[Lnc-business] LP.org website transition botched (as predicted)
Caryn Ann Harlos
carynannharlos at gmail.com
Wed Oct 26 00:48:53 EDT 2016
Kevin, I do not believe that is a credible, reasonable or member rights'
honouring interpretation of the Bylaws.
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hah. Well to be fair it just says they have to be in a permanent archive
> on the website. That is still technically the case. It doesn't actually
> stipulate they have to be publicly visible, just archived. Just sayin..
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','carynannharlos at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Kevin, the Party, and the LNC if it does not act (and I consider securing
>> a promise that this will be fixed in a matter of days an "act") is in
>> violation of the Bylaws. My duty is to protect the membes' rights under
>> the Bylaws. I had to make it publicly known that I see the Bylaws
>> violation and am committed to making sure it gets fixed. That is my duty
>> as representative of the members in my Region.
>>
>> There is nothing that can be done now, but a website should not have gone
>> live that is in violation of our Bylaws.
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org');>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:27 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ludlow at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> Again, duly noted.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure *who* is in violation of the bylaws, but I can't give you
>>> them any faster than we're going. Obviously as the one handling these
>>> issues, I will take full responsibility for it. And since I'm not sure
>>> what it means for me to be in violation of the bylaws.
>>>
>>> ...and I'm not even trying to be smug, but really, what can I possibly
>>> do right this second that knowing that is going to change?
>>>
>>> ~k
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 11:23 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','carynannharlos at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Everyone, I will chill out a few days as promised, but I want to get on
>>>> the record that not having the LNC minutes and link to the LNC Business
>>>> List on the website when it went live is a clear Bylaws violation. I am
>>>> uninterested in whether or not a marketing firm thinks that is "autustic"
>>>> or not. I look forward to this being put to head of the pile to correct.
>>>> Whether or not anyone else thinks this should be a priority, our Bylaws say
>>>> otherwise. The site should not have went live without this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1.
>>>>
>>>> The Secretary or a designee shall promptly post notice for each
>>>> session of the National Committee; any National Committee proposed agendas;
>>>> and approved minutes of each Convention and open National Committee session
>>>> to a permanent archive section on the Party’s website. Any person may
>>>> record the National Committee’s proceedings while in open session, or
>>>> subscribe to a read-only email list on which LNC votes are recorded.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org');>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:05 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ludlow at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Ken, for the constructive position.
>>>>>
>>>>> As noted, I would really like to get actual problems with the site
>>>>> organized so that they can be tackled. Staff has been working on testing;
>>>>> I have been building the infrastructure.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is very useful to be informed of visible problems so that we can
>>>>> address them so any effort you're willing to make in that regard is highly
>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~k
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ken.moellman at lpky.org');>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been involved in lots of various projects throughout my IT
>>>>>> career. This website project seems to fit the stereotypical IT project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I personally don't like the layout of the website, but I'm a grumpy
>>>>>> "old" man who still likes 2006-era website layouts with drop-down menus and
>>>>>> whatnot. The design we need, however, is one targeted at millenials. We
>>>>>> know this because of the Johnson campaign's polling. That's the future of
>>>>>> this party. I believe that this website accomplishes that task. I'd be
>>>>>> interested to see how it looks on a mobile (I'm also still using a
>>>>>> Blackberry. Don't ask.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kevin - Thank you for continuing onward with this project, even
>>>>>> though you are no longer on the LNC. As one who's been embroiled in
>>>>>> volunteer projects that have run over time and over budget, I know how much
>>>>>> of a PITA it is to put the time in and also take the inevitable hits. I'm
>>>>>> sure you're all too aware, as well. But I wanted to make sure you knew that
>>>>>> at least I knew and recognized what's up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chuck, and others with concerns - Let's make a list of the "what's
>>>>>> wrong", try to prioritize that list based on importance and easy
>>>>>> of resolution, and try to work through them. Any website changeover will
>>>>>> take time to fix. I know there are some "broken links" where people
>>>>>> externally linked things like LP.org/join ... I have a cool graphic from
>>>>>> The Advocates that we used on LPKY.org that has the same problem. These can
>>>>>> ad should be resolved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As the new IT committee is formed, I'm sure we'll be tasked
>>>>>> with assessing these issues and implementing fixes. I ask that everyone
>>>>>> please be patient. We have 2 weeks until the election is over. If there's
>>>>>> anything election-related that's not working, then we definitely need to
>>>>>> address that immediately. Otherwise, let's get through Nov 8th and then we
>>>>>> can push forward with this and other projects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2016-10-25 23:38, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Kevin. I will cool my jets on that issue for a few days
>>>>>> and check back in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ludlow at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No problem, Caryn.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wouldn't even think days. I would think A day. Staff was tasked
>>>>>>> with taking each page from the old Drupal system and importing it into the
>>>>>>> new one. As far as I know ALL pages were copied over. They were copied
>>>>>>> into 1 of 6 (or so) different page templates that were created to serve
>>>>>>> different formats of data. So I'm certain we have everything. Even if it
>>>>>>> hadn't been copied over, we still have it and it would just need TO BE
>>>>>>> copied over, but I don't believe this is the case. I believe in those
>>>>>>> cases the links structure may have changed. We have been updating these so
>>>>>>> that all incoming links to the old structure point to the appropriate new
>>>>>>> structure and send out PERMANENT REDIRECT notifications to Google and such
>>>>>>> (so things are updated).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~k
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you Kevin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is why I was asking staff about them. If we are talking a
>>>>>>>> matter of days for that content - that is reasonable. If moreso, not so
>>>>>>>> much.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I genuinely am not trying to avoid those issues. I know content
