[Lnc-business] [Lnc-votes] LP.org website transition botched (as predicted)
Sam Goldstein
goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com
Thu Oct 27 09:49:50 EDT 2016
Here you go:
https://www.lp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/20160526_LNC_Policy_Manual.pdf
Is is hiding on the LNC Minutes page.
Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
Member at Large
8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
Indianapolis IN 46260
317-850-0726 Phone
317-582-1773 Fax
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
wrote:
> To get to the Policy Manual, click on "Meeting Minutes" in the footer. It
> appears on the top of the page, followed by the minutes arranged by year.
>
> I think the "type" of pictures used should either be an individual
> decision (my preference) or be based on the recommendation of an expert in
> PR/design/something. I am none of those things, and so I don't know what
> the most effective sort of picture is. Unless we hear from an expert "all
> pictures should look like X in the context of this site and what you're
> trying to accomplish" I'm going to stick with board discussions about the
> pictures, other than to say people can choose what they want their picture
> to look like (within limits - I don't think my request to have mine look
> like a lion should be respected...although...) is rather pointless.
>
> I look forward to a report at the December meeting where some of these
> matters can be discussed more fully.
>
> Joshua A. Katz
> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the laugh this morning at your photo descriptions Daniel,
>> lol... :-D
>>
>> But seriously, that's kinda what I *like* about some of the pictures –
>> they help people come across as the diverse individuals we are. I'm not
>> saying none of the shots could be better, and if the LNC members you've
>> mentioned want to select or provide different photos of themselves, of
>> course they should be able to do so. But I'd be disappointed if folks chose
>> to reject individuality in favor of "institutional" type photos that look
>> like they could have been plucked from a corporate annual report.
>>
>> Good catch on noticing that the LNC Policy Manual is missing from the new
>> site, if that is the case. I tried to do a search, but either it isn't
>> loading for me right now, or when you search for results of a term that
>> can't be found, it just displays a blank page rather than a notice saying
>> it couldn't find the term.
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>> ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> (415) 625-FREE
>> @StarchildSF
>>
>>
>> On Oct 27, 2016, at 5:00 AM, lnc-votes at hq.lp.org wrote:
>>
>> I have not looked very hard yet, but even at 5 am central in the morning
>> the website is godawful slow to load. That's not a bitch, consider that
>> informational purposes.
>>
>> On the LNC page. ( https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/ )Many
>> of us paid for head shots. Moving away from that I think is a bad idea.
>> Also, there are a lot of problems with this page from the standpoint of
>> basic human psychology. Most of what I say below is Nov. 9th stuff, but I
>> think correcting the pictures is a bit more pressing.
>>
>> Nick's looks real young and innocent. He reminds me of a kindergarten
>> student in that picture. It's his picture but I suggest his pro head shot.
>> I do think Valerie might like this one though but he convinced her to marry
>> him so I think he is past the phase of convincing her he is credible and
>> competent.
>>
>> Arvin's looks surprised like someone just told him he got selected to
>> represent the school in the spelling bee and responded with. "REALLY?
>> ME?!!!"
>>
>> Alicia's picture has her looking away and you can't see her eyes. She
>> looks occupied. Its not as bad as the others but once again... Pro Head
>> shot.
>>
>> Bill's picture is the one that caught my attention with this initially.
>> Bill looks pissed off. He might have been pissed off. I feel ya Bill...I
>> get pissed off a lot too like I will be in my next email after this one to
>> the list. That said..NOT the picture to use. Pro head shot
>>
>> I think Larry's is a decent one but why not use a Pro head shot if he has
>> one for consistency.
>>
>> That said... WHY? I now find myself involved in the task that this board
>> shouldn't be involved in.. Micromanaging things. But at the same time, I am
>> annoyed that staff time was spent deciding on putting these pictures here
>> when all of the people I mentioned with "bad" pics in my opinion had
>> professional head shots that they PAID for. Also where is Sam's? Never
>> mind..I thought it was a broken link but it just failed to load the first
>> time. Also, I think his picture is less than flattering compared to his
>> head shot. I know there were others that had professional head shots. Now
>> we have a bunch of blank spaces and many of our board members not looking
>> very inspiring of confidence.
