[Lnc-business] LP.org website transition botched (as predicted)

Tue Oct 25 23:28:08 EDT 2016

Thank you Kevin.

That is why I was asking staff about them.  If we are talking a matter of
days for that content - that is reasonable.  If moreso, not so much.

-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>

On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:

> Caryn,
>
> I genuinely am not trying to avoid those issues.  I know content is
> there.  What I'm trying to convey is that from my point of view, if those
> documents are "opaque" for another 12 hours, I'm okay with that.  I realize
> you might not be, but this goes back to my volunteering work.  I have to
> prioritize work that I am personally responsible for.
>
> So I will happily weigh in with staff and get links to them.  I can even
> check the admin pages and see what the current URL is provided they have
> been copied and not linked.
>
> But I really need to know if anything is actually not functioning.  This
> is what my current workload is.
>
> I apologize if any of that sounds dismissive.  It's not my intent, but I
> can't do specific projects for you and/or Chuck or the LNC or whomever else
> right now as I need to make sure the site is fully functional.  If/when it
> IS fully functional (which it very well may already be), then we can
> address any missing pieces.
>
> ~k
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','carynannharlos at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Kevin for all your work.
>>
>> I can't though not desire answers on the minutes archives and LNC
>> business list not being there.  That is essential for members and cannot be
>> optional.
>>
>> Can staff answer when those can be restored?  This is an acceptable
>> situation of opacity.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ludlow at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> Caryn,
>>>
>>> I've always gotten along with you just fine as you're very reasonable.
>>>
>>> In this case, I respectfully disagree that it's useful to deliver a
>>> 6-page rant citing the "I told you so" lines when the decision has been
>>> done, executed, and is live.  Further, I have been in this business for 20
>>> years now.  We had roughly 2.5 hours of outages this morning between
>>> roughly 7:45AM and 9:15AM EST.  This was only because of the unknown.
>>> Staff has spent a lot of time testing this software.  It was rolled over
>>> twice already and rolled back just to ensure we COULD roll it back if there
>>> was a major problem.  The point being that we transitioned an entire
>>> infrastructure from 6 services to ONE, the monthly cost savings should be
>>> about $500 once everything is in place, and best I can tell nothing is
>>> broken - there are just complaints that some things are missing (which
>>> they're definitely not, but I'll concede that perhaps staff hasn't finished
>>> adding links - I honestly don't know right now).
>>>
>>> There are no major problems that anyone has reported save for the
>>> overloading this morning.  The page content was always intended to / has
>>> been / and IS preserved.  If a link isn't immediately visible, then staff
>>> can correct that if appropriate.
>>>
>>> IF there are broken links, namely as a URL may have changed and needs to
>>> be forwarded now, I would really, genuinely like to know so I can fix those
>>> problems.  I offered that to Chuck.  I offered it to you.
>>>
>>> That said, we can start however necessary.  I have ostensibly worked on
>>> this for 3.5 straight weeks.  That is not because of the website itself,
>>> but rather the years of garbaged up infrastructure.  We would have rolled
>>> the site out 6 weeks ago if not for all of that.  My point being that I've
>>> been voluntarily taking on FAR more work than was entailed in the website
>>> redesign itself because our infrastructure couldn't handle the modern
>>> codebase (it is roughly 8 years out of spec).
>>>
>>> I would ask that you leave whatever issues you have with content alone
>>> for the time being.  I'm not saying they won't be addressed, I'm saying
>>> that it's not a primary concern.  The primary concern is ensuring that the
>>> site is running so it can serve up any content.  IF there is a problem with
>>> something not loading, we need to know that.
>>>
>>> Staff has copied over existing pages and so nothing is lost or destroyed
>>> or anything of this sort.
>>>
>>> I need to convey though, that I am not on the clock for the people on
>>> this thread.  I have been, and am continuing to volunteer a tremendous
>>> amount of time to ensure this is completed smoothly.  I am happy to try and
>>> fix things that are broken.  I'm very uninterested in listening to Mr.
>>> Molton rant on about his discontent with the structure.  It's done.  That
>>> ship sailed in February.
>>>
>>> So that's where I'm at.  By all means, please inform me of broken pieces
>>> so we can look at and correct anything ASAP.
