[Lnc-business] [Lnc-votes] LP.org website transition botched (as predicted)
Joshua Katz
planning4liberty at gmail.com
Thu Oct 27 09:39:36 EDT 2016
To get to the Policy Manual, click on "Meeting Minutes" in the footer. It
appears on the top of the page, followed by the minutes arranged by year.
I think the "type" of pictures used should either be an individual decision
(my preference) or be based on the recommendation of an expert in
PR/design/something. I am none of those things, and so I don't know what
the most effective sort of picture is. Unless we hear from an expert "all
pictures should look like X in the context of this site and what you're
trying to accomplish" I'm going to stick with board discussions about the
pictures, other than to say people can choose what they want their picture
to look like (within limits - I don't think my request to have mine look
like a lion should be respected...although...) is rather pointless.
I look forward to a report at the December meeting where some of these
matters can be discussed more fully.
Joshua A. Katz
Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Thanks for the laugh this morning at your photo descriptions Daniel,
> lol... :-D
>
> But seriously, that's kinda what I *like* about some of the pictures –
> they help people come across as the diverse individuals we are. I'm not
> saying none of the shots could be better, and if the LNC members you've
> mentioned want to select or provide different photos of themselves, of
> course they should be able to do so. But I'd be disappointed if folks chose
> to reject individuality in favor of "institutional" type photos that look
> like they could have been plucked from a corporate annual report.
>
> Good catch on noticing that the LNC Policy Manual is missing from the new
> site, if that is the case. I tried to do a search, but either it isn't
> loading for me right now, or when you search for results of a term that
> can't be found, it just displays a blank page rather than a notice saying
> it couldn't find the term.
>
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> (415) 625-FREE
> @StarchildSF
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2016, at 5:00 AM, lnc-votes at hq.lp.org wrote:
>
> I have not looked very hard yet, but even at 5 am central in the morning
> the website is godawful slow to load. That's not a bitch, consider that
> informational purposes.
>
> On the LNC page. ( https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/ )Many
> of us paid for head shots. Moving away from that I think is a bad idea.
> Also, there are a lot of problems with this page from the standpoint of
> basic human psychology. Most of what I say below is Nov. 9th stuff, but I
> think correcting the pictures is a bit more pressing.
>
> Nick's looks real young and innocent. He reminds me of a kindergarten
> student in that picture. It's his picture but I suggest his pro head shot.
> I do think Valerie might like this one though but he convinced her to marry
> him so I think he is past the phase of convincing her he is credible and
> competent.
>
> Arvin's looks surprised like someone just told him he got selected to
> represent the school in the spelling bee and responded with. "REALLY?
> ME?!!!"
>
> Alicia's picture has her looking away and you can't see her eyes. She
> looks occupied. Its not as bad as the others but once again... Pro Head
> shot.
>
> Bill's picture is the one that caught my attention with this initially.
> Bill looks pissed off. He might have been pissed off. I feel ya Bill...I
> get pissed off a lot too like I will be in my next email after this one to
> the list. That said..NOT the picture to use. Pro head shot
>
> I think Larry's is a decent one but why not use a Pro head shot if he has
> one for consistency.
>
> That said... WHY? I now find myself involved in the task that this board
> shouldn't be involved in.. Micromanaging things. But at the same time, I am
> annoyed that staff time was spent deciding on putting these pictures here
> when all of the people I mentioned with "bad" pics in my opinion had
> professional head shots that they PAID for. Also where is Sam's? Never
> mind..I thought it was a broken link but it just failed to load the first
> time. Also, I think his picture is less than flattering compared to his
> head shot. I know there were others that had professional head shots. Now
> we have a bunch of blank spaces and many of our board members not looking
> very inspiring of confidence.
> e
> Additionally, the form of the page. Get the pictures of the people at the
> TOP instead of a Wall O Text mapping out all the regions. Put that below
> the pictures. IF someone needs to figure out their region or is interested
> they will look. Leave the link to the LNC reflector list at the top.
> Also, lose the spot where it lists the region of every member below the
> pictures because almost half the people listed don't have a region. Just
> list the region number in between the word Region and Representative where
> that is listed below each person's name.
> Let's include a place for people's phone numbers that want those
> included. Mine is 504-258-6176.
