[Lnc-business] Support for Caryn Ann Harlos' Motion To Rescind

Sat Sep 24 10:48:15 EDT 2016

Alicia, rescinding something isn't enacting it.  And again, whether it
would be futile or useless or something that could not be done, would be
something for the members to evaluate and the Judicial Committee.  Not me.
I just know that having an actual decision gives the members something to
work with.

I do not know how it would pan out, but I do know I believe the members
need further options in my view.

Alternatively, members an appeal the original decision to grant the
authority, using part of this as support.

What members do is their exercise of their rights.  I simply believe they
deserve a decision.

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:31 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Caryn Ann,
>
> Article 7, Section 12 is the same bylaw I looked at, and all I see there
> is that the JC can potentially "veto" a decision, thus making it "null and
> void".  Veto power on something the LNC did adopt is not legislative power,
> such that if the LNC rejects a motion, the JC can enact it.
>
> Do you think that the U.S. Constitution provides that if Congress votes
> down a bill the President wanted, that the President's veto power can
> unilaterally enact the bill into law?
>
> -Alicia
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 5:58 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Alicia,
>>
>> ==You keep saying this.  Is it your belief that if the LNC refuses to
>> adopt a given motion, the Judicial Committee has some sort of authority to
>> make us adopt it?  If so, please cite the bylaw which gives you that
>> impression.  Veto power and legislative power are quite different things.==
>>
>> Yes I do.  There are members who feel that this process may violate
>> certain sections of the Bylaws.  You don't have to agree with them.  You
>> don't have to agree whether it would be a fruitful exercise or futile, or
>> trying to unring a bell.  They have this right.  I personally think the
>> Bylaws should give members more power to appeal, but such is what it is.
>>
>> Article 7, Section 12: Upon appeal by ten percent of the delegates
>> credentialed at the most recent Regular Convention or one percent of the
>> Party sustaining members the Judicial Committee shall consider the question
>> of whether or not a decision of the National Committee contravenes
>> specified sections of the Bylaws. If the decision is vetoed by the Judicial
>> Committee, it shall be declared null and void.
>>
>> I am not going to drop names without permission, but some of the members
>> who feel this way aren't wet-behind-the-ears new people but experienced
>> seasoned members' who's opinion I respect.
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 4:17 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Would you like me to ask the members of this group who requested to
>>> provide their names and copies of their LP membership cards to prove their
>>> bona fides?  I didn't think we were in the habit of speculating that
>>> concerned members might be old party operatives or taking emails at
>>> anything other than face value without some proof they are not what they
>>> seem to be just because we don't like what they had to say.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 23, 2016, Alicia Mattson <secretary at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Surely I'm not the only one who sees the irony of someone using an
>>>> unsigned email from an anonymously-structured email address to lobby the
>>>> LNC for transparency.  Just sayin'...
>>>>
>>>> We have also recently been lobbied to suspend our presidential ticket
>>>> by a person who later noted he's not even a member of the LP.  For all I
>>>> know, some of these emails could be coming from Trump or Clinton supporters.
>>>>
>>>> -Alicia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:30 AM, Audacious Caucus <
>>>> beaudaciouslp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> To the members of the Libertarian National Committee,
>>>>>
>>>>> We the members of the Libertarian Party Audacious Caucus (LPAC) wish
>>>>> to express our support for the motion to rescind put forth by LNC Region 1
>>>>> Representative Caryn Ann Harlos. This motion is a call for transparency in
>>>>> light of some troubling aspects of the contract Chairman Sarwark was
>>>>> authorized to negotiate and sign. We feel this is a play at opacity that is
>>>>> not acceptable. There can be an argument made for tactical aspects of
>>>>> keeping the contract hidden during the campaign, but after it is over,
>>>>> members of the LNC should be able to discuss it with their constituents,
>>>>> and members should be able to view the document as the information can be
>>>>> useful in deciding on LNC representatives, or as a benchmark if the bylaw
>>>>> provision for a stock contract comes back around.
>>>>>
>>>>> We hope that you will choose wisely and support the rescission, not as
>>>>> a personal attack on the Chair, but as a support of transparency to set an
>>>>> example for the old parties.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>
>>>>> The Members of The Libertarian Party Audacious Caucus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Be Audacious!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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