>>>
>>> ~k
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:01 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kevin,
>>>>
>>>> He was writing as a member to a busy elected to SERVE members.  That
>>>> means sometimes we will hear things we don't want to and have to respond to
>>>> very upset complaints.  No matter what anyone says  - high-handed responses
>>>> are not appropriate IMHO.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't agree with Chuck's desire to see heads roll.  I said so
>>>> respectfully,
>>>>
>>>> Can we start again?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck opened with whoever made the decision was a MORON and should be
>>>>> FIRED.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think my response was in line.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regardless, I remain open to seeing links broken. I'm sure some still
>>>>> exist. We launched the site this morning. Staff has spent weeks testing the
>>>>> site and fixing links and such. I'm all for fixing dead links, but 6 pages
>>>>> of complaints without any information is not helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I'm not a member of the LNC. I'm a volunteer only. So I don't
>>>>> really owe anyone anything. I've delightfully put in a couple hundred hours
>>>>> so far. That's the best I'm willing to do at this point given such a
>>>>> response.
>>>>>
>>>>> K
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Kevin, that was an inappropriate response to concerns of a member
>>>>>> IMHO- his concerns are valid and shouldn't be dismissed as "oh you
>>>>>> Libertarians, you are a minority - we can safely ignore you."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where are the links to the LNC Business list, the old blog articles,
>>>>>> and the past minutes?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can we have the discussion without sarcasm and without putting down
>>>>>> Libertarians as inconsequential?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Chuck,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the constructive feedback.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll delightfully take credit/responsibility for whatever and all
>>>>>>> actions you've written about.  Please pardon Nick, Robert, Wes, and anybody
>>>>>>> else in your crosshairs.  I'm sure they'll be relieved to be spared.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not going to read that entire document you've sent as I've spent
>>>>>>> the last 3 weeks trying to fix the party's infrastructure for the website
>>>>>>> TO go live.  It was finished two days ago, it was launched last night.
>>>>>>> That was my call.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What would be useful right now would be if you could point out the
>>>>>>> broken links so that we can assign permanent redirects to them.  Any page
>>>>>>> content that existed STILL exists.  This has been made clear over and over
>>>>>>> again.  It's possible that some page links have not been forwarded, but
>>>>>>> I've been monitoring logs on all 4 servers all day and have not seen many
>>>>>>> 404s.  The downtime this morning wasn't actually from an outage, but rather
>>>>>>> ME under-predicting the load our servers would take.  This is admittedly
>>>>>>> because I didn't have any data to go on because -- well -- we've not really
>>>>>>> ever kept any before.  I made the best prediction I could; I way
>>>>>>> under-estimated.  The servers were scaled up and unless you're seeing
>>>>>>> something different, the site has been running fine all day since about
>>>>>>> 9:45am CST.  It was running before that just fine too, but the morning
>>>>>>> surge in traffic overwhelmed it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So anyway, if you'd like to submit broken links, we'd love to set up
>>>>>>> additional forwards.  Overall though, I'm pretty happy with the change.
>>>>>>> I'm happy we've done it before the election - even if it wound up being
>>>>>>> delayed from our proposed launch of September 29th.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The old site was very, very bad.  I know you're a tech guy all the
>>>>>>> way.  I know words resonate with you and not colors and images and feelings
>>>>>>> and emotions.  But you comprise a very, very, VERY small portion of the
>>>>>>> American electorate and the new site was designed to appeal to people who
>>>>>>> are visually oriented, not interested in reading walls of text, and might
>>>>>>> have the attention span of a few seconds at best (eg: the vast majority of
>>>>>>> people).  It was designed for people who might not care about the
>>>>>>> Libertarian Party - in hopes that something grabs their attention and they
>>>>>>> begin to care.  We don't need to "win over" existing Libertarians -- or at
>>>>>>> least one would think, but it's honestly hard to tell these days.