>> e
>> Additionally, the form of the page. Get the pictures of the people at
>> the TOP instead of a Wall O Text mapping out all the regions. Put that
>> below the pictures. IF someone needs to figure out their region or is
>> interested they will look. Leave the link to the LNC reflector list at the
>> top. Also, lose the spot where it lists the region of every member below
>> the pictures because almost half the people listed don't have a region.
>> Just list the region number in between the word Region and Representative
>> where that is listed below each person's name.
>> Let's include a place for people's phone numbers that want those
>> included. Mine is 504-258-6176.
>>
>> Also where is the link to the Policy manual these days? I used to be able
>> to find it by going to this page. It doesn't seem to be listed here
>> anymore and doesn't seem to be in with the bylaws.
>>
>>
>> Daniel Hayes
>> LNC At Large Member Region:At Large
>>
>>
>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 05:05 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Kevin. Can you tell me which issues that I mentioned are *not*
>> being addressed, and if/when you plan to address them?
>>
>> I'm also wondering about the specific issue I mentioned in my previous
>> message about the LNC page losing information on the way over, because I
>> got the impression from your comment "Staff has copied over existing pages
>> and so nothing is lost or destroyed or anything of this sort", that this
>> should not have occurred. Do you know how it happened in this case, and
>> whether it may have happened in other cases as well?
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>> ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> (415) 625-FREE
>> @StarchildSF
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 8:32 AM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Starchild.
>>
>> Your feedback is well-taken and to your point, most of the issues you
>> mention are being addressed.
>>
>> -Kevin
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 4:04 AM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 25, 2016, at 9:05 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, Ken, for the constructive position.
>>> As noted, I would really like to get actual problems with the site
>>> organized so that they can be tackled. Staff has been working on testing;
>>> I have been building the infrastructure.
>>> It is very useful to be informed of visible problems so that we can
>>> address them so any effort you're willing to make in that regard is highly
>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>> ~k
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Kevin,
>>>
>>> Not sure whether you saw my original post to the LNC list informing on a
>>> number of actual problems with the site, but in case you missed it, here it
>>> is. In light of your explanations in response to Chuck and Caryn, I'm
>>> curious about one page which has been ported over to the new site but still
>>> somehow lost some information along the way, namely the LNC page (
>>> https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/) which no longer
>>> lists any phone numbers or other contact info beyond email addresses. I
>>> would like my phone number [(415) 625-FREE] and twitter handle
>>> (@StarchildSF) added to that page. (Ideally I think every LNC member's
>>> listing should include a phone number at which they can be contacted.)
>>> Thanks, and please let me know if you have any questions about anything
>>> else I wrote below.
>>>
>>> Love & Liberty,
>>> ((( starchild )))
>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>> @StarchildSF
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/25/2016 12:53 PM, Starchild wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yesterday, I'm told, the launch of the new and improved LP.org website
>>>> took place. And on the whole, at a quick look, I'd say it *is* an
>>>> improvement. Both appearance-wise and organizationally, I like the new
>>>> site. I wouldn't call the difference earth-shattering, but my initial
>>>> impression is generally positive.
>>>>
>>>> There are however a number of issues that have come to my attention
>>>> which could use fixing, some more serious than others:
>>>>
>>>> • While the site looks good on the web, it looks terrible on my phone!
>>>> The "Latest News" boxes show up as long, narrow, unreadable columns of type
>>>> with a couple letters on each line. Considering how many people access
>>>> websites on mobile devices, fixing this should be a high priority.
>>>>
>>>> • I don't see either the "Party of Principle" or "Minimum Government,
>>>> Maximum Freedom" slogans shown anywhere (a search for key terms doesn't
>>>> turn them up). Nor do I see the Nolan Chart except buried in a link. Each
>>>> of these ought to be listed prominently, imho. The brief introduction
>>>> statement when you click on "Libertarian Party" at the top of the main page
>>>> is rather weak ("The Libertarian Party (LP) is your representative in
>>>> American politics. We are the only political organization which respects
>>>> you as a unique and responsible individual.")
>>>>
>>>> • The more detailed description of the party has a conservative
>>>> leaning. Under "The Libertarian Option" (at http://libparty.zocalodesi
>>>> gn.com/about/ , a URL that like that of many pages should also be
>>>> fixed so that it doesn't include the web design company's website), it
>>>> reads:
>>>>
>>>> Consider voting Libertarian or joining the Libertarian Party because…
>>>>
>>>> - We seek to substantially reduce the size and intrusiveness of
>>>> government and cut and eliminate taxes at every opportunity.