>
> Also where is the link to the Policy manual these days? I used to be able
> to find it by going to this page. It doesn't seem to be listed here
> anymore and doesn't seem to be in with the bylaws.
>
>
> Daniel Hayes
> LNC At Large Member Region:At Large
>
>
> On Oct 26, 2016, at 05:05 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Kevin. Can you tell me which issues that I mentioned are *not*
> being addressed, and if/when you plan to address them?
>
> I'm also wondering about the specific issue I mentioned in my previous
> message about the LNC page losing information on the way over, because I
> got the impression from your comment "Staff has copied over existing pages
> and so nothing is lost or destroyed or anything of this sort", that this
> should not have occurred. Do you know how it happened in this case, and
> whether it may have happened in other cases as well?
>
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> (415) 625-FREE
> @StarchildSF
>
>
>>
>
> On Oct 26, 2016, at 8:32 AM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>
> Thanks, Starchild.
>
> Your feedback is well-taken and to your point, most of the issues you
> mention are being addressed.
>
> -Kevin
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 4:04 AM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 25, 2016, at 9:05 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Ken, for the constructive position.
>> As noted, I would really like to get actual problems with the site
>> organized so that they can be tackled. Staff has been working on testing;
>> I have been building the infrastructure.
>> It is very useful to be informed of visible problems so that we can
>> address them so any effort you're willing to make in that regard is highly
>> appreciated.
>>
>> ~k
>>
>>
>> Hi Kevin,
>>
>> Not sure whether you saw my original post to the LNC list informing on a
>> number of actual problems with the site, but in case you missed it, here it
>> is. In light of your explanations in response to Chuck and Caryn, I'm
>> curious about one page which has been ported over to the new site but still
>> somehow lost some information along the way, namely the LNC page (
>> https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/) which no longer
>> lists any phone numbers or other contact info beyond email addresses. I
>> would like my phone number [(415) 625-FREE] and twitter handle
>> (@StarchildSF) added to that page. (Ideally I think every LNC member's
>> listing should include a phone number at which they can be contacted.)
>> Thanks, and please let me know if you have any questions about anything
>> else I wrote below.
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>> ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> (415) 625-FREE
>> @StarchildSF
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>> On 10/25/2016 12:53 PM, Starchild wrote:
>>>
>>
>> Yesterday, I'm told, the launch of the new and improved LP.org website
>>> took place. And on the whole, at a quick look, I'd say it *is* an
>>> improvement. Both appearance-wise and organizationally, I like the new
>>> site. I wouldn't call the difference earth-shattering, but my initial
>>> impression is generally positive.
>>>
>>> There are however a number of issues that have come to my attention
>>> which could use fixing, some more serious than others:
>>>
>>> • While the site looks good on the web, it looks terrible on my phone!
>>> The "Latest News" boxes show up as long, narrow, unreadable columns of type
>>> with a couple letters on each line. Considering how many people access
>>> websites on mobile devices, fixing this should be a high priority.
>>>
>>> • I don't see either the "Party of Principle" or "Minimum Government,
>>> Maximum Freedom" slogans shown anywhere (a search for key terms doesn't
>>> turn them up). Nor do I see the Nolan Chart except buried in a link. Each
>>> of these ought to be listed prominently, imho. The brief introduction
>>> statement when you click on "Libertarian Party" at the top of the main page
>>> is rather weak ("The Libertarian Party (LP) is your representative in
>>> American politics. We are the only political organization which respects
>>> you as a unique and responsible individual.")
>>>
>>> • The more detailed description of the party has a conservative leaning.
>>> Under "The Libertarian Option" (at http://libparty.zocalodesi
>>> gn.com/about/ , a URL that like that of many pages should also be fixed
>>> so that it doesn't include the web design company's website), it reads:
>>>
>>> Consider voting Libertarian or joining the Libertarian Party because…
>>>
>>> - We seek to substantially reduce the size and intrusiveness of
>>> government and cut and eliminate taxes at every opportunity.
>>> - We believe that peaceful, honest people should be able to offer
>>> their goods and services to willing consumers without inappropriate
>>> interference from government.
>>> - We believe that peaceful, honest people should decide for
>>> themselves how to live their lives, without fear of criminal or civil
>>> penalties.
>>> - We believe that government’s only responsibility, if any, should
>>> be protecting people from force and fraud.