>>>>>>> Regardless, it was decided.  It's done.  You can hate it.  But I'd still
>>>>>>> love your help in knowing where links are broken instead of mostly ignoring
>>>>>>> another wall of text.  That would help ensure that it's in good shape.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you'd like to vent further, feel free to call me at 512-773-3968
>>>>>>> to spare the group.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Chuck Moulton <chuck at moulton.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LNC members,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many of the problems I warned about have in fact come to pass.  It
>>>>>>>> is Cassandra's Curse: always right but never believed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See the exchange from IPR quoted below (in the P.S.) for context
>>>>>>>> and institutional memory.  I'll quote and discuss some of the highlights
>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WARNING #1: TRANSITIONS CAN BE BOTCHED, LEADING TO DOWNTIME — AT
>>>>>>>> THE WORST TIME IN THE ELECTION CYCLE FOR SUCH DOWNTIME: THE PRESIDENTIAL
>>>>>>>> CAMPAIGN.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This buggy transition was implemented 13 days before the
>>>>>>>> presidential election.  That is the 13th worst day in a 4 year cycle to
>>>>>>>> unveil a new a new website.  There were/are 1,448 better days to change to
>>>>>>>> a new website in a 4 year cycle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Whatever MORON decided to switch to a new website today instead of
>>>>>>>> after the election should be immediately FIRED.  Do not pass go, do not
>>>>>>>> collect $200.  FIRED.  I can't imagine a stupider, more incompetent,
>>>>>>>> strategically insane decision than pulling the plug on a working website
>>>>>>>> and trying out a new, buggy website immediately before a presidential
>>>>>>>> election.  It is INSANE.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I like staff, but if Wes Benedict made this idiotic decision, FIRE
>>>>>>>> HIM IMMEDIATELY.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I like much of the LNC, but if Nick Sarwark made this idiotic
>>>>>>>> decision, SUSPEND HIM FOR CAUSE IMMEDIATELY (I'll gladly recuse myself as a
>>>>>>>> member of the Judicial Committee if he appeals).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If Kevin Ludlow made this idiotic decision, RESCIND THE FEBRUARY
>>>>>>>> 2016 MOTION GIVING LUDLOW UNILATERAL AUTHORITY OVER THE LP'S MOST IMPORTANT
>>>>>>>> ASSET IMMEDIATELY.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everything we were told about a professional transition that does
>>>>>>>> not suffer from the pitfalls I highlighted was a lie.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It takes significantly more time for lp.org pages to load than
>>>>>>>> before. The site has been down on & off all day long.  For a while people
>>>>>>>> were directed to another domain whenever they went to a LP page:
>>>>>>>> libparty.zocalodesign.com.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WARNING #2: A LOT OF CONTENT IS REMOVED. LACK OF THAT CONTENT MAKES
>>>>>>>> IT MUCH HARDER TO ENERGIZE PROSPECTS; GET DONATIONS, VOLUNTEERS, AND
>>>>>>>> CANDIDATES; AND TRAIN LIBERTARIANS ON BEST PRACTICES.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In fact (as predicted), a lot of content has been removed from
>>>>>>>> lp.org.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For example, as chair of the Judicial Committee I wonder what
>>>>>>>> happened to the webpage listing bylaws mandated committee members?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where is the link to the LP Business list?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where are the LNC minute archives before 2015?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I could go on and on, but I cover this point more broadly in my
>>>>>>>> next unheeded warning.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was repeatedly assured that content would not be removed, except
>>>>>>>> that the front page would be made less cluttered.  That was a lie.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WARNING #3: BOTH CONTENT REMOVAL AND TRANSITIONS TO A NEW SYSTEM
>>>>>>>> MAY LEAD SOME PAGES TO BE REMOVED OR MOVED, BREAKING LINKS TO PARTS OF THE
>>>>>>>> SITE FROM ALL AROUND THE INTERNET AND MAKING US LOOK UNPROFESSIONAL WITH
>>>>>>>> 404 ERRORS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The number of 404 errors is shocking!  Activists have been out
>>>>>>>> there for months / years promoting our website by linking to it --
>>>>>>>> especially during this presidential election.  Most of those links are now
>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just try clicking on many of these links:
>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=site%3Alp.or
>>>>>>>> g&oq=site%3Alp.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been told the solution is just to report each broken link.
>>>>>>>> That is ridiculous!  It is completely unprofessional for a website
>>>>>>>> transition to be reactive instead of proactive -- especially given that
>>>>>>>> broken links probably number in the thousands.  We were assured that this
>>>>>>>> would be a professional transition, but that was a lie.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WARNING #4: A NEW SYSTEM REQUIRES RETRAINING STAFF ON PROCESSES —
>>>>>>>> TIME THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DEVOTED TO OTHER THINGS.  EVEN AFTER RETRAINING
>>>>>>>> THERE WILL BE A LEARNING CURVE… EXTRA TIME FOR WEBSITE RELATED TASKS THAT
>>>>>>>> COULD HAVE BEEN DEVOTED TO OTHER THINGS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In fact (as predicted), staff has mentioned that the website
>>>>>>>> transition has taken staff time that could have been devoted to other
>>>>>>>> matters in this busy election season.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wes Benedict wrote:
>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/006577.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I hope we can get those things below implemented early in 2017,
>>>>>>>>> however, and get back to LPedia and many other projects, but first
>>>>>>>>> we're trying to roll out the new LP.org website.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WARNING #5: INTERNAL SCRIPTS THAT CURRENTLY AUTOMATICALLY SHOOT
>>>>>>>> DATA TO STATE AFFILIATES SUCH AS THE VOLUNTEER FORM, THE WANT TO BE A
>>>>>>>> CANDIDATE FORM, THE INFO FORM, ETC. MAY STOP WORKING, WHICH WOULD DEPRIVE
>>>>>>>> STATES OF A VALUABLE SOURCE OF LEADS DURING A TRANSITION PERIOD.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do these all still work?  I don't know.  I can't currently test
>>>>>>>> this as I am not a state chair right now.  I hope someone is testing this
>>>>>>>> stuff.  Based on all of the other monumental errors highlighted above, I
>>>>>>>> certainly don't trust whoever oversaw the website transition to have done
>>>>>>>> this testing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You all made a monumental error when you voted on this website.
