[Lnc-business] LP.org website transition botched (as predicted)

Tue Oct 25 23:26:07 EDT 2016

Caryn,

I genuinely am not trying to avoid those issues.  I know content is there.
What I'm trying to convey is that from my point of view, if those documents
are "opaque" for another 12 hours, I'm okay with that.  I realize you might
not be, but this goes back to my volunteering work.  I have to prioritize
work that I am personally responsible for.

So I will happily weigh in with staff and get links to them.  I can even
check the admin pages and see what the current URL is provided they have
been copied and not linked.

But I really need to know if anything is actually not functioning.  This is
what my current workload is.

I apologize if any of that sounds dismissive.  It's not my intent, but I
can't do specific projects for you and/or Chuck or the LNC or whomever else
right now as I need to make sure the site is fully functional.  If/when it
IS fully functional (which it very well may already be), then we can
address any missing pieces.

~k

On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Thank you Kevin for all your work.
>
> I can't though not desire answers on the minutes archives and LNC business
> list not being there.  That is essential for members and cannot be optional.
>
> Can staff answer when those can be restored?  This is an acceptable
> situation of opacity.
>
>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Caryn,
>>
>> I've always gotten along with you just fine as you're very reasonable.
>>
>> In this case, I respectfully disagree that it's useful to deliver a
>> 6-page rant citing the "I told you so" lines when the decision has been
>> done, executed, and is live.  Further, I have been in this business for 20
>> years now.  We had roughly 2.5 hours of outages this morning between
>> roughly 7:45AM and 9:15AM EST.  This was only because of the unknown.
>> Staff has spent a lot of time testing this software.  It was rolled over
>> twice already and rolled back just to ensure we COULD roll it back if there
>> was a major problem.  The point being that we transitioned an entire
>> infrastructure from 6 services to ONE, the monthly cost savings should be
>> about $500 once everything is in place, and best I can tell nothing is
>> broken - there are just complaints that some things are missing (which
>> they're definitely not, but I'll concede that perhaps staff hasn't finished
>> adding links - I honestly don't know right now).
>>
>> There are no major problems that anyone has reported save for the
>> overloading this morning.  The page content was always intended to / has
>> been / and IS preserved.  If a link isn't immediately visible, then staff
>> can correct that if appropriate.
>>
>> IF there are broken links, namely as a URL may have changed and needs to
>> be forwarded now, I would really, genuinely like to know so I can fix those
>> problems.  I offered that to Chuck.  I offered it to you.
>>
>> That said, we can start however necessary.  I have ostensibly worked on
>> this for 3.5 straight weeks.  That is not because of the website itself,
>> but rather the years of garbaged up infrastructure.  We would have rolled
>> the site out 6 weeks ago if not for all of that.  My point being that I've
>> been voluntarily taking on FAR more work than was entailed in the website
>> redesign itself because our infrastructure couldn't handle the modern
>> codebase (it is roughly 8 years out of spec).
>>
>> I would ask that you leave whatever issues you have with content alone
>> for the time being.  I'm not saying they won't be addressed, I'm saying
>> that it's not a primary concern.  The primary concern is ensuring that the
>> site is running so it can serve up any content.  IF there is a problem with
>> something not loading, we need to know that.
>>
>> Staff has copied over existing pages and so nothing is lost or destroyed
>> or anything of this sort.
>>
>> I need to convey though, that I am not on the clock for the people on
>> this thread.  I have been, and am continuing to volunteer a tremendous
>> amount of time to ensure this is completed smoothly.  I am happy to try and
>> fix things that are broken.  I'm very uninterested in listening to Mr.
>> Molton rant on about his discontent with the structure.  It's done.  That
>> ship sailed in February.
>>
>> So that's where I'm at.  By all means, please inform me of broken pieces
>> so we can look at and correct anything ASAP.
>>
>> ~k
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:01 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Kevin,
>>>
>>> He was writing as a member to a busy elected to SERVE members.  That
>>> means sometimes we will hear things we don't want to and have to respond to
>>> very upset complaints.  No matter what anyone says  - high-handed responses
>>> are not appropriate IMHO.
>>>
>>> I didn't agree with Chuck's desire to see heads roll.  I said so
>>> respectfully,
>>>
>>> Can we start again?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Caryn,
>>>>
>>>> Chuck opened with whoever made the decision was a MORON and should be
>>>> FIRED.
>>>>
>>>> I think my response was in line.