>>>
>>> The first two points above appeal more to conservatives or people on the
>>> right (economic freedoms), while the second two points are more neutral in
>>> terms of left/right appeal. There is no balancing appeal to people on the
>>> left by explicitly mentioning things like a non-interventionist foreign
>>> policy or civil liberties such as ending Prohibition and reining in police
>>> abuse.
>>>
>>> • The URL for the candidate page has changed (hat tip to Thomas Knapp),
>>> and entering the former URL (http://www.lp.org/2016-libert
>>> arian-party-candidates) apparently now results in a page error rather
>>> than connecting people to the new page (https://www.lp.org/2016-candi
>>> dates/).
>>>
>>> • If the information about how to subscribe to the LNC email list as a
>>> non-LNC member got ported over, I cannot find it. I would suggest listing
>>> this both on the LNC leadership page, and on the LNC meeting archives page.
>>>
>>> • The LNC page only lists email addresses. Previously at least a couple
>>> LNC members' listings included phone number and/or other info such as
>>> Twitter address, but now those listings are gone and only email addresses
>>> are listed. I would personally like my phone number and Twitter handle
>>> listed, and encourage my colleagues to request their phone numbers likewise
>>> be listed, so that our members can readily reach us directly as well as in
>>> writing.
>>>
>>> • Where email addresses are listed on the website (for candidates, LNC
>>> members, staff, college chapter reps., etc.), they are spelled out. That's
>>> unfortunately asking to get us spammed by web-crawling bots that harvest
>>> email addresses. I recommend changing this so that addresses are listed in
>>> a less literal format such as Nick.Sarwark[at]LP.org
>>>
>>> • The page https://www.lp.org/_2016/ mentions Johnson and Weld being
>>> our presidential and VP candidates, but the photo next to the text is
>>> *not* a photo of Johnson and Weld, but of Johnson and a woman I'm
>>> guessing is his girlfriend (which is fine, but should be labeled as such so
>>> as not to give visitors the impression that the images reflect the text).
>>>
>>> • Our bylaws are referred to in the info at the bottom of each page as
>>> "LNC Bylaws" rather than "Libertarian Party Bylaws"
>>>
>>> • A number of people (staff, LNC members) are missing photos. To whom
>>> can we send photos of these individuals, if we have them, as well as our
>>> contact info updates for the LNC page?
>>>
>>> I realize the site has just been updated; hopefully some of the above
>>> issues are being addressed even as I type this message. And on the bright
>>> side, the new "candidate pledges" section listing candidates who've
>>> signed each pledge is a nice addition, along with the listing by name and
>>> state of life members, candidates, and elected officials, not to mention
>>> the attractive photos from the convention scattered throughout the site. I
>>> like that the membership and donation forms are single-page, and that the
>>> FAQ page addresses arguments against participating in the system at all.
>>> And I love the "Help Us Grow" page (http://libparty.zocalodesign.
>>> com/how-to-help/) and the addition of a "worldwide" link in addition to
>>> the state affiliates and campus organizations! But I would suggest that
>>> link directly to a list of the libertarian parties around the world, with
>>> that page then containing a link to and information about the International
>>> Alliance of Libertarian Parties. Right now it immediately leads offsite to
>>> the IALP page, which is a little confusing.
>>>
>>> That's my feedback at this time. If staff would acknowledge receipt of
>>> this message and keep us appraised of the progress in addressing the
>>> above-mentioned issues, that would be great.
>>>
>>> Love & Liberty,
>>> ((( starchild )))
>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>> @StarchildSF
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I've been involved in lots of various projects throughout my IT career.
>>> This website project seems to fit the stereotypical IT project.
>>>
>>> I personally don't like the layout of the website, but I'm a grumpy
>>> "old" man who still likes 2006-era website layouts with drop-down menus and
>>> whatnot. The design we need, however, is one targeted at millenials. We
>>> know this because of the Johnson campaign's polling. That's the future of
>>> this party. I believe that this website accomplishes that task. I'd be
>>> interested to see how it looks on a mobile (I'm also still using a
>>> Blackberry. Don't ask.)