>>>>>>>>> is there. What I'm trying to convey is that from my point of view, if
>>>>>>>>> those documents are "opaque" for another 12 hours, I'm okay with that. I
>>>>>>>>> realize you might not be, but this goes back to my volunteering work. I
>>>>>>>>> have to prioritize work that I am personally responsible for.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So I will happily weigh in with staff and get links to them. I
>>>>>>>>> can even check the admin pages and see what the current URL is provided
>>>>>>>>> they have been copied and not linked.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But I really need to know if anything is actually not
>>>>>>>>> functioning. This is what my current workload is.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I apologize if any of that sounds dismissive. It's not my intent,
>>>>>>>>> but I can't do specific projects for you and/or Chuck or the LNC or
>>>>>>>>> whomever else right now as I need to make sure the site is fully
>>>>>>>>> functional. If/when it IS fully functional (which it very well may already
>>>>>>>>> be), then we can address any missing pieces.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ~k
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Kevin for all your work.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I can't though not desire answers on the minutes archives and LNC
>>>>>>>>>> business list not being there. That is essential for members and cannot be
>>>>>>>>>> optional.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can staff answer when those can be restored? This is an
>>>>>>>>>> acceptable situation of opacity.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've always gotten along with you just fine as you're very
>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In this case, I respectfully disagree that it's useful to
>>>>>>>>>>> deliver a 6-page rant citing the "I told you so" lines when the decision
>>>>>>>>>>> has been done, executed, and is live. Further, I have been in this
>>>>>>>>>>> business for 20 years now. We had roughly 2.5 hours of outages this
>>>>>>>>>>> morning between roughly 7:45AM and 9:15AM EST. This was only because of
>>>>>>>>>>> the unknown. Staff has spent a lot of time testing this software. It was
>>>>>>>>>>> rolled over twice already and rolled back just to ensure we COULD roll it
>>>>>>>>>>> back if there was a major problem. The point being that we transitioned an
>>>>>>>>>>> entire infrastructure from 6 services to ONE, the monthly cost savings
>>>>>>>>>>> should be about $500 once everything is in place, and best I can tell
>>>>>>>>>>> nothing is broken - there are just complaints that some things are missing
>>>>>>>>>>> (which they're definitely not, but I'll concede that perhaps staff hasn't
>>>>>>>>>>> finished adding links - I honestly don't know right now).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There are no major problems that anyone has reported save for
>>>>>>>>>>> the overloading this morning. The page content was always intended to /
>>>>>>>>>>> has been / and IS preserved. If a link isn't immediately visible, then
>>>>>>>>>>> staff can correct that if appropriate.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> IF there are broken links, namely as a URL may have changed and
>>>>>>>>>>> needs to be forwarded now, I would really, genuinely like to know so I can
>>>>>>>>>>> fix those problems. I offered that to Chuck. I offered it to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That said, we can start however necessary. I have ostensibly
>>>>>>>>>>> worked on this for 3.5 straight weeks. That is not because of the website
>>>>>>>>>>> itself, but rather the years of garbaged up infrastructure. We would have
>>>>>>>>>>> rolled the site out 6 weeks ago if not for all of that. My point being
>>>>>>>>>>> that I've been voluntarily taking on FAR more work than was entailed in the
>>>>>>>>>>> website redesign itself because our infrastructure couldn't handle the
>>>>>>>>>>> modern codebase (it is roughly 8 years out of spec).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would ask that you leave whatever issues you have with content
>>>>>>>>>>> alone for the time being. I'm not saying they won't be addressed, I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> saying that it's not a primary concern. The primary concern is ensuring
>>>>>>>>>>> that the site is running so it can serve up any content. IF there is a
>>>>>>>>>>> problem with something not loading, we need to know that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Staff has copied over existing pages and so nothing is lost or
>>>>>>>>>>> destroyed or anything of this sort.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I need to convey though, that I am not on the clock for the
>>>>>>>>>>> people on this thread. I have been, and am continuing to volunteer a
>>>>>>>>>>> tremendous amount of time to ensure this is completed smoothly. I am happy
>>>>>>>>>>> to try and fix things that are broken. I'm very uninterested in listening
>>>>>>>>>>> to Mr. Molton rant on about his discontent with the structure. It's done.
>>>>>>>>>>> That ship sailed in February.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So that's where I'm at. By all means, please inform me of
>>>>>>>>>>> broken pieces so we can look at and correct anything ASAP.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ~k
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:01 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> He was writing as a member to a busy elected to SERVE members.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That means sometimes we will hear things we don't want to and have to
>>>>>>>>>>>> respond to very upset complaints. No matter what anyone says -
>>>>>>>>>>>> high-handed responses are not appropriate IMHO.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't agree with Chuck's desire to see heads roll. I said
>>>>>>>>>>>> so respectfully,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can we start again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
>>>>>>>>>>>> Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck opened with whoever made the decision was a MORON and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be FIRED.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think my response was in line.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, I remain open to seeing links broken. I'm sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>> some still exist. We launched the site this morning. Staff has spent weeks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> testing the site and fixing links and such. I'm all for fixing dead links,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but 6 pages of complaints without any information is not helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, I'm not a member of the LNC. I'm a volunteer only. So I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't really owe anyone anything. I've delightfully put in a couple hundred