>>>>
>>>> Regardless, I remain open to seeing links broken. I'm sure some still
>>>> exist. We launched the site this morning. Staff has spent weeks testing the
>>>> site and fixing links and such. I'm all for fixing dead links, but 6 pages
>>>> of complaints without any information is not helpful.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I'm not a member of the LNC. I'm a volunteer only. So I don't
>>>> really owe anyone anything. I've delightfully put in a couple hundred hours
>>>> so far. That's the best I'm willing to do at this point given such a
>>>> response.
>>>>
>>>> K
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Kevin, that was an inappropriate response to concerns of a member
>>>>> IMHO- his concerns are valid and shouldn't be dismissed as "oh you
>>>>> Libertarians, you are a minority - we can safely ignore you."
>>>>>
>>>>> Where are the links to the LNC Business list, the old blog articles,
>>>>> and the past minutes?
>>>>>
>>>>> Can we have the discussion without sarcasm and without putting down
>>>>> Libertarians as inconsequential?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Chuck,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the constructive feedback.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll delightfully take credit/responsibility for whatever and all
>>>>>> actions you've written about.  Please pardon Nick, Robert, Wes, and anybody
>>>>>> else in your crosshairs.  I'm sure they'll be relieved to be spared.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not going to read that entire document you've sent as I've spent
>>>>>> the last 3 weeks trying to fix the party's infrastructure for the website
>>>>>> TO go live.  It was finished two days ago, it was launched last night.
>>>>>> That was my call.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What would be useful right now would be if you could point out the
>>>>>> broken links so that we can assign permanent redirects to them.  Any page
>>>>>> content that existed STILL exists.  This has been made clear over and over
>>>>>> again.  It's possible that some page links have not been forwarded, but
>>>>>> I've been monitoring logs on all 4 servers all day and have not seen many
>>>>>> 404s.  The downtime this morning wasn't actually from an outage, but rather
>>>>>> ME under-predicting the load our servers would take.  This is admittedly
>>>>>> because I didn't have any data to go on because -- well -- we've not really
>>>>>> ever kept any before.  I made the best prediction I could; I way
>>>>>> under-estimated.  The servers were scaled up and unless you're seeing
>>>>>> something different, the site has been running fine all day since about
>>>>>> 9:45am CST.  It was running before that just fine too, but the morning
>>>>>> surge in traffic overwhelmed it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So anyway, if you'd like to submit broken links, we'd love to set up
>>>>>> additional forwards.  Overall though, I'm pretty happy with the change.
>>>>>> I'm happy we've done it before the election - even if it wound up being
>>>>>> delayed from our proposed launch of September 29th.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The old site was very, very bad.  I know you're a tech guy all the
>>>>>> way.  I know words resonate with you and not colors and images and feelings
>>>>>> and emotions.  But you comprise a very, very, VERY small portion of the
>>>>>> American electorate and the new site was designed to appeal to people who
>>>>>> are visually oriented, not interested in reading walls of text, and might
>>>>>> have the attention span of a few seconds at best (eg: the vast majority of
>>>>>> people).  It was designed for people who might not care about the
>>>>>> Libertarian Party - in hopes that something grabs their attention and they
>>>>>> begin to care.  We don't need to "win over" existing Libertarians -- or at
>>>>>> least one would think, but it's honestly hard to tell these days.