>>>
>>> Kevin - Thank you for continuing onward with this project, even though
>>> you are no longer on the LNC. As one who's been embroiled in volunteer
>>> projects that have run over time and over budget, I know how much of a PITA
>>> it is to put the time in and also take the inevitable hits. I'm sure you're
>>> all too aware, as well. But I wanted to make sure you knew that at least I
>>> knew and recognized what's up.
>>>
>>> Chuck, and others with concerns - Let's make a list of the "what's
>>> wrong", try to prioritize that list based on importance and easy
>>> of resolution, and try to work through them. Any website changeover will
>>> take time to fix. I know there are some "broken links" where people
>>> externally linked things like LP.org/join ... I have a cool graphic
>>> from The Advocates that we used on LPKY.org that has the same problem.
>>> These can ad should be resolved.
>>>
>>>
>>> As the new IT committee is formed, I'm sure we'll be tasked
>>> with assessing these issues and implementing fixes. I ask that everyone
>>> please be patient. We have 2 weeks until the election is over. If there's
>>> anything election-related that's not working, then we definitely need to
>>> address that immediately. Otherwise, let's get through Nov 8th and then we
>>> can push forward with this and other projects.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2016-10-25 23:38, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Kevin. I will cool my jets on that issue for a few days and
>>> check back in.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No problem, Caryn.
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't even think days. I would think A day. Staff was tasked
>>>> with taking each page from the old Drupal system and importing it into the
>>>> new one. As far as I know ALL pages were copied over. They were copied
>>>> into 1 of 6 (or so) different page templates that were created to serve
>>>> different formats of data. So I'm certain we have everything. Even if it
>>>> hadn't been copied over, we still have it and it would just need TO BE
>>>> copied over, but I don't believe this is the case. I believe in those
>>>> cases the links structure may have changed. We have been updating these so
>>>> that all incoming links to the old structure point to the appropriate new
>>>> structure and send out PERMANENT REDIRECT notifications to Google and such
>>>> (so things are updated).
>>>>
>>>> ~k
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Kevin.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is why I was asking staff about them. If we are talking a matter
>>>>> of days for that content - that is reasonable. If moreso, not so much.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I genuinely am not trying to avoid those issues. I know content is
>>>>>> there. What I'm trying to convey is that from my point of view, if those
>>>>>> documents are "opaque" for another 12 hours, I'm okay with that. I realize
>>>>>> you might not be, but this goes back to my volunteering work. I have to
>>>>>> prioritize work that I am personally responsible for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I will happily weigh in with staff and get links to them. I can
>>>>>> even check the admin pages and see what the current URL is provided they
>>>>>> have been copied and not linked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I really need to know if anything is actually not functioning.
>>>>>> This is what my current workload is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I apologize if any of that sounds dismissive. It's not my intent,
>>>>>> but I can't do specific projects for you and/or Chuck or the LNC or
>>>>>> whomever else right now as I need to make sure the site is fully
>>>>>> functional. If/when it IS fully functional (which it very well may already
>>>>>> be), then we can address any missing pieces.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~k
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you Kevin for all your work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't though not desire answers on the minutes archives and LNC
>>>>>>> business list not being there. That is essential for members and cannot be
>>>>>>> optional.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can staff answer when those can be restored? This is an acceptable
>>>>>>> situation of opacity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've always gotten along with you just fine as you're very
>>>>>>>> reasonable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In this case, I respectfully disagree that it's useful to deliver a
>>>>>>>> 6-page rant citing the "I told you so" lines when the decision has been
>>>>>>>> done, executed, and is live. Further, I have been in this business for 20
>>>>>>>> years now. We had roughly 2.5 hours of outages this morning between
>>>>>>>> roughly 7:45AM and 9:15AM EST. This was only because of the unknown.