>>>> - We believe that peaceful, honest people should be able to offer
>>>> their goods and services to willing consumers without inappropriate
>>>> interference from government.
>>>> - We believe that peaceful, honest people should decide for
>>>> themselves how to live their lives, without fear of criminal or civil
>>>> penalties.
>>>> - We believe that government’s only responsibility, if any, should
>>>> be protecting people from force and fraud.
>>>>
>>>> The first two points above appeal more to conservatives or people on
>>>> the right (economic freedoms), while the second two points are more neutral
>>>> in terms of left/right appeal. There is no balancing appeal to people on
>>>> the left by explicitly mentioning things like a non-interventionist foreign
>>>> policy or civil liberties such as ending Prohibition and reining in police
>>>> abuse.
>>>>
>>>> • The URL for the candidate page has changed (hat tip to Thomas Knapp),
>>>> and entering the former URL (http://www.lp.org/2016-libert
>>>> arian-party-candidates) apparently now results in a page error rather
>>>> than connecting people to the new page (https://www.lp.org/2016-candi
>>>> dates/).
>>>>
>>>> • If the information about how to subscribe to the LNC email list as a
>>>> non-LNC member got ported over, I cannot find it. I would suggest listing
>>>> this both on the LNC leadership page, and on the LNC meeting archives page.
>>>>
>>>> • The LNC page only lists email addresses. Previously at least a couple
>>>> LNC members' listings included phone number and/or other info such as
>>>> Twitter address, but now those listings are gone and only email addresses
>>>> are listed. I would personally like my phone number and Twitter handle
>>>> listed, and encourage my colleagues to request their phone numbers likewise
>>>> be listed, so that our members can readily reach us directly as well as in
>>>> writing.
>>>>
>>>> • Where email addresses are listed on the website (for candidates, LNC
>>>> members, staff, college chapter reps., etc.), they are spelled out. That's
>>>> unfortunately asking to get us spammed by web-crawling bots that harvest
>>>> email addresses. I recommend changing this so that addresses are listed in
>>>> a less literal format such as Nick.Sarwark[at]LP.org
>>>>
>>>> • The page https://www.lp.org/_2016/ mentions Johnson and Weld being
>>>> our presidential and VP candidates, but the photo next to the text is
>>>> *not* a photo of Johnson and Weld, but of Johnson and a woman I'm
>>>> guessing is his girlfriend (which is fine, but should be labeled as such so
>>>> as not to give visitors the impression that the images reflect the text).
>>>>
>>>> • Our bylaws are referred to in the info at the bottom of each page as
>>>> "LNC Bylaws" rather than "Libertarian Party Bylaws"
>>>>
>>>> • A number of people (staff, LNC members) are missing photos. To whom
>>>> can we send photos of these individuals, if we have them, as well as our
>>>> contact info updates for the LNC page?
>>>>
>>>> I realize the site has just been updated; hopefully some of the above
>>>> issues are being addressed even as I type this message. And on the bright
>>>> side, the new "candidate pledges" section listing candidates who've
>>>> signed each pledge is a nice addition, along with the listing by name and
>>>> state of life members, candidates, and elected officials, not to mention
>>>> the attractive photos from the convention scattered throughout the site. I
>>>> like that the membership and donation forms are single-page, and that the
>>>> FAQ page addresses arguments against participating in the system at all.
>>>> And I love the "Help Us Grow" page (http://libparty.zocalodesign.
>>>> com/how-to-help/) and the addition of a "worldwide" link in addition
>>>> to the state affiliates and campus organizations! But I would suggest that
>>>> link directly to a list of the libertarian parties around the world, with
>>>> that page then containing a link to and information about the International
>>>> Alliance of Libertarian Parties. Right now it immediately leads offsite to
>>>> the IALP page, which is a little confusing.
>>>>
>>>> That's my feedback at this time. If staff would acknowledge receipt of
>>>> this message and keep us appraised of the progress in addressing the
>>>> above-mentioned issues, that would be great.
