[Lnc-business] LP.org website transition botched (as predicted)
Kevin Ludlow
ludlow at gmail.com
Wed Oct 26 00:52:33 EDT 2016
Great, now I've got to buy off the judicial committee. Sigh*
It was mostly a joke. I know this is your bag, but I'm a thousand miles
from caring about the bylaws this moment. I'm working on practical
solutions to anything missing. I understand you're going to tout that
position. I'm frustrated only because an hour ago we came to what I
thought was a peaceful conclusion. Now I'm told it's a bylaws violation.
There's no penalty of being in violation of the bylaws, so best I can tell
the trajectory I'm on remains the same.
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 11:48 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
> wrote:
> Kevin, I do not believe that is a credible, reasonable or member rights'
> honouring interpretation of the Bylaws.
>
>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hah. Well to be fair it just says they have to be in a permanent archive
>> on the website. That is still technically the case. It doesn't actually
>> stipulate they have to be publicly visible, just archived. Just sayin..
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Kevin, the Party, and the LNC if it does not act (and I consider
>>> securing a promise that this will be fixed in a matter of days an "act") is
>>> in violation of the Bylaws. My duty is to protect the membes' rights under
>>> the Bylaws. I had to make it publicly known that I see the Bylaws
>>> violation and am committed to making sure it gets fixed. That is my duty
>>> as representative of the members in my Region.
>>>
>>> There is nothing that can be done now, but a website should not have
>>> gone live that is in violation of our Bylaws.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:27 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Again, duly noted.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure *who* is in violation of the bylaws, but I can't give you
>>>> them any faster than we're going. Obviously as the one handling these
>>>> issues, I will take full responsibility for it. And since I'm not sure
>>>> what it means for me to be in violation of the bylaws.
>>>>
>>>> ...and I'm not even trying to be smug, but really, what can I possibly
>>>> do right this second that knowing that is going to change?
>>>>
>>>> ~k
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 11:23 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Everyone, I will chill out a few days as promised, but I want to get
>>>>> on the record that not having the LNC minutes and link to the LNC Business
>>>>> List on the website when it went live is a clear Bylaws violation. I am
>>>>> uninterested in whether or not a marketing firm thinks that is "autustic"
>>>>> or not. I look forward to this being put to head of the pile to correct.
>>>>> Whether or not anyone else thinks this should be a priority, our Bylaws say
>>>>> otherwise. The site should not have went live without this.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Secretary or a designee shall promptly post notice for each
>>>>> session of the National Committee; any National Committee proposed agendas;
>>>>> and approved minutes of each Convention and open National Committee session
>>>>> to a permanent archive section on the Party’s website. Any person may
>>>>> record the National Committee’s proceedings while in open session, or
>>>>> subscribe to a read-only email list on which LNC votes are recorded.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:05 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, Ken, for the constructive position.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As noted, I would really like to get actual problems with the site
>>>>>> organized so that they can be tackled. Staff has been working on testing;
>>>>>> I have been building the infrastructure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is very useful to be informed of visible problems so that we can
>>>>>> address them so any effort you're willing to make in that regard is highly
>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~k
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been involved in lots of various projects throughout my IT
>>>>>>> career. This website project seems to fit the stereotypical IT project.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I personally don't like the layout of the website, but I'm a grumpy
>>>>>>> "old" man who still likes 2006-era website layouts with drop-down menus and
>>>>>>> whatnot. The design we need, however, is one targeted at millenials. We
>>>>>>> know this because of the Johnson campaign's polling. That's the future of
>>>>>>> this party. I believe that this website accomplishes that task. I'd be
>>>>>>> interested to see how it looks on a mobile (I'm also still using a
>>>>>>> Blackberry. Don't ask.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kevin - Thank you for continuing onward with this project, even
>>>>>>> though you are no longer on the LNC. As one who's been embroiled in
>>>>>>> volunteer projects that have run over time and over budget, I know how much
>>>>>>> of a PITA it is to put the time in and also take the inevitable hits. I'm
>>>>>>> sure you're all too aware, as well. But I wanted to make sure you knew that
>>>>>>> at least I knew and recognized what's up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chuck, and others with concerns - Let's make a list of the "what's
>>>>>>> wrong", try to prioritize that list based on importance and easy
>>>>>>> of resolution, and try to work through them. Any website changeover will
>>>>>>> take time to fix. I know there are some "broken links" where people
>>>>>>> externally linked things like LP.org/join ... I have a cool graphic from
>>>>>>> The Advocates that we used on LPKY.org that has the same problem. These can
>>>>>>> ad should be resolved.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As the new IT committee is formed, I'm sure we'll be tasked
>>>>>>> with assessing these issues and implementing fixes. I ask that everyone
>>>>>>> please be patient. We have 2 weeks until the election is over. If there's
>>>>>>> anything election-related that's not working, then we definitely need to
>>>>>>> address that immediately. Otherwise, let's get through Nov 8th and then we
>>>>>>> can push forward with this and other projects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2016-10-25 23:38, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you Kevin. I will cool my jets on that issue for a few days
>>>>>>> and check back in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No problem, Caryn.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wouldn't even think days. I would think A day. Staff was tasked
>>>>>>>> with taking each page from the old Drupal system and importing it into the
>>>>>>>> new one. As far as I know ALL pages were copied over. They were copied
>>>>>>>> into 1 of 6 (or so) different page templates that were created to serve
>>>>>>>> different formats of data. So I'm certain we have everything. Even if it
>>>>>>>> hadn't been copied over, we still have it and it would just need TO BE
>>>>>>>> copied over, but I don't believe this is the case. I believe in those
>>>>>>>> cases the links structure may have changed. We have been updating these so
>>>>>>>> that all incoming links to the old structure point to the appropriate new
>>>>>>>> structure and send out PERMANENT REDIRECT notifications to Google and such
>>>>>>>> (so things are updated).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~k
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you Kevin.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is why I was asking staff about them. If we are talking a