>>>>>> Regardless, it was decided.  It's done.  You can hate it.  But I'd still
>>>>>> love your help in knowing where links are broken instead of mostly ignoring
>>>>>> another wall of text.  That would help ensure that it's in good shape.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you'd like to vent further, feel free to call me at 512-773-3968
>>>>>> to spare the group.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Chuck Moulton <chuck at moulton.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LNC members,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many of the problems I warned about have in fact come to pass.  It
>>>>>>> is Cassandra's Curse: always right but never believed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See the exchange from IPR quoted below (in the P.S.) for context and
>>>>>>> institutional memory.  I'll quote and discuss some of the highlights here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WARNING #1: TRANSITIONS CAN BE BOTCHED, LEADING TO DOWNTIME — AT THE
>>>>>>> WORST TIME IN THE ELECTION CYCLE FOR SUCH DOWNTIME: THE PRESIDENTIAL
>>>>>>> CAMPAIGN.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This buggy transition was implemented 13 days before the
>>>>>>> presidential election.  That is the 13th worst day in a 4 year cycle to
>>>>>>> unveil a new a new website.  There were/are 1,448 better days to change to
>>>>>>> a new website in a 4 year cycle.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whatever MORON decided to switch to a new website today instead of
>>>>>>> after the election should be immediately FIRED.  Do not pass go, do not
>>>>>>> collect $200.  FIRED.  I can't imagine a stupider, more incompetent,
>>>>>>> strategically insane decision than pulling the plug on a working website
>>>>>>> and trying out a new, buggy website immediately before a presidential
>>>>>>> election.  It is INSANE.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like staff, but if Wes Benedict made this idiotic decision, FIRE
>>>>>>> HIM IMMEDIATELY.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like much of the LNC, but if Nick Sarwark made this idiotic
>>>>>>> decision, SUSPEND HIM FOR CAUSE IMMEDIATELY (I'll gladly recuse myself as a
>>>>>>> member of the Judicial Committee if he appeals).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If Kevin Ludlow made this idiotic decision, RESCIND THE FEBRUARY
>>>>>>> 2016 MOTION GIVING LUDLOW UNILATERAL AUTHORITY OVER THE LP'S MOST IMPORTANT
>>>>>>> ASSET IMMEDIATELY.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Everything we were told about a professional transition that does
>>>>>>> not suffer from the pitfalls I highlighted was a lie.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It takes significantly more time for lp.org pages to load than
>>>>>>> before. The site has been down on & off all day long.  For a while people
>>>>>>> were directed to another domain whenever they went to a LP page:
>>>>>>> libparty.zocalodesign.com.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WARNING #2: A LOT OF CONTENT IS REMOVED. LACK OF THAT CONTENT MAKES
>>>>>>> IT MUCH HARDER TO ENERGIZE PROSPECTS; GET DONATIONS, VOLUNTEERS, AND
>>>>>>> CANDIDATES; AND TRAIN LIBERTARIANS ON BEST PRACTICES.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In fact (as predicted), a lot of content has been removed from
>>>>>>> lp.org.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For example, as chair of the Judicial Committee I wonder what
>>>>>>> happened to the webpage listing bylaws mandated committee members?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where is the link to the LP Business list?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where are the LNC minute archives before 2015?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I could go on and on, but I cover this point more broadly in my next
>>>>>>> unheeded warning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was repeatedly assured that content would not be removed, except
>>>>>>> that the front page would be made less cluttered.  That was a lie.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WARNING #3: BOTH CONTENT REMOVAL AND TRANSITIONS TO A NEW SYSTEM MAY
>>>>>>> LEAD SOME PAGES TO BE REMOVED OR MOVED, BREAKING LINKS TO PARTS OF THE SITE
>>>>>>> FROM ALL AROUND THE INTERNET AND MAKING US LOOK UNPROFESSIONAL WITH 404
>>>>>>> ERRORS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The number of 404 errors is shocking!  Activists have been out there
>>>>>>> for months / years promoting our website by linking to it -- especially
>>>>>>> during this presidential election.  Most of those links are now broken.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just try clicking on many of these links:
>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=site%3Alp.or
>>>>>>> g&oq=site%3Alp.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been told the solution is just to report each broken link.
>>>>>>> That is ridiculous!  It is completely unprofessional for a website
>>>>>>> transition to be reactive instead of proactive -- especially given that
>>>>>>> broken links probably number in the thousands.  We were assured that this
>>>>>>> would be a professional transition, but that was a lie.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WARNING #4: A NEW SYSTEM REQUIRES RETRAINING STAFF ON PROCESSES —
>>>>>>> TIME THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DEVOTED TO OTHER THINGS.  EVEN AFTER RETRAINING
>>>>>>> THERE WILL BE A LEARNING CURVE… EXTRA TIME FOR WEBSITE RELATED TASKS THAT
>>>>>>> COULD HAVE BEEN DEVOTED TO OTHER THINGS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In fact (as predicted), staff has mentioned that the website
>>>>>>> transition has taken staff time that could have been devoted to other
>>>>>>> matters in this busy election season.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wes Benedict wrote:
>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/006577.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hope we can get those things below implemented early in 2017,
>>>>>>>> however, and get back to LPedia and many other projects, but first
>>>>>>>> we're trying to roll out the new LP.org website.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WARNING #5: INTERNAL SCRIPTS THAT CURRENTLY AUTOMATICALLY SHOOT DATA
>>>>>>> TO STATE AFFILIATES SUCH AS THE VOLUNTEER FORM, THE WANT TO BE A CANDIDATE
>>>>>>> FORM, THE INFO FORM, ETC. MAY STOP WORKING, WHICH WOULD DEPRIVE STATES OF A
>>>>>>> VALUABLE SOURCE OF LEADS DURING A TRANSITION PERIOD.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do these all still work?  I don't know.  I can't currently test this
>>>>>>> as I am not a state chair right now.  I hope someone is testing this
>>>>>>> stuff.  Based on all of the other monumental errors highlighted above, I
>>>>>>> certainly don't trust whoever oversaw the website transition to have done
>>>>>>> this testing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You all made a monumental error when you voted on this website.