>>>>
>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>> @StarchildSF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've been involved in lots of various projects throughout my IT
>>>> career. This website project seems to fit the stereotypical IT project.
>>>>
>>>> I personally don't like the layout of the website, but I'm a grumpy
>>>> "old" man who still likes 2006-era website layouts with drop-down menus and
>>>> whatnot. The design we need, however, is one targeted at millenials. We
>>>> know this because of the Johnson campaign's polling. That's the future of
>>>> this party. I believe that this website accomplishes that task. I'd be
>>>> interested to see how it looks on a mobile (I'm also still using a
>>>> Blackberry. Don't ask.)
>>>>
>>>> Kevin - Thank you for continuing onward with this project, even though
>>>> you are no longer on the LNC. As one who's been embroiled in volunteer
>>>> projects that have run over time and over budget, I know how much of a PITA
>>>> it is to put the time in and also take the inevitable hits. I'm sure you're
>>>> all too aware, as well. But I wanted to make sure you knew that at least I
>>>> knew and recognized what's up.
>>>>
>>>> Chuck, and others with concerns - Let's make a list of the "what's
>>>> wrong", try to prioritize that list based on importance and easy
>>>> of resolution, and try to work through them. Any website changeover will
>>>> take time to fix. I know there are some "broken links" where people
>>>> externally linked things like LP.org/join ... I have a cool graphic
>>>> from The Advocates that we used on LPKY.org that has the same problem.
>>>> These can ad should be resolved.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As the new IT committee is formed, I'm sure we'll be tasked
>>>> with assessing these issues and implementing fixes. I ask that everyone
>>>> please be patient. We have 2 weeks until the election is over. If there's
>>>> anything election-related that's not working, then we definitely need to
>>>> address that immediately. Otherwise, let's get through Nov 8th and then we
>>>> can push forward with this and other projects.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2016-10-25 23:38, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thank you Kevin. I will cool my jets on that issue for a few days and
>>>> check back in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No problem, Caryn.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wouldn't even think days. I would think A day. Staff was tasked
>>>>> with taking each page from the old Drupal system and importing it into the
>>>>> new one. As far as I know ALL pages were copied over. They were copied
>>>>> into 1 of 6 (or so) different page templates that were created to serve
>>>>> different formats of data. So I'm certain we have everything. Even if it
>>>>> hadn't been copied over, we still have it and it would just need TO BE
>>>>> copied over, but I don't believe this is the case. I believe in those
>>>>> cases the links structure may have changed. We have been updating these so
>>>>> that all incoming links to the old structure point to the appropriate new
>>>>> structure and send out PERMANENT REDIRECT notifications to Google and such
>>>>> (so things are updated).
>>>>>
>>>>> ~k
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Kevin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is why I was asking staff about them. If we are talking a
>>>>>> matter of days for that content - that is reasonable. If moreso, not so
>>>>>> much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I genuinely am not trying to avoid those issues. I know content is
>>>>>>> there. What I'm trying to convey is that from my point of view, if those
>>>>>>> documents are "opaque" for another 12 hours, I'm okay with that. I realize
>>>>>>> you might not be, but this goes back to my volunteering work. I have to
>>>>>>> prioritize work that I am personally responsible for.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I will happily weigh in with staff and get links to them. I can
>>>>>>> even check the admin pages and see what the current URL is provided they
>>>>>>> have been copied and not linked.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I really need to know if anything is actually not functioning.
>>>>>>> This is what my current workload is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I apologize if any of that sounds dismissive. It's not my intent,
>>>>>>> but I can't do specific projects for you and/or Chuck or the LNC or
>>>>>>> whomever else right now as I need to make sure the site is fully
>>>>>>> functional. If/when it IS fully functional (which it very well may already
>>>>>>> be), then we can address any missing pieces.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~k
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you Kevin for all your work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can't though not desire answers on the minutes archives and LNC
>>>>>>>> business list not being there. That is essential for members and cannot be
>>>>>>>> optional.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can staff answer when those can be restored? This is an acceptable
>>>>>>>> situation of opacity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've always gotten along with you just fine as you're very
>>>>>>>>> reasonable.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In this case, I respectfully disagree that it's useful to deliver
>>>>>>>>> a 6-page rant citing the "I told you so" lines when the decision has been
>>>>>>>>> done, executed, and is live. Further, I have been in this business for 20
>>>>>>>>> years now. We had roughly 2.5 hours of outages this morning between
>>>>>>>>> roughly 7:45AM and 9:15AM EST. This was only because of the unknown.
