[Lnc-business] Added Mortgage Payment

Tue Nov 29 14:44:41 EST 2016

Drawing money from the current bequest into any account other than the
operating account may have a negative impact on pending Federal
litigation.

-Nick

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
> My suggestion though would require paying the 105K (approx) during one year
> (this one most likely) and then having the re-set for what we can draw from
> the bequest next year.
>
> Basically I am suggesting taking full advantage of what we can get from the
> bequest to put towards this.
>
> This would seem to satisfy a lot of issues.
>
> Again, not saying I support but it is an alternative I thought about. It
> seems (?) everyone is in agreement on the make-up we need to do from the
> 2015 shortfall.  And it seems like there might (?) be agreement on the 105K
> from the bequest.
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I have been a dissenting voice as well.  I am inclined to be positive
>> towards this suggestion, but I don't want to commit myself without more time
>> to think.  However, I stand by my desire to take it up after the budget, at
>> which point it is possible I'd favor a larger amount than this.
>>
>> Joshua A. Katz
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ken, I have been doing some thinking, and while I am not saying I support
>>> what I am about to say, I don't oppose it, and IF there is some compromise
>>> position (though with all due respect - when you say to satisfy the desires
>>> of some LNC members - you so far have been the only dissenting voice and are
>>> an alternate - we do not yet know what your regional representative thinks
>>> on the issue), using round numbers, this one:
>>>
>>> We shorted 2015 by about 40K.
>>> We have about 105K that we can take from the bequest that would not
>>> otherwise be accessible.
>>>
>>> That puts us at roughly 145K which would be satisfying our prior
>>> obligation AND accessing money that is not coming from any other line item
>>> next year (thus not shorting any other project).
>>>
>>> So we were proposing paying another 55K.  If we did that, we could not
>>> make any further Wiener rule payments and still pay off early with no
>>> balloon.
>>>
>>> We could allot this 55K, not as an extra "payment" but as the 2017 Wiener
>>> rule payment which we *already have to pay* if we are going to be compliant.
>>> And we would be making an extra payment this year - only it is coming out of
>>> the bequest.
>>> So that is a 205K payment in 2017 which does not take away from anything
>>> else in extra payment.  And we would still be committed to the Wiener rule
>>> payment in 2019.
>>>
>>> This is basically getting back to Sam's original proposal of $150K.  That
>>> is the minimum I would accept in light of this information.  We are
>>> obligation to do a 60K payment in 2017 - what is at issue is whether we do
>>> an "additional" 60K payment.  But we could even perhaps do that - depending
>>> on how the bequest rules are- we could make the 105K building fund this year
>>> and exhaust the Bequest in the next year and use that generous donor's money
>>> to get us more quickly out of this.  AND still fund-raise to make additional
>>> payments.
>>>
>>> And this does not keep us from having funds for other projects.
>>>
>>> I am not saying this is what I support but this is a reasonable path.
>>>
>>> --
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 9:25 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If people were looking for that amortization worksheet Daniel Wiener
>>>> referenced, I dug it out of the LNC archives and attach it here.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 8:02 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have stated my position.  And assuming no earth-shattering new
>>>>> information or argument, how I intend to vote.  Rationale already given.  I
>>>>> have other motions and items that require my present attention.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, November 28, 2016, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our Policy Manual also encourages specific fundraising for that
>>>>>> purpose, in the same section that creates the minimums and creates priority.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "It shall be the goal of the LNC to completely pay off the office
>>>>>> mortgage as quickly as possible, and in any case prior to the due date of
>>>>>> the 10-year balloon payment. Towards that end the LNC shall budget a minimum
>>>>>> of $60,000 in each odd-numbered year to pay down the principal until the
>>>>>> mortgage balance is zero. Fundraising for this specific purpose shall be
>>>>>> made a high priority. This provision does not preclude additional
>>>>>> fundraising and prepayments in even-numbered years. " (emphasis added)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Policy Manual specifically requires that we give high priority to
>>>>>> raising money specifically to pay off the building.  Have we done so this
>>>>>> year? Do we have a plan to do so next year?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The particular section specifically mentions specific fundraising
>>>>>> twice. While I think it is a reasonable assumption, based on the wording in
>>>>>> the manual, that a 1-for-1 match would be sufficient, I proposed a 2-for-1
>>>>>> because I do think it's important to pay down the mortgage and felt it might
>>>>>> be an acceptable compromise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we can create some priority - staff should exist - then we've
>>>>>> already established that there's a balance to be struck.  With that
>>>>>> established, I believe that we can best comply with the Policy Manual and
>>>>>> with the desires of multiple LNC members by having the 2-for-1 matching
>>>>>> scenario.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And if the membership wants this to be a high-priority project, then
>>>>>> certainly they would put their money specifically toward that effort, would
>>>>>> they not?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2016-11-28 09:10, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No it doesn't.  We have the 100K from the bequest that isn't part of
>>>>>> our fundraising windfall.  We have the deficit from the last payment to
>>>>>> catch up- putting us st around 150K.  Our policy manual - urges us- on our
>>>>>> own- to get ahead.  Putting the extra amount ahead is what is reasonable and
>>>>>> what I will be supporting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No one has suggested there is not money for other things and this
>>>>>> insures saved money for other things.  We can do a fundraiser next year with
>>>>>> our fiscally responsible choice in Dec as a selling point centerpiece.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, November 28, 2016, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess it depends on who your target audience is.  When I walk into