>>>>>>>>> matter of days for that content - that is reasonable. If moreso, not so
>>>>>>>>> much.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I genuinely am not trying to avoid those issues. I know content
>>>>>>>>>> is there. What I'm trying to convey is that from my point of view, if
>>>>>>>>>> those documents are "opaque" for another 12 hours, I'm okay with that. I
>>>>>>>>>> realize you might not be, but this goes back to my volunteering work. I
>>>>>>>>>> have to prioritize work that I am personally responsible for.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So I will happily weigh in with staff and get links to them. I
>>>>>>>>>> can even check the admin pages and see what the current URL is provided
>>>>>>>>>> they have been copied and not linked.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But I really need to know if anything is actually not
>>>>>>>>>> functioning. This is what my current workload is.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I apologize if any of that sounds dismissive. It's not my
>>>>>>>>>> intent, but I can't do specific projects for you and/or Chuck or the LNC or
>>>>>>>>>> whomever else right now as I need to make sure the site is fully
>>>>>>>>>> functional. If/when it IS fully functional (which it very well may already
>>>>>>>>>> be), then we can address any missing pieces.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ~k
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Kevin for all your work.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I can't though not desire answers on the minutes archives and
>>>>>>>>>>> LNC business list not being there. That is essential for members and
>>>>>>>>>>> cannot be optional.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can staff answer when those can be restored? This is an
>>>>>>>>>>> acceptable situation of opacity.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've always gotten along with you just fine as you're very
>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In this case, I respectfully disagree that it's useful to
>>>>>>>>>>>> deliver a 6-page rant citing the "I told you so" lines when the decision
>>>>>>>>>>>> has been done, executed, and is live. Further, I have been in this
>>>>>>>>>>>> business for 20 years now. We had roughly 2.5 hours of outages this
>>>>>>>>>>>> morning between roughly 7:45AM and 9:15AM EST. This was only because of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the unknown. Staff has spent a lot of time testing this software. It was
>>>>>>>>>>>> rolled over twice already and rolled back just to ensure we COULD roll it
>>>>>>>>>>>> back if there was a major problem. The point being that we transitioned an
>>>>>>>>>>>> entire infrastructure from 6 services to ONE, the monthly cost savings
>>>>>>>>>>>> should be about $500 once everything is in place, and best I can tell
>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing is broken - there are just complaints that some things are missing
>>>>>>>>>>>> (which they're definitely not, but I'll concede that perhaps staff hasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> finished adding links - I honestly don't know right now).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are no major problems that anyone has reported save for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the overloading this morning. The page content was always intended to /
>>>>>>>>>>>> has been / and IS preserved. If a link isn't immediately visible, then
>>>>>>>>>>>> staff can correct that if appropriate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> IF there are broken links, namely as a URL may have changed and
>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to be forwarded now, I would really, genuinely like to know so I can
>>>>>>>>>>>> fix those problems. I offered that to Chuck. I offered it to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That said, we can start however necessary. I have ostensibly
>>>>>>>>>>>> worked on this for 3.5 straight weeks. That is not because of the website
>>>>>>>>>>>> itself, but rather the years of garbaged up infrastructure. We would have
>>>>>>>>>>>> rolled the site out 6 weeks ago if not for all of that. My point being
>>>>>>>>>>>> that I've been voluntarily taking on FAR more work than was entailed in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> website redesign itself because our infrastructure couldn't handle the
>>>>>>>>>>>> modern codebase (it is roughly 8 years out of spec).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would ask that you leave whatever issues you have with
>>>>>>>>>>>> content alone for the time being. I'm not saying they won't be addressed,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm saying that it's not a primary concern. The primary concern is
>>>>>>>>>>>> ensuring that the site is running so it can serve up any content. IF there
>>>>>>>>>>>> is a problem with something not loading, we need to know that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Staff has copied over existing pages and so nothing is lost or
>>>>>>>>>>>> destroyed or anything of this sort.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I need to convey though, that I am not on the clock for the
>>>>>>>>>>>> people on this thread. I have been, and am continuing to volunteer a
>>>>>>>>>>>> tremendous amount of time to ensure this is completed smoothly. I am happy
>>>>>>>>>>>> to try and fix things that are broken. I'm very uninterested in listening
>>>>>>>>>>>> to Mr. Molton rant on about his discontent with the structure. It's done.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That ship sailed in February.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So that's where I'm at. By all means, please inform me of
>>>>>>>>>>>> broken pieces so we can look at and correct anything ASAP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ~k
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:01 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was writing as a member to a busy elected to SERVE
>>>>>>>>>>>>> members. That means sometimes we will hear things we don't want to and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to respond to very upset complaints. No matter what anyone says -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> high-handed responses are not appropriate IMHO.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't agree with Chuck's desire to see heads roll. I said
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so respectfully,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can we start again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck opened with whoever made the decision was a MORON and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be FIRED.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think my response was in line.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, I remain open to seeing links broken. I'm sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some still exist. We launched the site this morning. Staff has spent weeks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> testing the site and fixing links and such. I'm all for fixing dead links,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but 6 pages of complaints without any information is not helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, I'm not a member of the LNC. I'm a volunteer only. So I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't really owe anyone anything. I've delightfully put in a couple hundred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hours so far. That's the best I'm willing to do at this point given such a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> response.