>>>>>>> Please do whatever you can to minimize the damage and triage the website
>>>>>>> that is being butchered before your very eyes.  I hope the lost content can
>>>>>>> be restored and the bugs can be fixed ASAP.  Even if everything is fixed
>>>>>>> within the next week though, the timing is still horrendous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton
>>>>>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P.S. See below for context on this botched website transition and
>>>>>>> eerily accurate prophesies from people with a clue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/004164.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) Our website is a joke. I mean a real, horrible, laughable, "maybe
>>>>>>>> it's 1996 and the www portion of the internet has just been
>>>>>>>> unleashed" joke. It's got ridiculous internal ads all over it. It's
>>>>>>>> terribly organized. It uses bad images. It has an outdated font, not
>>>>>>>> great font colors, and antiquated font-spacing and sizing. It barely
>>>>>>>> functions on mobile devices. It's full of information it doesn't
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>> to have. It conveys that we're not a serious organization.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/004283.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We want to do all of these things. So I’m asking you, just stop what
>>>>>>>> you’re doing for 30 seconds, reflect what could happen if we
>>>>>>>> actually tried to accomplish this one little task. What is the WORST
>>>>>>>> that could happen? We fail? We’re in a very slightly worse financial
>>>>>>>> position than we already are? But now consider what is the BEST that
>>>>>>>> could happen? Maybe this tailspin of a cash hole we’re in stops.
>>>>>>>> MAYBE people would see that the LNC is doing something external.
>>>>>>>> MAYBE people would have their morale boosted just a little bit and
>>>>>>>> be more inclined to donate. MAYBE we could use it as a way to
>>>>>>>> leverage requesting donations from people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1321872
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What’s the worst that can happen? It’s not $20,000 wasted. That is
>>>>>>>> pretty stupid thinking there… accounting rather than economics. The
>>>>>>>> worst that can happen is the site is much worse than before. A lot
>>>>>>>> of content is removed. Lack of that content makes it much harder to
>>>>>>>> energize prospects; get donations, volunteers, and candidates; and
>>>>>>>> train libertarians on best practices. A new system requires
>>>>>>>> retraining staff on processes — time that coupd have been devoted to
>>>>>>>> other things. Even after retraining there will be a learning curve…
>>>>>>>> extra time for website related tasks that could have been devoted to
>>>>>>>> other things. Will conversion of new visitors go up with a new
>>>>>>>> flashy styled website? Maybe, but it could also go down, which is a
>>>>>>>> potential cost. This is especially likely when the focus is on
>>>>>>>> design/style rather than the technical features under the hood. When
>>>>>>>> content is removed it may piss off current donors and activists, who
>>>>>>>> may reduce their donations and activism. Both content removal and
>>>>>>>> transitions to a new system may lead some pages to be removed or
>>>>>>>> moved, breaking links to parts of the site from all around the
>>>>>>>> Internet and making us look unprofessional with 404 errors. New
>>>>>>>> sites often start out with a few bugs and errors which can take a
>>>>>>>> while to track down… the site may look less professional in the
>>>>>>>> interim. Transitions can be botched, leading to downtime — at the
>>>>>>>> worst time in the election cycle for such downtime: the presidential
>>>>>>>> campaign. Internal scripts that currently automatically shoot data
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> state affiliates such as the volunteer form, the want to be a
>>>>>>>> candidate form, the info form, etc. may stop working, which would
>>>>>>>> deprive states of a valuable source of leads during a transition
>>>>>>>> period. That’s just what I could come up with off the top of my
>>>>>>>> head…
>>>>>>>> there are probably a lot more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1321907
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’ve launched many large scale sites just in the past year and not a
>>>>>>>> single one of those sites had any of the problems you’re referring
>>>>>>>> to. They DID – when they were on our development and testing servers
>>>>>>>> – but not when they went into production. That’s how web launches
>>>>>>>> are done professionally. A thorough maintenance schedule would also
>>>>>>>> be implemented and the website would be designed for minimal
>>>>>>>> maintainability in the first place. …also in accordance with best
>>>>>>>> practices.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322226
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Furthermore, there is absolutely NO intention to remove Libertarian
>>>>>>>> content from the website. This crowd has an astounding ability to
>>>>>>>> spin half-truths and bake them into something entirely different. I
>>>>>>>> will clarify specifically what is meant by moving them around.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The FRONT PAGE of a website (for a non-profit, business, or any
>>>>>>>> other organization) is NOT to leave people with walls of text. It is