>>>>>>>>> Staff has spent a lot of time testing this software. It was rolled over
>>>>>>>>> twice already and rolled back just to ensure we COULD roll it back if there
>>>>>>>>> was a major problem. The point being that we transitioned an entire
>>>>>>>>> infrastructure from 6 services to ONE, the monthly cost savings should be
>>>>>>>>> about $500 once everything is in place, and best I can tell nothing is
>>>>>>>>> broken - there are just complaints that some things are missing (which
>>>>>>>>> they're definitely not, but I'll concede that perhaps staff hasn't finished
>>>>>>>>> adding links - I honestly don't know right now).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are no major problems that anyone has reported save for the
>>>>>>>>> overloading this morning. The page content was always intended to / has
>>>>>>>>> been / and IS preserved. If a link isn't immediately visible, then staff
>>>>>>>>> can correct that if appropriate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> IF there are broken links, namely as a URL may have changed and
>>>>>>>>> needs to be forwarded now, I would really, genuinely like to know so I can
>>>>>>>>> fix those problems. I offered that to Chuck. I offered it to you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That said, we can start however necessary. I have ostensibly
>>>>>>>>> worked on this for 3.5 straight weeks. That is not because of the website
>>>>>>>>> itself, but rather the years of garbaged up infrastructure. We would have
>>>>>>>>> rolled the site out 6 weeks ago if not for all of that. My point being
>>>>>>>>> that I've been voluntarily taking on FAR more work than was entailed in the
>>>>>>>>> website redesign itself because our infrastructure couldn't handle the
>>>>>>>>> modern codebase (it is roughly 8 years out of spec).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would ask that you leave whatever issues you have with content
>>>>>>>>> alone for the time being. I'm not saying they won't be addressed, I'm
>>>>>>>>> saying that it's not a primary concern. The primary concern is ensuring
>>>>>>>>> that the site is running so it can serve up any content. IF there is a
>>>>>>>>> problem with something not loading, we need to know that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Staff has copied over existing pages and so nothing is lost or
>>>>>>>>> destroyed or anything of this sort.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I need to convey though, that I am not on the clock for the people
>>>>>>>>> on this thread. I have been, and am continuing to volunteer a tremendous
>>>>>>>>> amount of time to ensure this is completed smoothly. I am happy to try and
>>>>>>>>> fix things that are broken. I'm very uninterested in listening to Mr.
>>>>>>>>> Molton rant on about his discontent with the structure. It's done. That
>>>>>>>>> ship sailed in February.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So that's where I'm at. By all means, please inform me of broken
>>>>>>>>> pieces so we can look at and correct anything ASAP.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ~k
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:01 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kevin,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He was writing as a member to a busy elected to SERVE members.
>>>>>>>>>> That means sometimes we will hear things we don't want to and have to
>>>>>>>>>> respond to very upset complaints. No matter what anyone says -
>>>>>>>>>> high-handed responses are not appropriate IMHO.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I didn't agree with Chuck's desire to see heads roll. I said so
>>>>>>>>>> respectfully,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can we start again?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck opened with whoever made the decision was a MORON and
>>>>>>>>>>> should be FIRED.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think my response was in line.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, I remain open to seeing links broken. I'm sure some
>>>>>>>>>>> still exist. We launched the site this morning. Staff has spent weeks
>>>>>>>>>>> testing the site and fixing links and such. I'm all for fixing dead links,
>>>>>>>>>>> but 6 pages of complaints without any information is not helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also, I'm not a member of the LNC. I'm a volunteer only. So I
>>>>>>>>>>> don't really owe anyone anything. I've delightfully put in a couple hundred
>>>>>>>>>>> hours so far. That's the best I'm willing to do at this point given such a
>>>>>>>>>>> response.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin, that was an inappropriate response to concerns of a
>>>>>>>>>>>> member IMHO- his concerns are valid and shouldn't be dismissed as "oh you
>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarians, you are a minority - we can safely ignore you."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Where are the links to the LNC Business list, the old blog
>>>>>>>>>>>> articles, and the past minutes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can we have the discussion without sarcasm and without putting
>>>>>>>>>>>> down Libertarians as inconsequential?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Chuck,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the constructive feedback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll delightfully take credit/responsibility for whatever and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all actions you've written about. Please pardon Nick, Robert, Wes, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anybody else in your crosshairs. I'm sure they'll be relieved to be spared.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not going to read that entire document you've sent as I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spent the last 3 weeks trying to fix the party's infrastructure for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> website TO go live. It was finished two days ago, it was launched last
>>>>>>>>>>>>> night. That was my call.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What would be useful right now would be if you could point out
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the broken links so that we can assign permanent redirects to them. Any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> page content that existed STILL exists. This has been made clear over and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> over again. It's possible that some page links have not been forwarded,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I've been monitoring logs on all 4 servers all day and have not seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>> many 404s. The downtime this morning wasn't actually from an outage, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather ME under-predicting the load our servers would take. This is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> admittedly because I didn't have any data to go on because -- well -- we've
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not really ever kept any before. I made the best prediction I could; I way
>>>>>>>>>>>>> under-estimated. The servers were scaled up and unless you're seeing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something different, the site has been running fine all day since about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9:45am CST. It was running before that just fine too, but the morning
>>>>>>>>>>>>> surge in traffic overwhelmed it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So anyway, if you'd like to submit broken links, we'd love to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up additional forwards. Overall though, I'm pretty happy with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> change. I'm happy we've done it before the election - even if it wound up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> being delayed from our proposed launch of September 29th.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The old site was very, very bad. I know you're a tech guy all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the way. I know words resonate with you and not colors and images and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feelings and emotions. But you comprise a very, very, VERY small portion
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the American electorate and the new site was designed to appeal to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people who are visually oriented, not interested in reading walls of text,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and might have the attention span of a few seconds at best (eg: the vast