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin, that was an inappropriate response to concerns of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> member IMHO- his concerns are valid and shouldn't be dismissed as "oh you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarians, you are a minority - we can safely ignore you."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where are the links to the LNC Business list, the old blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> articles, and the past minutes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can we have the discussion without sarcasm and without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> putting down Libertarians as inconsequential?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Kevin Ludlow <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Chuck,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the constructive feedback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll delightfully take credit/responsibility for whatever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and all actions you've written about. Please pardon Nick, Robert, Wes, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anybody else in your crosshairs. I'm sure they'll be relieved to be spared.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not going to read that entire document you've sent as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've spent the last 3 weeks trying to fix the party's infrastructure for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the website TO go live. It was finished two days ago, it was launched last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> night. That was my call.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What would be useful right now would be if you could point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out the broken links so that we can assign permanent redirects to them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any page content that existed STILL exists. This has been made clear over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and over again. It's possible that some page links have not been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forwarded, but I've been monitoring logs on all 4 servers all day and have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not seen many 404s. The downtime this morning wasn't actually from an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outage, but rather ME under-predicting the load our servers would take.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is admittedly because I didn't have any data to go on because -- well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- we've not really ever kept any before. I made the best prediction I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could; I way under-estimated. The servers were scaled up and unless you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seeing something different, the site has been running fine all day since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about 9:45am CST. It was running before that just fine too, but the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> morning surge in traffic overwhelmed it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So anyway, if you'd like to submit broken links, we'd love
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to set up additional forwards. Overall though, I'm pretty happy with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change. I'm happy we've done it before the election - even if it wound up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being delayed from our proposed launch of September 29th.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The old site was very, very bad. I know you're a tech guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the way. I know words resonate with you and not colors and images and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feelings and emotions. But you comprise a very, very, VERY small portion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the American electorate and the new site was designed to appeal to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people who are visually oriented, not interested in reading walls of text,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and might have the attention span of a few seconds at best (eg: the vast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority of people). It was designed for people who might not care about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Libertarian Party - in hopes that something grabs their attention and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they begin to care. We don't need to "win over" existing Libertarians --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or at least one would think, but it's honestly hard to tell these days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, it was decided. It's done. You can hate it. But I'd still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> love your help in knowing where links are broken instead of mostly ignoring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another wall of text. That would help ensure that it's in good shape.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you'd like to vent further, feel free to call me at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968 to spare the group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Chuck Moulton <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chuck at moulton.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LNC members,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of the problems I warned about have in fact come to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. It is Cassandra's Curse: always right but never believed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the exchange from IPR quoted below (in the P.S.) for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context and institutional memory. I'll quote and discuss some of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> highlights here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #1: TRANSITIONS CAN BE BOTCHED, LEADING TO
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOWNTIME — AT THE WORST TIME IN THE ELECTION CYCLE FOR SUCH DOWNTIME: THE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This buggy transition was implemented 13 days before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential election. That is the 13th worst day in a 4 year cycle to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unveil a new a new website. There were/are 1,448 better days to change to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a new website in a 4 year cycle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever MORON decided to switch to a new website today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of after the election should be immediately FIRED. Do not pass go,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not collect $200. FIRED. I can't imagine a stupider, more incompetent,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strategically insane decision than pulling the plug on a working website
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and trying out a new, buggy website immediately before a presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> election. It is INSANE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like staff, but if Wes Benedict made this idiotic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision, FIRE HIM IMMEDIATELY.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like much of the LNC, but if Nick Sarwark made this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiotic decision, SUSPEND HIM FOR CAUSE IMMEDIATELY (I'll gladly recuse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself as a member of the Judicial Committee if he appeals).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Kevin Ludlow made this idiotic decision, RESCIND THE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FEBRUARY 2016 MOTION GIVING LUDLOW UNILATERAL AUTHORITY OVER THE LP'S MOST