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hours so far. That's the best I'm willing to do at this point given such a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> response.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin, that was an inappropriate response to concerns of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> member IMHO- his concerns are valid and shouldn't be dismissed as "oh you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarians, you are a minority - we can safely ignore you."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where are the links to the LNC Business list, the old blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> articles, and the past minutes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can we have the discussion without sarcasm and without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> putting down Libertarians as inconsequential?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Kevin Ludlow <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Chuck,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the constructive feedback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll delightfully take credit/responsibility for whatever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and all actions you've written about. Please pardon Nick, Robert, Wes, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anybody else in your crosshairs. I'm sure they'll be relieved to be spared.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not going to read that entire document you've sent as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've spent the last 3 weeks trying to fix the party's infrastructure for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the website TO go live. It was finished two days ago, it was launched last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> night. That was my call.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What would be useful right now would be if you could point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out the broken links so that we can assign permanent redirects to them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any page content that existed STILL exists. This has been made clear over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and over again. It's possible that some page links have not been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forwarded, but I've been monitoring logs on all 4 servers all day and have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not seen many 404s. The downtime this morning wasn't actually from an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outage, but rather ME under-predicting the load our servers would take.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is admittedly because I didn't have any data to go on because -- well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- we've not really ever kept any before. I made the best prediction I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could; I way under-estimated. The servers were scaled up and unless you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seeing something different, the site has been running fine all day since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about 9:45am CST. It was running before that just fine too, but the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> morning surge in traffic overwhelmed it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So anyway, if you'd like to submit broken links, we'd love
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to set up additional forwards. Overall though, I'm pretty happy with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change. I'm happy we've done it before the election - even if it wound up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being delayed from our proposed launch of September 29th.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The old site was very, very bad. I know you're a tech guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the way. I know words resonate with you and not colors and images and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feelings and emotions. But you comprise a very, very, VERY small portion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the American electorate and the new site was designed to appeal to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people who are visually oriented, not interested in reading walls of text,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and might have the attention span of a few seconds at best (eg: the vast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority of people). It was designed for people who might not care about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Libertarian Party - in hopes that something grabs their attention and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they begin to care. We don't need to "win over" existing Libertarians --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or at least one would think, but it's honestly hard to tell these days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, it was decided. It's done. You can hate it. But I'd still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> love your help in knowing where links are broken instead of mostly ignoring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another wall of text. That would help ensure that it's in good shape.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you'd like to vent further, feel free to call me at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968 to spare the group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Chuck Moulton <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chuck at moulton.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LNC members,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of the problems I warned about have in fact come to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. It is Cassandra's Curse: always right but never believed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the exchange from IPR quoted below (in the P.S.) for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context and institutional memory. I'll quote and discuss some of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> highlights here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #1: TRANSITIONS CAN BE BOTCHED, LEADING TO DOWNTIME
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> — AT THE WORST TIME IN THE ELECTION CYCLE FOR SUCH DOWNTIME: THE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This buggy transition was implemented 13 days before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential election. That is the 13th worst day in a 4 year cycle to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unveil a new a new website. There were/are 1,448 better days to change to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a new website in a 4 year cycle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever MORON decided to switch to a new website today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of after the election should be immediately FIRED. Do not pass go,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not collect $200. FIRED. I can't imagine a stupider, more incompetent,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strategically insane decision than pulling the plug on a working website
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and trying out a new, buggy website immediately before a presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> election. It is INSANE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like staff, but if Wes Benedict made this idiotic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision, FIRE HIM IMMEDIATELY.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like much of the LNC, but if Nick Sarwark made this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiotic decision, SUSPEND HIM FOR CAUSE IMMEDIATELY (I'll gladly recuse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself as a member of the Judicial Committee if he appeals).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Kevin Ludlow made this idiotic decision, RESCIND THE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FEBRUARY 2016 MOTION GIVING LUDLOW UNILATERAL AUTHORITY OVER THE LP'S MOST