>>>>>>>> Staff has spent a lot of time testing this software. It was rolled over
>>>>>>>> twice already and rolled back just to ensure we COULD roll it back if there
>>>>>>>> was a major problem. The point being that we transitioned an entire
>>>>>>>> infrastructure from 6 services to ONE, the monthly cost savings should be
>>>>>>>> about $500 once everything is in place, and best I can tell nothing is
>>>>>>>> broken - there are just complaints that some things are missing (which
>>>>>>>> they're definitely not, but I'll concede that perhaps staff hasn't finished
>>>>>>>> adding links - I honestly don't know right now).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are no major problems that anyone has reported save for the
>>>>>>>> overloading this morning. The page content was always intended to / has
>>>>>>>> been / and IS preserved. If a link isn't immediately visible, then staff
>>>>>>>> can correct that if appropriate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IF there are broken links, namely as a URL may have changed and
>>>>>>>> needs to be forwarded now, I would really, genuinely like to know so I can
>>>>>>>> fix those problems. I offered that to Chuck. I offered it to you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That said, we can start however necessary. I have ostensibly
>>>>>>>> worked on this for 3.5 straight weeks. That is not because of the website
>>>>>>>> itself, but rather the years of garbaged up infrastructure. We would have
>>>>>>>> rolled the site out 6 weeks ago if not for all of that. My point being
>>>>>>>> that I've been voluntarily taking on FAR more work than was entailed in the
>>>>>>>> website redesign itself because our infrastructure couldn't handle the
>>>>>>>> modern codebase (it is roughly 8 years out of spec).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would ask that you leave whatever issues you have with content
>>>>>>>> alone for the time being. I'm not saying they won't be addressed, I'm
>>>>>>>> saying that it's not a primary concern. The primary concern is ensuring
>>>>>>>> that the site is running so it can serve up any content. IF there is a
>>>>>>>> problem with something not loading, we need to know that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Staff has copied over existing pages and so nothing is lost or
>>>>>>>> destroyed or anything of this sort.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I need to convey though, that I am not on the clock for the people
>>>>>>>> on this thread. I have been, and am continuing to volunteer a tremendous
>>>>>>>> amount of time to ensure this is completed smoothly. I am happy to try and
>>>>>>>> fix things that are broken. I'm very uninterested in listening to Mr.
>>>>>>>> Molton rant on about his discontent with the structure. It's done. That
>>>>>>>> ship sailed in February.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So that's where I'm at. By all means, please inform me of broken
>>>>>>>> pieces so we can look at and correct anything ASAP.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~k
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:01 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kevin,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He was writing as a member to a busy elected to SERVE members.
>>>>>>>>> That means sometimes we will hear things we don't want to and have to
>>>>>>>>> respond to very upset complaints. No matter what anyone says -
>>>>>>>>> high-handed responses are not appropriate IMHO.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I didn't agree with Chuck's desire to see heads roll. I said so
>>>>>>>>> respectfully,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can we start again?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chuck opened with whoever made the decision was a MORON and
>>>>>>>>>> should be FIRED.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think my response was in line.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, I remain open to seeing links broken. I'm sure some
>>>>>>>>>> still exist. We launched the site this morning. Staff has spent weeks
>>>>>>>>>> testing the site and fixing links and such. I'm all for fixing dead links,
>>>>>>>>>> but 6 pages of complaints without any information is not helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also, I'm not a member of the LNC. I'm a volunteer only. So I
>>>>>>>>>> don't really owe anyone anything. I've delightfully put in a couple hundred
>>>>>>>>>> hours so far. That's the best I'm willing to do at this point given such a
>>>>>>>>>> response.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin, that was an inappropriate response to concerns of a
>>>>>>>>>>> member IMHO- his concerns are valid and shouldn't be dismissed as "oh you
>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarians, you are a minority - we can safely ignore you."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Where are the links to the LNC Business list, the old blog
>>>>>>>>>>> articles, and the past minutes?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can we have the discussion without sarcasm and without putting
>>>>>>>>>>> down Libertarians as inconsequential?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Chuck,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the constructive feedback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll delightfully take credit/responsibility for whatever and
>>>>>>>>>>>> all actions you've written about. Please pardon Nick, Robert, Wes, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> anybody else in your crosshairs. I'm sure they'll be relieved to be spared.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not going to read that entire document you've sent as I've
>>>>>>>>>>>> spent the last 3 weeks trying to fix the party's infrastructure for the
>>>>>>>>>>>> website TO go live. It was finished two days ago, it was launched last
>>>>>>>>>>>> night. That was my call.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What would be useful right now would be if you could point out
>>>>>>>>>>>> the broken links so that we can assign permanent redirects to them. Any
>>>>>>>>>>>> page content that existed STILL exists. This has been made clear over and
>>>>>>>>>>>> over again. It's possible that some page links have not been forwarded,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but I've been monitoring logs on all 4 servers all day and have not seen
>>>>>>>>>>>> many 404s. The downtime this morning wasn't actually from an outage, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> rather ME under-predicting the load our servers would take. This is
>>>>>>>>>>>> admittedly because I didn't have any data to go on because -- well -- we've
>>>>>>>>>>>> not really ever kept any before. I made the best prediction I could; I way
>>>>>>>>>>>> under-estimated. The servers were scaled up and unless you're seeing
>>>>>>>>>>>> something different, the site has been running fine all day since about
>>>>>>>>>>>> 9:45am CST. It was running before that just fine too, but the morning
>>>>>>>>>>>> surge in traffic overwhelmed it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So anyway, if you'd like to submit broken links, we'd love to
>>>>>>>>>>>> set up additional forwards. Overall though, I'm pretty happy with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> change. I'm happy we've done it before the election - even if it wound up
>>>>>>>>>>>> being delayed from our proposed launch of September 29th.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The old site was very, very bad. I know you're a tech guy all
>>>>>>>>>>>> the way. I know words resonate with you and not colors and images and
>>>>>>>>>>>> feelings and emotions. But you comprise a very, very, VERY small portion
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the American electorate and the new site was designed to appeal to
>>>>>>>>>>>> people who are visually oriented, not interested in reading walls of text,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and might have the attention span of a few seconds at best (eg: the vast
>>>>>>>>>>>> majority of people). It was designed for people who might not care about