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMPORTANT ASSET IMMEDIATELY.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything we were told about a professional transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that does not suffer from the pitfalls I highlighted was a lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It takes significantly more time for lp.org pages to load
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than before. The site has been down on & off all day long. For a while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were directed to another domain whenever they went to a LP page:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libparty.zocalodesign.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #2: A LOT OF CONTENT IS REMOVED. LACK OF THAT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CONTENT MAKES IT MUCH HARDER TO ENERGIZE PROSPECTS; GET DONATIONS,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VOLUNTEERS, AND CANDIDATES; AND TRAIN LIBERTARIANS ON BEST PRACTICES.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact (as predicted), a lot of content has been removed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from lp.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, as chair of the Judicial Committee I wonder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what happened to the webpage listing bylaws mandated committee members?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where is the link to the LP Business list?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where are the LNC minute archives before 2015?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go on and on, but I cover this point more broadly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my next unheeded warning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was repeatedly assured that content would not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed, except that the front page would be made less cluttered. That was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #3: BOTH CONTENT REMOVAL AND TRANSITIONS TO A NEW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SYSTEM MAY LEAD SOME PAGES TO BE REMOVED OR MOVED, BREAKING LINKS TO PARTS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OF THE SITE FROM ALL AROUND THE INTERNET AND MAKING US LOOK UNPROFESSIONAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WITH 404 ERRORS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The number of 404 errors is shocking! Activists have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out there for months / years promoting our website by linking to it --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially during this presidential election. Most of those links are now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just try clicking on many of these links:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site=&source=hp&q=site%3Alp.org&oq=site%3Alp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been told the solution is just to report each broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link. That is ridiculous! It is completely unprofessional for a website
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition to be reactive instead of proactive -- especially given that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links probably number in the thousands. We were assured that this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be a professional transition, but that was a lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #4: A NEW SYSTEM REQUIRES RETRAINING STAFF ON
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROCESSES — TIME THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DEVOTED TO OTHER THINGS. EVEN AFTER
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RETRAINING THERE WILL BE A LEARNING CURVE... EXTRA TIME FOR WEBSITE RELATED
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TASKS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DEVOTED TO OTHER THINGS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact (as predicted), staff has mentioned that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website transition has taken staff time that could have been devoted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other matters in this busy election season.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wes Benedict wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -business_hq.lp.org/2016/006577.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope we can get those things below implemented early in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however, and get back to LPedia and many other projects,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're trying to roll out the new LP.org website.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #5: INTERNAL SCRIPTS THAT CURRENTLY AUTOMATICALLY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SHOOT DATA TO STATE AFFILIATES SUCH AS THE VOLUNTEER FORM, THE WANT TO BE A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CANDIDATE FORM, THE INFO FORM, ETC. MAY STOP WORKING, WHICH WOULD DEPRIVE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> STATES OF A VALUABLE SOURCE OF LEADS DURING A TRANSITION PERIOD.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do these all still work? I don't know. I can't currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> test this as I am not a state chair right now. I hope someone is testing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this stuff. Based on all of the other monumental errors highlighted above,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I certainly don't trust whoever oversaw the website transition to have done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You all made a monumental error when you voted on this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website. Please do whatever you can to minimize the damage and triage the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website that is being butchered before your very eyes. I hope the lost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content can be restored and the bugs can be fixed ASAP. Even if everything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is fixed within the next week though, the timing is still horrendous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. See below for context on this botched website
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition and eerily accurate prophesies from people with a clue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -business_hq.lp.org/2016/004164.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Our website is a joke. I mean a real, horrible,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laughable, "maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's 1996 and the www portion of the internet has just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unleashed" joke. It's got ridiculous internal ads all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over it. It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terribly organized. It uses bad images. It has an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated font, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great font colors, and antiquated font-spacing and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sizing. It barely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functions on mobile devices. It's full of information it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have. It conveys that we're not a serious organization.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -business_hq.lp.org/2016/004283.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We want to do all of these things. So I'm asking you,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just stop what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're doing for 30 seconds, reflect what could happen if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually tried to accomplish this one little task. What