>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority of people). It was designed for people who might not care about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Libertarian Party - in hopes that something grabs their attention and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they begin to care. We don't need to "win over" existing Libertarians --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or at least one would think, but it's honestly hard to tell these days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, it was decided. It's done. You can hate it. But I'd still
>>>>>>>>>>>>> love your help in knowing where links are broken instead of mostly ignoring
>>>>>>>>>>>>> another wall of text. That would help ensure that it's in good shape.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you'd like to vent further, feel free to call me at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968 to spare the group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Chuck Moulton <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chuck at moulton.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LNC members,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of the problems I warned about have in fact come to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. It is Cassandra's Curse: always right but never believed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the exchange from IPR quoted below (in the P.S.) for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context and institutional memory. I'll quote and discuss some of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> highlights here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #1: TRANSITIONS CAN BE BOTCHED, LEADING TO DOWNTIME —
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AT THE WORST TIME IN THE ELECTION CYCLE FOR SUCH DOWNTIME: THE PRESIDENTIAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CAMPAIGN.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This buggy transition was implemented 13 days before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential election. That is the 13th worst day in a 4 year cycle to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unveil a new a new website. There were/are 1,448 better days to change to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a new website in a 4 year cycle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever MORON decided to switch to a new website today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of after the election should be immediately FIRED. Do not pass go,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not collect $200. FIRED. I can't imagine a stupider, more incompetent,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strategically insane decision than pulling the plug on a working website
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and trying out a new, buggy website immediately before a presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> election. It is INSANE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like staff, but if Wes Benedict made this idiotic decision,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FIRE HIM IMMEDIATELY.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like much of the LNC, but if Nick Sarwark made this idiotic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision, SUSPEND HIM FOR CAUSE IMMEDIATELY (I'll gladly recuse myself as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> member of the Judicial Committee if he appeals).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Kevin Ludlow made this idiotic decision, RESCIND THE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FEBRUARY 2016 MOTION GIVING LUDLOW UNILATERAL AUTHORITY OVER THE LP'S MOST
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMPORTANT ASSET IMMEDIATELY.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything we were told about a professional transition that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not suffer from the pitfalls I highlighted was a lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It takes significantly more time for lp.org pages to load
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than before. The site has been down on & off all day long. For a while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were directed to another domain whenever they went to a LP page:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libparty.zocalodesign.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #2: A LOT OF CONTENT IS REMOVED. LACK OF THAT CONTENT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAKES IT MUCH HARDER TO ENERGIZE PROSPECTS; GET DONATIONS, VOLUNTEERS, AND
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CANDIDATES; AND TRAIN LIBERTARIANS ON BEST PRACTICES.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact (as predicted), a lot of content has been removed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from lp.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, as chair of the Judicial Committee I wonder what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happened to the webpage listing bylaws mandated committee members?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where is the link to the LP Business list?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where are the LNC minute archives before 2015?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go on and on, but I cover this point more broadly in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my next unheeded warning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was repeatedly assured that content would not be removed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except that the front page would be made less cluttered. That was a lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #3: BOTH CONTENT REMOVAL AND TRANSITIONS TO A NEW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SYSTEM MAY LEAD SOME PAGES TO BE REMOVED OR MOVED, BREAKING LINKS TO PARTS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OF THE SITE FROM ALL AROUND THE INTERNET AND MAKING US LOOK UNPROFESSIONAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WITH 404 ERRORS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The number of 404 errors is shocking! Activists have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out there for months / years promoting our website by linking to it --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially during this presidential election. Most of those links are now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just try clicking on many of these links:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=site%3Alp.or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> g&oq=site%3Alp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been told the solution is just to report each broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link. That is ridiculous! It is completely unprofessional for a website
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition to be reactive instead of proactive -- especially given that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links probably number in the thousands. We were assured that this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be a professional transition, but that was a lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #4: A NEW SYSTEM REQUIRES RETRAINING STAFF ON
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROCESSES — TIME THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DEVOTED TO OTHER THINGS. EVEN AFTER
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RETRAINING THERE WILL BE A LEARNING CURVE... EXTRA TIME FOR WEBSITE RELATED
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TASKS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DEVOTED TO OTHER THINGS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact (as predicted), staff has mentioned that the website
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition has taken staff time that could have been devoted to other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matters in this busy election season.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wes Benedict wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/00657