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Libertarian Party - in hopes that something grabs their attention and
>>>>>>>>>>>> they begin to care. We don't need to "win over" existing Libertarians --
>>>>>>>>>>>> or at least one would think, but it's honestly hard to tell these days.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, it was decided. It's done. You can hate it. But I'd still
>>>>>>>>>>>> love your help in knowing where links are broken instead of mostly ignoring
>>>>>>>>>>>> another wall of text. That would help ensure that it's in good shape.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you'd like to vent further, feel free to call me at
>>>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968 to spare the group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Chuck Moulton <
>>>>>>>>>>>> chuck at moulton.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> LNC members,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of the problems I warned about have in fact come to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. It is Cassandra's Curse: always right but never believed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the exchange from IPR quoted below (in the P.S.) for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> context and institutional memory. I'll quote and discuss some of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> highlights here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #1: TRANSITIONS CAN BE BOTCHED, LEADING TO DOWNTIME —
>>>>>>>>>>>>> AT THE WORST TIME IN THE ELECTION CYCLE FOR SUCH DOWNTIME: THE PRESIDENTIAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CAMPAIGN.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This buggy transition was implemented 13 days before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential election. That is the 13th worst day in a 4 year cycle to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unveil a new a new website. There were/are 1,448 better days to change to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a new website in a 4 year cycle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever MORON decided to switch to a new website today
>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of after the election should be immediately FIRED. Do not pass go,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not collect $200. FIRED. I can't imagine a stupider, more incompetent,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> strategically insane decision than pulling the plug on a working website
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and trying out a new, buggy website immediately before a presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>>> election. It is INSANE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like staff, but if Wes Benedict made this idiotic decision,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> FIRE HIM IMMEDIATELY.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like much of the LNC, but if Nick Sarwark made this idiotic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision, SUSPEND HIM FOR CAUSE IMMEDIATELY (I'll gladly recuse myself as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> member of the Judicial Committee if he appeals).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Kevin Ludlow made this idiotic decision, RESCIND THE
>>>>>>>>>>>>> FEBRUARY 2016 MOTION GIVING LUDLOW UNILATERAL AUTHORITY OVER THE LP'S MOST
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMPORTANT ASSET IMMEDIATELY.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything we were told about a professional transition that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not suffer from the pitfalls I highlighted was a lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It takes significantly more time for lp.org pages to load
>>>>>>>>>>>>> than before. The site has been down on & off all day long. For a while
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were directed to another domain whenever they went to a LP page:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> libparty.zocalodesign.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #2: A LOT OF CONTENT IS REMOVED. LACK OF THAT CONTENT
>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAKES IT MUCH HARDER TO ENERGIZE PROSPECTS; GET DONATIONS, VOLUNTEERS, AND
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CANDIDATES; AND TRAIN LIBERTARIANS ON BEST PRACTICES.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact (as predicted), a lot of content has been removed from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lp.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, as chair of the Judicial Committee I wonder what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> happened to the webpage listing bylaws mandated committee members?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where is the link to the LP Business list?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where are the LNC minute archives before 2015?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go on and on, but I cover this point more broadly in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my next unheeded warning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was repeatedly assured that content would not be removed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> except that the front page would be made less cluttered. That was a lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #3: BOTH CONTENT REMOVAL AND TRANSITIONS TO A NEW
>>>>>>>>>>>>> SYSTEM MAY LEAD SOME PAGES TO BE REMOVED OR MOVED, BREAKING LINKS TO PARTS
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OF THE SITE FROM ALL AROUND THE INTERNET AND MAKING US LOOK UNPROFESSIONAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WITH 404 ERRORS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The number of 404 errors is shocking! Activists have been out
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there for months / years promoting our website by linking to it --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially during this presidential election. Most of those links are now
>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just try clicking on many of these links:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=site%3Alp.or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> g&oq=site%3Alp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been told the solution is just to report each broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>> link. That is ridiculous! It is completely unprofessional for a website
>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition to be reactive instead of proactive -- especially given that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links probably number in the thousands. We were assured that this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be a professional transition, but that was a lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #4: A NEW SYSTEM REQUIRES RETRAINING STAFF ON
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROCESSES — TIME THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DEVOTED TO OTHER THINGS. EVEN AFTER
>>>>>>>>>>>>> RETRAINING THERE WILL BE A LEARNING CURVE... EXTRA TIME FOR WEBSITE RELATED
>>>>>>>>>>>>> TASKS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DEVOTED TO OTHER THINGS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact (as predicted), staff has mentioned that the website
>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition has taken staff time that could have been devoted to other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> matters in this busy election season.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wes Benedict wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/00657
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope we can get those things below implemented early in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however, and get back to LPedia and many other projects, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're trying to roll out the new LP.org website.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #5: INTERNAL SCRIPTS THAT CURRENTLY AUTOMATICALLY