>>>>>>>> Please do whatever you can to minimize the damage and triage the website
>>>>>>>> that is being butchered before your very eyes.  I hope the lost content can
>>>>>>>> be restored and the bugs can be fixed ASAP.  Even if everything is fixed
>>>>>>>> within the next week though, the timing is still horrendous.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton
>>>>>>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> P.S. See below for context on this botched website transition and
>>>>>>>> eerily accurate prophesies from people with a clue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/004164.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1) Our website is a joke. I mean a real, horrible, laughable,
>>>>>>>>> "maybe
>>>>>>>>> it's 1996 and the www portion of the internet has just been
>>>>>>>>> unleashed" joke. It's got ridiculous internal ads all over it. It's
>>>>>>>>> terribly organized. It uses bad images. It has an outdated font,
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> great font colors, and antiquated font-spacing and sizing. It
>>>>>>>>> barely
>>>>>>>>> functions on mobile devices. It's full of information it doesn't
>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>> to have. It conveys that we're not a serious organization.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/004283.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We want to do all of these things. So I’m asking you, just stop
>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>> you’re doing for 30 seconds, reflect what could happen if we
>>>>>>>>> actually tried to accomplish this one little task. What is the
>>>>>>>>> WORST
>>>>>>>>> that could happen? We fail? We’re in a very slightly worse
>>>>>>>>> financial
>>>>>>>>> position than we already are? But now consider what is the BEST
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> could happen? Maybe this tailspin of a cash hole we’re in stops.
>>>>>>>>> MAYBE people would see that the LNC is doing something external.
>>>>>>>>> MAYBE people would have their morale boosted just a little bit and
>>>>>>>>> be more inclined to donate. MAYBE we could use it as a way to
>>>>>>>>> leverage requesting donations from people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1321872
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What’s the worst that can happen? It’s not $20,000 wasted. That is
>>>>>>>>> pretty stupid thinking there… accounting rather than economics. The
>>>>>>>>> worst that can happen is the site is much worse than before. A lot
>>>>>>>>> of content is removed. Lack of that content makes it much harder to
>>>>>>>>> energize prospects; get donations, volunteers, and candidates; and
>>>>>>>>> train libertarians on best practices. A new system requires
>>>>>>>>> retraining staff on processes — time that coupd have been devoted
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> other things. Even after retraining there will be a learning curve…
>>>>>>>>> extra time for website related tasks that could have been devoted
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> other things. Will conversion of new visitors go up with a new
>>>>>>>>> flashy styled website? Maybe, but it could also go down, which is a
>>>>>>>>> potential cost. This is especially likely when the focus is on
>>>>>>>>> design/style rather than the technical features under the hood.