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the WORST
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that could happen? We fail? We're in a very slightly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worse financial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position than we already are? But now consider what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the BEST that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could happen? Maybe this tailspin of a cash hole we're in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stops.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAYBE people would see that the LNC is doing something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> external.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAYBE people would have their morale boosted just a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little bit and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be more inclined to donate. MAYBE we could use it as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leverage requesting donations from people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1321872
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's the worst that can happen? It's not $20,000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasted. That is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty stupid thinking there... accounting rather than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economics. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worst that can happen is the site is much worse than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before. A lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of content is removed. Lack of that content makes it much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harder to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> energize prospects; get donations, volunteers, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates; and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> train libertarians on best practices. A new system
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requires
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retraining staff on processes — time that coupd have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devoted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other things. Even after retraining there will be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learning curve...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extra time for website related tasks that could have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devoted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other things. Will conversion of new visitors go up with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flashy styled website? Maybe, but it could also go down,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potential cost. This is especially likely when the focus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> design/style rather than the technical features under the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hood. When
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content is removed it may piss off current donors and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> activists, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may reduce their donations and activism. Both content
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removal and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transitions to a new system may lead some pages to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved, breaking links to parts of the site from all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet and making us look unprofessional with 404
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> errors. New
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sites often start out with a few bugs and errors which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can take a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while to track down... the site may look less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> professional in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interim. Transitions can be botched, leading to downtime
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> — at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worst time in the election cycle for such downtime: the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> campaign. Internal scripts that currently automatically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shoot data to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state affiliates such as the volunteer form, the want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidate form, the info form, etc. may stop working,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deprive states of a valuable source of leads during a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> period. That's just what I could come up with off the top
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of my head...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are probably a lot more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1321907
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've launched many large scale sites just in the past
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> year and not a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> single one of those sites had any of the problems you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to. They DID – when they were on our development and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> testing servers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> – but not when they went into production. That's how web
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> launches
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are done professionally. A thorough maintenance schedule
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be implemented and the website would be designed for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintainability in the first place. ...also in accordance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practices.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322226
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Furthermore, there is absolutely NO intention to remove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content from the website. This crowd has an astounding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spin half-truths and bake them into something entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will clarify specifically what is meant by moving them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The FRONT PAGE of a website (for a non-profit, business,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other organization) is NOT to leave people with walls of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to create a fast and positive impression and to get a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> action.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having dozens and dozens of options is incredibly poor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> design,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoroughly proven to be ineffective, and generally an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> archaic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website idea. The current website is not responsive; it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well (and not at all in some cases) on mobile and tablet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322257