>>>>>>>>>>>>> SHOOT DATA TO STATE AFFILIATES SUCH AS THE VOLUNTEER FORM, THE WANT TO BE A
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CANDIDATE FORM, THE INFO FORM, ETC. MAY STOP WORKING, WHICH WOULD DEPRIVE
>>>>>>>>>>>>> STATES OF A VALUABLE SOURCE OF LEADS DURING A TRANSITION PERIOD.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do these all still work? I don't know. I can't currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>> test this as I am not a state chair right now. I hope someone is testing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this stuff. Based on all of the other monumental errors highlighted above,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I certainly don't trust whoever oversaw the website transition to have done
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You all made a monumental error when you voted on this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> website. Please do whatever you can to minimize the damage and triage the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> website that is being butchered before your very eyes. I hope the lost
>>>>>>>>>>>>> content can be restored and the bugs can be fixed ASAP. Even if everything
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is fixed within the next week though, the timing is still horrendous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. See below for context on this botched website transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and eerily accurate prophesies from people with a clue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/00416
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Our website is a joke. I mean a real, horrible, laughable,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's 1996 and the www portion of the internet has just been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unleashed" joke. It's got ridiculous internal ads all over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terribly organized. It uses bad images. It has an outdated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> font, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great font colors, and antiquated font-spacing and sizing. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> barely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functions on mobile devices. It's full of information it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have. It conveys that we're not a serious organization.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/00428
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We want to do all of these things. So I'm asking you, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stop what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're doing for 30 seconds, reflect what could happen if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually tried to accomplish this one little task. What is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the WORST
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that could happen? We fail? We're in a very slightly worse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position than we already are? But now consider what is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BEST that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could happen? Maybe this tailspin of a cash hole we're in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stops.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAYBE people would see that the LNC is doing something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> external.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAYBE people would have their morale boosted just a little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be more inclined to donate. MAYBE we could use it as a way to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leverage requesting donations from people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1321872
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's the worst that can happen? It's not $20,000 wasted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty stupid thinking there... accounting rather than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economics. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worst that can happen is the site is much worse than before.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of content is removed. Lack of that content makes it much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harder to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> energize prospects; get donations, volunteers, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates; and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> train libertarians on best practices. A new system requires
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retraining staff on processes — time that coupd have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devoted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other things. Even after retraining there will be a learning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> curve...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extra time for website related tasks that could have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devoted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other things. Will conversion of new visitors go up with a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flashy styled website? Maybe, but it could also go down,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potential cost. This is especially likely when the focus is on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> design/style rather than the technical features under the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hood. When
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content is removed it may piss off current donors and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> activists, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may reduce their donations and activism. Both content removal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transitions to a new system may lead some pages to be removed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved, breaking links to parts of the site from all around the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet and making us look unprofessional with 404 errors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sites often start out with a few bugs and errors which can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while to track down... the site may look less professional in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interim. Transitions can be botched, leading to downtime — at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worst time in the election cycle for such downtime: the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> campaign. Internal scripts that currently automatically shoot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state affiliates such as the volunteer form, the want to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidate form, the info form, etc. may stop working, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deprive states of a valuable source of leads during a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> period. That's just what I could come up with off the top of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my head...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are probably a lot more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1321907
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've launched many large scale sites just in the past year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and not a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> single one of those sites had any of the problems you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to. They DID – when they were on our development and testing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> servers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> – but not when they went into production. That's how web
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> launches