>>>>>>>> to create a fast and positive impression and to get a call to
>>>>>>>> action.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Having dozens and dozens of options is incredibly poor design,
>>>>>>>> thoroughly proven to be ineffective, and generally an archaic
>>>>>>>> website idea. The current website is not responsive; it does not
>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>> well (and not at all in some cases) on mobile and tablet devices.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322257
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great! Somehow in all your emails to the LNC (I read every LNC
>>>>>>>> business list email) you never mentioned anything about the
>>>>>>>> transition process. All you talk about is design/style.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you can manage a transition process well, that’s wonderful. It
>>>>>>>> certainly hasn’t been done in the past. The transition from FoxPro
>>>>>>>> to Raiser’s Edge was a disaster… it resulted in states not receiving
>>>>>>>> working dumps for a year and a lot of records being screwed up
>>>>>>>> (e.g., deceased coming back to life, etc.). During the website
>>>>>>>> transition a decade ago, the LNC meeting minutes archive and the
>>>>>>>> Success 97 and Success 99 seminars were removed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See the IT Committee discussion and report (pp. 15-16, pp. 51-59):
>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20061111.pdf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If there will be no transition hiccups, that’s wonderful news. You
>>>>>>>> still didn’t address all the scripts on the website right now and
>>>>>>>> the technical considerations Shane discussed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’m concerned about giving management of the transition job who only
>>>>>>>> talks about design/style, wants to remove content (supposedly…
>>>>>>>> though I see you have now clarified that), and never mentions a
>>>>>>>> transition plan to minimize problems.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It’s great that you’re finally talking about a transition plan! It’s
>>>>>>>> not my fault it’s the first I’ve heard of it though.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are lots of people in the LP (myself included) who have seen
>>>>>>>> transitions mismanaged and are worried of a repeat of those
>>>>>>>> disasters. We’re not saying the sky is going to fall because of you.
>>>>>>>> We’re saying the sky has fallen in the past, we have documented
>>>>>>>> evidence of this, and you don’t seem as on top of the process as we
>>>>>>>> would hope to prevent similar problems. (You also seem to lack the
>>>>>>>> institutional memory to be aware of these past issues.) That’s a
>>>>>>>> matter of you not communicating your transition plan and experience,
>>>>>>>> not a matter of us being overly pessimistic.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322261
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’m sorry you’ve had people half-ass these efforts in the past. I
>>>>>>>> definitely cannot say I’m surprised. I focus on style because to the
>>>>>>>> external world, style IS the most important thing. This in no way
>>>>>>>> means I neglect the engine, but in 20 years of delivering projects,
>>>>>>>> nearly 100% of clients will respond positively to a broken system
>>>>>>>> that looks amazing over a badass functioning system that looks ugly.
>>>>>>>> It’s just psychology. Again, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t all get
>>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322267
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’ve found libertarians have a different psychology than much of the
>>>>>>>> world. The tech saavy folks will feel talked down to or ignored if
>>>>>>>> you only talk about style, ignoring tech under the hood. The
>>>>>>>> ideological folks will feel defensive if you malign content. I fall
>>>>>>>> in both categories, as do others on this thread.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just something to keep in mind for the future.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stewart Flood wrote:
>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322926
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So they’re creating a new website committee and giving it authority
>>>>>>>> to screw everything up without having to go back to the LNC to get
>>>>>>>> approval on which one of their pals they give the money to?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322930
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, they created a new committee with unlimited power over the
>>>>>>>> website. Then they spent the whole time debating an irrelevant
>>>>>>>> $10,000.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322938
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am hugely concerned about giving any one person carte blanche over
>>>>>>>> the website.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ========================================================
>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> Kevin Ludlow
>> 512-773-3968
>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
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> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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Kevin Ludlow
512-773-3968
http://www.kevinludlow.com
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