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMPORTANT ASSET IMMEDIATELY.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything we were told about a professional transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that does not suffer from the pitfalls I highlighted was a lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It takes significantly more time for lp.org pages to load
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than before. The site has been down on & off all day long. For a while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were directed to another domain whenever they went to a LP page:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libparty.zocalodesign.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #2: A LOT OF CONTENT IS REMOVED. LACK OF THAT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CONTENT MAKES IT MUCH HARDER TO ENERGIZE PROSPECTS; GET DONATIONS,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VOLUNTEERS, AND CANDIDATES; AND TRAIN LIBERTARIANS ON BEST PRACTICES.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact (as predicted), a lot of content has been removed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from lp.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, as chair of the Judicial Committee I wonder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what happened to the webpage listing bylaws mandated committee members?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where is the link to the LP Business list?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where are the LNC minute archives before 2015?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go on and on, but I cover this point more broadly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my next unheeded warning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was repeatedly assured that content would not be removed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except that the front page would be made less cluttered. That was a lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #3: BOTH CONTENT REMOVAL AND TRANSITIONS TO A NEW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SYSTEM MAY LEAD SOME PAGES TO BE REMOVED OR MOVED, BREAKING LINKS TO PARTS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OF THE SITE FROM ALL AROUND THE INTERNET AND MAKING US LOOK UNPROFESSIONAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WITH 404 ERRORS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The number of 404 errors is shocking! Activists have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out there for months / years promoting our website by linking to it --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially during this presidential election. Most of those links are now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just try clicking on many of these links:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site=&source=hp&q=site%3Alp.org&oq=site%3Alp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been told the solution is just to report each broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link. That is ridiculous! It is completely unprofessional for a website
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition to be reactive instead of proactive -- especially given that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links probably number in the thousands. We were assured that this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be a professional transition, but that was a lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #4: A NEW SYSTEM REQUIRES RETRAINING STAFF ON
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROCESSES — TIME THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DEVOTED TO OTHER THINGS. EVEN AFTER
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RETRAINING THERE WILL BE A LEARNING CURVE... EXTRA TIME FOR WEBSITE RELATED
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TASKS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DEVOTED TO OTHER THINGS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact (as predicted), staff has mentioned that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website transition has taken staff time that could have been devoted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other matters in this busy election season.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wes Benedict wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -business_hq.lp.org/2016/006577.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope we can get those things below implemented early in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however, and get back to LPedia and many other projects,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're trying to roll out the new LP.org website.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #5: INTERNAL SCRIPTS THAT CURRENTLY AUTOMATICALLY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SHOOT DATA TO STATE AFFILIATES SUCH AS THE VOLUNTEER FORM, THE WANT TO BE A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CANDIDATE FORM, THE INFO FORM, ETC. MAY STOP WORKING, WHICH WOULD DEPRIVE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> STATES OF A VALUABLE SOURCE OF LEADS DURING A TRANSITION PERIOD.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do these all still work? I don't know. I can't currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> test this as I am not a state chair right now. I hope someone is testing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this stuff. Based on all of the other monumental errors highlighted above,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I certainly don't trust whoever oversaw the website transition to have done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You all made a monumental error when you voted on this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website. Please do whatever you can to minimize the damage and triage the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website that is being butchered before your very eyes. I hope the lost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content can be restored and the bugs can be fixed ASAP. Even if everything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is fixed within the next week though, the timing is still horrendous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. See below for context on this botched website
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition and eerily accurate prophesies from people with a clue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -business_hq.lp.org/2016/004164.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Our website is a joke. I mean a real, horrible,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laughable, "maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's 1996 and the www portion of the internet has just been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unleashed" joke. It's got ridiculous internal ads all over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terribly organized. It uses bad images. It has an outdated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> font, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great font colors, and antiquated font-spacing and sizing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It barely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functions on mobile devices. It's full of information it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have. It conveys that we're not a serious organization.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -business_hq.lp.org/2016/004283.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We want to do all of these things. So I'm asking you, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stop what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're doing for 30 seconds, reflect what could happen if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually tried to accomplish this one little task. What is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the WORST