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope we can get those things below implemented early in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however, and get back to LPedia and many other projects, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're trying to roll out the new LP.org website.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #5: INTERNAL SCRIPTS THAT CURRENTLY AUTOMATICALLY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SHOOT DATA TO STATE AFFILIATES SUCH AS THE VOLUNTEER FORM, THE WANT TO BE A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CANDIDATE FORM, THE INFO FORM, ETC. MAY STOP WORKING, WHICH WOULD DEPRIVE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> STATES OF A VALUABLE SOURCE OF LEADS DURING A TRANSITION PERIOD.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do these all still work? I don't know. I can't currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> test this as I am not a state chair right now. I hope someone is testing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this stuff. Based on all of the other monumental errors highlighted above,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I certainly don't trust whoever oversaw the website transition to have done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You all made a monumental error when you voted on this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website. Please do whatever you can to minimize the damage and triage the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website that is being butchered before your very eyes. I hope the lost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content can be restored and the bugs can be fixed ASAP. Even if everything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is fixed within the next week though, the timing is still horrendous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. See below for context on this botched website transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and eerily accurate prophesies from people with a clue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/00416
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Our website is a joke. I mean a real, horrible,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laughable, "maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's 1996 and the www portion of the internet has just been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unleashed" joke. It's got ridiculous internal ads all over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terribly organized. It uses bad images. It has an outdated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> font, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great font colors, and antiquated font-spacing and sizing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It barely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functions on mobile devices. It's full of information it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have. It conveys that we're not a serious organization.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/00428
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We want to do all of these things. So I'm asking you, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stop what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're doing for 30 seconds, reflect what could happen if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually tried to accomplish this one little task. What is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the WORST
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that could happen? We fail? We're in a very slightly worse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position than we already are? But now consider what is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BEST that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could happen? Maybe this tailspin of a cash hole we're in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stops.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAYBE people would see that the LNC is doing something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> external.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAYBE people would have their morale boosted just a little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be more inclined to donate. MAYBE we could use it as a way to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leverage requesting donations from people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1321872
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's the worst that can happen? It's not $20,000 wasted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty stupid thinking there... accounting rather than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economics. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worst that can happen is the site is much worse than before.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of content is removed. Lack of that content makes it much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harder to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> energize prospects; get donations, volunteers, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates; and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> train libertarians on best practices. A new system requires
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retraining staff on processes — time that coupd have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devoted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other things. Even after retraining there will be a learning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> curve...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extra time for website related tasks that could have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devoted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other things. Will conversion of new visitors go up with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flashy styled website? Maybe, but it could also go down,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potential cost. This is especially likely when the focus is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> design/style rather than the technical features under the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hood. When
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content is removed it may piss off current donors and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> activists, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may reduce their donations and activism. Both content
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removal and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transitions to a new system may lead some pages to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved, breaking links to parts of the site from all around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet and making us look unprofessional with 404 errors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sites often start out with a few bugs and errors which can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while to track down... the site may look less professional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interim. Transitions can be botched, leading to downtime —
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worst time in the election cycle for such downtime: the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> campaign. Internal scripts that currently automatically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shoot data to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state affiliates such as the volunteer form, the want to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidate form, the info form, etc. may stop working, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deprive states of a valuable source of leads during a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> period. That's just what I could come up with off the top of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my head...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are probably a lot more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1321907
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've launched many large scale sites just in the past year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and not a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> single one of those sites had any of the problems you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to. They DID – when they were on our development and testing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> servers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> – but not when they went into production. That's how web
