the agenda here for members who are watching this thread.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 6:47 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','carynannharlos at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gracias.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com
>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','agmattson at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Besides what Sam already noted, I know of no such rule, and in fact
>>>>>>>> our policy says that the only topics allowed are those co-sponsored by the
>>>>>>>> requisite number of members.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 5:05 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','carynannharlos at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was under the impression that the agenda previously posted
>>>>>>>>> wasn't "official" as it didn't come from you or the Chair.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Alicia Mattson <
>>>>>>>>> agmattson at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','agmattson at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The agenda has already been posted to this list several times.
>>>>>>>>>> If you're talking about posting on our website, staff usually handles that
>>>>>>>>>> because I don't have website posting rights.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','carynannharlos at gmail.com');>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Alicia!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know if and when an official Agenda will be posted?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Alicia Mattson <
>>>>>>>>>>> agmattson at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','agmattson at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is the first of at least three emails you will receive
>>>>>>>>>>>> from me on this subject.  It is important that you read this information,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and do it well in advance of the meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The invitation below contains the link you need to participate
>>>>>>>>>>>> via the web.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We have a teleconference system attached to this electronic
>>>>>>>>>>>> meeting room.  If you join via the web, you can use a microphone on your
>>>>>>>>>>>> computer to transmit your audio, and you do NOT need to also dial into the
>>>>>>>>>>>> phone number below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The phone number below is a backup option for an audio-only
>>>>>>>>>>>> connection if someone cannot join via the web.  Phone participants
>>>>>>>>>>>> obviously will not be able to see the webcam feeds or anything displayed
>>>>>>>>>>>> onscreen, only hear the audio.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Under our rules, the phone number below is ONLY for use by LNC
>>>>>>>>>>>> members/alternates and not for guests because we have to pay per minute for
>>>>>>>>>>>> use of this particular teleconference number.  It costs the LNC nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>> (beyond our flat-rate annual subscription) for web participants.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If an LNC member/alternate plans to use the teleconference
>>>>>>>>>>>> system rather than connecting via the web, LET ME KNOW IN ADVANCE.  I have
>>>>>>>>>>>> to be dialed into the teleconference also, and I have to take additional
>>>>>>>>>>>> steps to connect the phone system to the meeting room.  It can be
>>>>>>>>>>>> disruptive to other meeting participants if I have to do that in the middle
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the meeting because I wasn't told in advance that someone needs it
>>>>>>>>>>>> turned on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When you first connect to the AdobeConnect meeting room, the
>>>>>>>>>>>> site will need to install a browser add-in.  Watch in your browser for
>>>>>>>>>>>> information bars asking you to give permission for the add-in.  You must
>>>>>>>>>>>> allow the add-in or else the meeting room will not open.  After the add-in
>>>>>>>>>>>> is installed, some may need to close and re-open their browsers before they
>>>>>>>>>>>> can use the add-in.  Even if you have participated in one of these meetings
>>>>>>>>>>>> before and allowed the browser add-in, Adobe has recently updated their
>>>>>>>>>>>> software, so an updated add-in needs to be installed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Included in the invitation below is a test link you should use
>>>>>>>>>>>> WELL IN ADVANCE so Adobe can go ahead and install the add-in and check to
>>>>>>>>>>>> make sure you have the software needed to participate in the meeting.  If
>>>>>>>>>>>> you're going to have a technical problem, you want to know in advance so
>>>>>>>>>>>> you potentially have time to fix it before the meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please join me in an Adobe Connect Meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Invited By: SECRETARY at LP.ORG
>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','SECRETARY at LP.ORG');>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When:  09/25/2016 8:00 PM Eastern / 5PM Pacific
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the meeting:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lp.adobeconnect.com/lnc/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Audio Conference Details:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Conference Code: 7509417927
>>>>>>>>>>>> Conference Number(s):
>>>>>>>>>>>> USA: +1-8668149555
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have never attended an Adobe Connect meeting before:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Test your connection: https://lp.adobeconnect.com/co
>>>>>>>>>>>> mmon/help/en/support/meeting_test.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Get a quick overview: http://www.adobe.com/products/
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org');>
>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Lnc-business at hq.lp.org');>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Lnc-business at hq.lp.org');>
>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org');>
>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Lnc-business at hq.lp.org');>
>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Lnc-business at hq.lp.org');>
>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org');>
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org');>
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Lnc-business at hq.lp.org');>
>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Lnc-business at hq.lp.org');>
>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Lnc-business at hq.lp.org');>
>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org');>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org');>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Lnc-business mailing list
> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Lnc-business at hq.lp.org');>
> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>
>

-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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