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that could happen? We fail? We're in a very slightly worse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position than we already are? But now consider what is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BEST that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could happen? Maybe this tailspin of a cash hole we're in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stops.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAYBE people would see that the LNC is doing something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> external.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAYBE people would have their morale boosted just a little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be more inclined to donate. MAYBE we could use it as a way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leverage requesting donations from people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1321872
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's the worst that can happen? It's not $20,000 wasted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty stupid thinking there... accounting rather than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economics. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worst that can happen is the site is much worse than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before. A lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of content is removed. Lack of that content makes it much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harder to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> energize prospects; get donations, volunteers, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates; and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> train libertarians on best practices. A new system requires
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retraining staff on processes — time that coupd have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devoted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other things. Even after retraining there will be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learning curve...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extra time for website related tasks that could have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devoted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other things. Will conversion of new visitors go up with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flashy styled website? Maybe, but it could also go down,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potential cost. This is especially likely when the focus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> design/style rather than the technical features under the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hood. When
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content is removed it may piss off current donors and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> activists, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may reduce their donations and activism. Both content
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removal and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transitions to a new system may lead some pages to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved, breaking links to parts of the site from all around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet and making us look unprofessional with 404
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> errors. New
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sites often start out with a few bugs and errors which can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while to track down... the site may look less professional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interim. Transitions can be botched, leading to downtime —
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worst time in the election cycle for such downtime: the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> campaign. Internal scripts that currently automatically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shoot data to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state affiliates such as the volunteer form, the want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidate form, the info form, etc. may stop working,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deprive states of a valuable source of leads during a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> period. That's just what I could come up with off the top
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of my head...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are probably a lot more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1321907
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've launched many large scale sites just in the past year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and not a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> single one of those sites had any of the problems you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to. They DID – when they were on our development and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> testing servers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> – but not when they went into production. That's how web
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> launches
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are done professionally. A thorough maintenance schedule
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be implemented and the website would be designed for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintainability in the first place. ...also in accordance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practices.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322226
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Furthermore, there is absolutely NO intention to remove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content from the website. This crowd has an astounding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spin half-truths and bake them into something entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will clarify specifically what is meant by moving them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The FRONT PAGE of a website (for a non-profit, business,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other organization) is NOT to leave people with walls of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to create a fast and positive impression and to get a call
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> action.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having dozens and dozens of options is incredibly poor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> design,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoroughly proven to be ineffective, and generally an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> archaic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website idea. The current website is not responsive; it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well (and not at all in some cases) on mobile and tablet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322257