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great! Somehow in all your emails to the LNC (I read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every LNC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business list email) you never mentioned anything about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition process. All you talk about is design/style.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can manage a transition process well, that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonderful. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly hasn't been done in the past. The transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from FoxPro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Raiser's Edge was a disaster... it resulted in states
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not receiving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working dumps for a year and a lot of records being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screwed up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (e.g., deceased coming back to life, etc.). During the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition a decade ago, the LNC meeting minutes archive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Success 97 and Success 99 seminars were removed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the IT Committee discussion and report (pp. 15-16,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pp. 51-59):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20061111.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there will be no transition hiccups, that's wonderful
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still didn't address all the scripts on the website right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the technical considerations Shane discussed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm concerned about giving management of the transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> job who only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talks about design/style, wants to remove content
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (supposedly...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though I see you have now clarified that), and never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentions a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition plan to minimize problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's great that you're finally talking about a transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan! It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not my fault it's the first I've heard of it though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are lots of people in the LP (myself included) who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transitions mismanaged and are worried of a repeat of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disasters. We're not saying the sky is going to fall
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We're saying the sky has fallen in the past, we have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence of this, and you don't seem as on top of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process as we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would hope to prevent similar problems. (You also seem to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> institutional memory to be aware of these past issues.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter of you not communicating your transition plan and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not a matter of us being overly pessimistic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322261
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry you've had people half-ass these efforts in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely cannot say I'm surprised. I focus on style
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> external world, style IS the most important thing. This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in no way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> means I neglect the engine, but in 20 years of delivering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nearly 100% of clients will respond positively to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken system
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that looks amazing over a badass functioning system that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks ugly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just psychology. Again, it doesn't mean it doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322267
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've found libertarians have a different psychology than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world. The tech saavy folks will feel talked down to or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignored if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you only talk about style, ignoring tech under the hood.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideological folks will feel defensive if you malign
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content. I fall
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in both categories, as do others on this thread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just something to keep in mind for the future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stewart Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322926
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So they're creating a new website committee and giving it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authority
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to screw everything up without having to go back to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LNC to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approval on which one of their pals they give the money
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322930
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, they created a new committee with unlimited power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website. Then they spent the whole time debating an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $10,000.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalrep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322938
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am hugely concerned about giving any one person carte
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blanche over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the website.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ========================================================
>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ========================================================
>> Kevin Ludlow
>> 512-773-3968
>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>
>>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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