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are done professionally. A thorough maintenance schedule
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be implemented and the website would be designed for minimal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintainability in the first place. ...also in accordance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practices.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322226
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Furthermore, there is absolutely NO intention to remove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content from the website. This crowd has an astounding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spin half-truths and bake them into something entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will clarify specifically what is meant by moving them around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The FRONT PAGE of a website (for a non-profit, business, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other organization) is NOT to leave people with walls of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to create a fast and positive impression and to get a call to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> action.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having dozens and dozens of options is incredibly poor design,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoroughly proven to be ineffective, and generally an archaic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website idea. The current website is not responsive; it does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well (and not at all in some cases) on mobile and tablet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322257
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great! Somehow in all your emails to the LNC (I read every LNC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business list email) you never mentioned anything about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition process. All you talk about is design/style.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can manage a transition process well, that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonderful. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly hasn't been done in the past. The transition from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FoxPro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Raiser's Edge was a disaster... it resulted in states not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receiving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working dumps for a year and a lot of records being screwed up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (e.g., deceased coming back to life, etc.). During the website
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition a decade ago, the LNC meeting minutes archive and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Success 97 and Success 99 seminars were removed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the IT Committee discussion and report (pp. 15-16, pp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 51-59):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20061111.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there will be no transition hiccups, that's wonderful
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still didn't address all the scripts on the website right now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the technical considerations Shane discussed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm concerned about giving management of the transition job
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talks about design/style, wants to remove content
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (supposedly...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though I see you have now clarified that), and never mentions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition plan to minimize problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's great that you're finally talking about a transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan! It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not my fault it's the first I've heard of it though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are lots of people in the LP (myself included) who have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transitions mismanaged and are worried of a repeat of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disasters. We're not saying the sky is going to fall because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We're saying the sky has fallen in the past, we have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence of this, and you don't seem as on top of the process
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would hope to prevent similar problems. (You also seem to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> institutional memory to be aware of these past issues.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter of you not communicating your transition plan and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not a matter of us being overly pessimistic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322261
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry you've had people half-ass these efforts in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely cannot say I'm surprised. I focus on style because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> external world, style IS the most important thing. This in no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> means I neglect the engine, but in 20 years of delivering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nearly 100% of clients will respond positively to a broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that looks amazing over a badass functioning system that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks ugly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just psychology. Again, it doesn't mean it doesn't all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322267
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've found libertarians have a different psychology than much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world. The tech saavy folks will feel talked down to or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignored if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you only talk about style, ignoring tech under the hood. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideological folks will feel defensive if you malign content.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I fall
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in both categories, as do others on this thread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just something to keep in mind for the future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stewart Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322926
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So they're creating a new website committee and giving it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authority
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to screw everything up without having to go back to the LNC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approval on which one of their pals they give the money to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322930
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, they created a new committee with unlimited power over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website. Then they spent the whole time debating an irrelevant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $10,000.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322938
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am hugely concerned about giving any one person carte
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blanche over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the website.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ========================================================
>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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