>>>>>>>>> When
>>>>>>>>> content is removed it may piss off current donors and activists,
>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>> may reduce their donations and activism. Both content removal and
>>>>>>>>> transitions to a new system may lead some pages to be removed or
>>>>>>>>> moved, breaking links to parts of the site from all around the
>>>>>>>>> Internet and making us look unprofessional with 404 errors. New
>>>>>>>>> sites often start out with a few bugs and errors which can take a
>>>>>>>>> while to track down… the site may look less professional in the
>>>>>>>>> interim. Transitions can be botched, leading to downtime — at the
>>>>>>>>> worst time in the election cycle for such downtime: the
>>>>>>>>> presidential
>>>>>>>>> campaign. Internal scripts that currently automatically shoot data
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> state affiliates such as the volunteer form, the want to be a
>>>>>>>>> candidate form, the info form, etc. may stop working, which would
>>>>>>>>> deprive states of a valuable source of leads during a transition
>>>>>>>>> period. That’s just what I could come up with off the top of my
>>>>>>>>> head…
>>>>>>>>> there are probably a lot more.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1321907
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I’ve launched many large scale sites just in the past year and not
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> single one of those sites had any of the problems you’re referring
>>>>>>>>> to. They DID – when they were on our development and testing
>>>>>>>>> servers
>>>>>>>>> – but not when they went into production. That’s how web launches
>>>>>>>>> are done professionally. A thorough maintenance schedule would also
>>>>>>>>> be implemented and the website would be designed for minimal
>>>>>>>>> maintainability in the first place. …also in accordance with best
>>>>>>>>> practices.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322226
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Furthermore, there is absolutely NO intention to remove Libertarian
>>>>>>>>> content from the website. This crowd has an astounding ability to
>>>>>>>>> spin half-truths and bake them into something entirely different. I
>>>>>>>>> will clarify specifically what is meant by moving them around.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The FRONT PAGE of a website (for a non-profit, business, or any
>>>>>>>>> other organization) is NOT to leave people with walls of text. It
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> to create a fast and positive impression and to get a call to
>>>>>>>>> action.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Having dozens and dozens of options is incredibly poor design,
>>>>>>>>> thoroughly proven to be ineffective, and generally an archaic
>>>>>>>>> website idea. The current website is not responsive; it does not
>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>> well (and not at all in some cases) on mobile and tablet devices.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322257
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Great! Somehow in all your emails to the LNC (I read every LNC
>>>>>>>>> business list email) you never mentioned anything about the
>>>>>>>>> transition process. All you talk about is design/style.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you can manage a transition process well, that’s wonderful. It
>>>>>>>>> certainly hasn’t been done in the past. The transition from FoxPro
>>>>>>>>> to Raiser’s Edge was a disaster… it resulted in states not
>>>>>>>>> receiving
>>>>>>>>> working dumps for a year and a lot of records being screwed up
>>>>>>>>> (e.g., deceased coming back to life, etc.). During the website
>>>>>>>>> transition a decade ago, the LNC meeting minutes archive and the
>>>>>>>>> Success 97 and Success 99 seminars were removed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> See the IT Committee discussion and report (pp. 15-16, pp. 51-59):
>>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20061111.pdf
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If there will be no transition hiccups, that’s wonderful news. You
>>>>>>>>> still didn’t address all the scripts on the website right now and
>>>>>>>>> the technical considerations Shane discussed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I’m concerned about giving management of the transition job who
>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>> talks about design/style, wants to remove content (supposedly…
>>>>>>>>> though I see you have now clarified that), and never mentions a
>>>>>>>>> transition plan to minimize problems.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It’s great that you’re finally talking about a transition plan!
>>>>>>>>> It’s
>>>>>>>>> not my fault it’s the first I’ve heard of it though.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are lots of people in the LP (myself included) who have seen
>>>>>>>>> transitions mismanaged and are worried of a repeat of those
>>>>>>>>> disasters. We’re not saying the sky is going to fall because of
>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>> We’re saying the sky has fallen in the past, we have documented
>>>>>>>>> evidence of this, and you don’t seem as on top of the process as we
>>>>>>>>> would hope to prevent similar problems. (You also seem to lack the
>>>>>>>>> institutional memory to be aware of these past issues.) That’s a
>>>>>>>>> matter of you not communicating your transition plan and
>>>>>>>>> experience,
>>>>>>>>> not a matter of us being overly pessimistic.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322261
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I’m sorry you’ve had people half-ass these efforts in the past. I
>>>>>>>>> definitely cannot say I’m surprised. I focus on style because to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> external world, style IS the most important thing. This in no way
>>>>>>>>> means I neglect the engine, but in 20 years of delivering projects,
>>>>>>>>> nearly 100% of clients will respond positively to a broken system
>>>>>>>>> that looks amazing over a badass functioning system that looks
>>>>>>>>> ugly.
>>>>>>>>> It’s just psychology. Again, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t all get
>>>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322267
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I’ve found libertarians have a different psychology than much of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> world. The tech saavy folks will feel talked down to or ignored if
>>>>>>>>> you only talk about style, ignoring tech under the hood. The
>>>>>>>>> ideological folks will feel defensive if you malign content. I fall
>>>>>>>>> in both categories, as do others on this thread.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just something to keep in mind for the future.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stewart Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322926
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So they’re creating a new website committee and giving it authority
>>>>>>>>> to screw everything up without having to go back to the LNC to get
>>>>>>>>> approval on which one of their pals they give the money to?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322930
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, they created a new committee with unlimited power over the
>>>>>>>>> website. Then they spent the whole time debating an irrelevant
>>>>>>>>> $10,000.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322938
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am hugely concerned about giving any one person carte blanche
>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>> the website.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ========================================================
>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>> 512-773-3968
>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org');>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> ========================================================
> Kevin Ludlow
> 512-773-3968
> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>
>

-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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