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> launches
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are done professionally. A thorough maintenance schedule
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be implemented and the website would be designed for minimal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintainability in the first place. ...also in accordance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practices.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322226
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Furthermore, there is absolutely NO intention to remove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content from the website. This crowd has an astounding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spin half-truths and bake them into something entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will clarify specifically what is meant by moving them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The FRONT PAGE of a website (for a non-profit, business, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other organization) is NOT to leave people with walls of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to create a fast and positive impression and to get a call to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> action.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having dozens and dozens of options is incredibly poor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> design,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoroughly proven to be ineffective, and generally an archaic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website idea. The current website is not responsive; it does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well (and not at all in some cases) on mobile and tablet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322257
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great! Somehow in all your emails to the LNC (I read every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LNC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business list email) you never mentioned anything about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition process. All you talk about is design/style.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can manage a transition process well, that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonderful. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly hasn't been done in the past. The transition from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FoxPro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Raiser's Edge was a disaster... it resulted in states not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receiving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working dumps for a year and a lot of records being screwed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (e.g., deceased coming back to life, etc.). During the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition a decade ago, the LNC meeting minutes archive and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Success 97 and Success 99 seminars were removed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the IT Committee discussion and report (pp. 15-16, pp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 51-59):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20061111.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there will be no transition hiccups, that's wonderful
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still didn't address all the scripts on the website right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the technical considerations Shane discussed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm concerned about giving management of the transition job
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talks about design/style, wants to remove content
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (supposedly...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though I see you have now clarified that), and never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentions a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition plan to minimize problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's great that you're finally talking about a transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan! It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not my fault it's the first I've heard of it though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are lots of people in the LP (myself included) who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transitions mismanaged and are worried of a repeat of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disasters. We're not saying the sky is going to fall because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We're saying the sky has fallen in the past, we have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence of this, and you don't seem as on top of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process as we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would hope to prevent similar problems. (You also seem to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> institutional memory to be aware of these past issues.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter of you not communicating your transition plan and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not a matter of us being overly pessimistic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322261
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry you've had people half-ass these efforts in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely cannot say I'm surprised. I focus on style
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> external world, style IS the most important thing. This in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> means I neglect the engine, but in 20 years of delivering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nearly 100% of clients will respond positively to a broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that looks amazing over a badass functioning system that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks ugly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just psychology. Again, it doesn't mean it doesn't all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322267
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've found libertarians have a different psychology than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world. The tech saavy folks will feel talked down to or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignored if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you only talk about style, ignoring tech under the hood. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideological folks will feel defensive if you malign content.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I fall
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in both categories, as do others on this thread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just something to keep in mind for the future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stewart Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322926
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So they're creating a new website committee and giving it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authority
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to screw everything up without having to go back to the LNC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approval on which one of their pals they give the money to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322930
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, they created a new committee with unlimited power over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website. Then they spent the whole time debating an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $10,000.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322938
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am hugely concerned about giving any one person carte
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blanche over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the website.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ========================================================
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>>> 512-773-3968
>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
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