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great! Somehow in all your emails to the LNC (I read every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LNC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business list email) you never mentioned anything about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition process. All you talk about is design/style.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can manage a transition process well, that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonderful. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly hasn't been done in the past. The transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from FoxPro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Raiser's Edge was a disaster... it resulted in states
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not receiving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working dumps for a year and a lot of records being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screwed up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (e.g., deceased coming back to life, etc.). During the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition a decade ago, the LNC meeting minutes archive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Success 97 and Success 99 seminars were removed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the IT Committee discussion and report (pp. 15-16, pp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 51-59):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20061111.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there will be no transition hiccups, that's wonderful
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still didn't address all the scripts on the website right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the technical considerations Shane discussed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm concerned about giving management of the transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> job who only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talks about design/style, wants to remove content
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (supposedly...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though I see you have now clarified that), and never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentions a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition plan to minimize problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's great that you're finally talking about a transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan! It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not my fault it's the first I've heard of it though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are lots of people in the LP (myself included) who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transitions mismanaged and are worried of a repeat of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disasters. We're not saying the sky is going to fall
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We're saying the sky has fallen in the past, we have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence of this, and you don't seem as on top of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process as we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would hope to prevent similar problems. (You also seem to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> institutional memory to be aware of these past issues.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter of you not communicating your transition plan and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not a matter of us being overly pessimistic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322261
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry you've had people half-ass these efforts in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely cannot say I'm surprised. I focus on style
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> external world, style IS the most important thing. This in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> means I neglect the engine, but in 20 years of delivering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nearly 100% of clients will respond positively to a broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that looks amazing over a badass functioning system that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks ugly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just psychology. Again, it doesn't mean it doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322267
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've found libertarians have a different psychology than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world. The tech saavy folks will feel talked down to or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignored if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you only talk about style, ignoring tech under the hood.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideological folks will feel defensive if you malign
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content. I fall
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in both categories, as do others on this thread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just something to keep in mind for the future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stewart Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322926
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So they're creating a new website committee and giving it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authority
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to screw everything up without having to go back to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LNC to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approval on which one of their pals they give the money to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322930
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, they created a new committee with unlimited power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website. Then they spent the whole time debating an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $10,000.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322938
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am hugely concerned about giving any one person carte
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blanche over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the website.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org');>
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Lnc-business at hq.lp.org');>
>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Lnc-business at hq.lp.org');>
>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org');>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Lnc-business at hq.lp.org');>
>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ========================================================
>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>> 512-773-3968
>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Lnc-business at hq.lp.org');>
>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org');>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Lnc-business mailing list
>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Lnc-business at hq.lp.org');>
>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> ========================================================
> Kevin Ludlow
> 512-773-3968
> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>
>
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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