>>>>>>> a shop and their IT infrastructure is a decade old, my immediate thought is
>>>>>>> that the company doesn't have their priorities in order.  Certainly, I'm
>>>>>>> biased in that regard.  Smaller manufacturing businesses are notorious from
>>>>>>> being way out of date.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Democratic Party provides websites for their candidates for a
>>>>>>> nominal fee. Why?  Because that way campaigns can focus on issues and real
>>>>>>> politicking, not spending excessive amounts of time on back-office work.
>>>>>>> They're out knocking on doors and building their base.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Republican Party, through the Kochs, is building a massive
>>>>>>> database of voters for their Big Data project. Why?  Because that way they
>>>>>>> know what issues drive voters. They can micro-target messaging, making their
>>>>>>> outreach and GOTV more efficient.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Libertarian Party currently has a mailing list that sends
>>>>>>> everything to a Google list so that people can subscribe to the Google list
>>>>>>> to watch.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If we are to appeal to the Millenial generation, we can't be running
>>>>>>> on a 286 in a basement.  Once upon a time, the LP was ahead of the game when
>>>>>>> it came to technology.  We have stagnated and let our competition overtake
>>>>>>> us. If our primary political opponents are crushing us on the phones and at
>>>>>>> the door, how do we ever expect to win?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I became chair of LPKY in 2007, we had no IT infrastructure. We
>>>>>>> had a website that was put in place by the previous chair, that cost too
>>>>>>> much money, was poorly organized, and didn't do the job.  Thankfully, the
>>>>>>> situation isn't exactly parallel - while there are problems, we don't have
>>>>>>> to start over from scratch. But it will take time and investment to get the
>>>>>>> website to where it needs to be. That will happen.  Likewise, other parts of
>>>>>>> our operation need to have similar focus.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm all about paying down debt. I absolutely love it, conceptually. I
>>>>>>> just don't want to see us cripple the party in 2017 in order to achieve the
>>>>>>> goal of paying off that debt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So here's what I'd propose, if we want to put over $200K toward the
>>>>>>> mortgage. Let's do a 2-for-1 donation match. We put $60K in the budget, as
>>>>>>> required. Subtracted from the proposed $207,500, that leaves $147,500. For
>>>>>>> ease of numbers, let's round that up to $50,000.  So, if we can raise
>>>>>>> $50,000 specifically for paying off the building, we will put $100,000 as
>>>>>>> the match.  Let's let our membership determine the projects on which they
>>>>>>> want us to spend the money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does that seem reasonable?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2016-11-28 08:31, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would further note- if we make this payment now and make NO
>>>>>>> additional payments (which I do not support) because the 60k is needed next
>>>>>>> year (odd numbered year) - we will have freed future Libertarians from the
>>>>>>> balloon payment AND an amount in interest that would pay a good chunk of a
>>>>>>> ballot access drive.  In every scenario, this is the right choice.  And we
>>>>>>> would have only two more policy manual extra payments - 2017 and 2019- and
>>>>>>> the mortgage would be paid in full just by the 2020 election- a fantastic
>>>>>>> example for others.  We will have set up the next LNC for success.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And our fiscal responsibility can be used in our new member retention
>>>>>>> program as they can trust we are wise with funds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, November 28, 2016, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no proposal to spend "all" of the discretionary monies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And Hagan pointed out this is a way we can have access to the bulk
>>>>>>>> of a bequest that the donor certainly wished we had access to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The bequest money isn't available in that amount now for this OR
>>>>>>>> that.  It is available for this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hagan's last option is the most prudent and responsible and does not
>>>>>>>> require anything like an "all" scenario and doesn't burden the next decade
>>>>>>>> of Libertarians with interest that the policy manual urged us to avoid in
>>>>>>>> making more than the 60K extra- and here with the bequest we have the
>>>>>>>> opportunity to access over 100K and have an unexpected windfall in new
>>>>>>>> members.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If any other priority is given as well - new member retention must
>>>>>>>> be up there as mentioned in emails leading up to the Sept meeting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As for the website - well members were told that in 2006 too, and
>>>>>>>> that data is still waiting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 28, 2016, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My goal isn't to pull something over on people.  If nothing else,
>>>>>>>>> know that I am open with my personal thoughts on matters -- as you may have
>>>>>>>>> noticed -- and I'm not trying to hide anything. I'm a Libertarian; I don't
>>>>>>>>> believe in using force or fraud.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are other IT issues beyond the website that I dare not
>>>>>>>>> mention on a public list; things that range from embarrassing to disabling.
>>>>>>>>> I'll be more than happy to discuss these issues in person in December.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The new IT committee is taking over from a previous committee with
>>>>>>>>> an entirely different personnel makeup.  The new IT Committee, such as it
>>>>>>>>> exists at the moment, is far from ignoring the calls for repairs and changes
>>>>>>>>> to the website. This is a priority of everyone involved.  This is currently
>>>>>>>>> being done under staff direction, and they are working on it.  The website
>>>>>>>>> continues to be populated with important information, and will continue to
>>>>>>>>> evolve and have more information added/returned, in addition to other
>>>>>>>>> important website changes. (Ironically, I was trying to find out exactly
>>>>>>>>> when the building was purchased and couldn't because that information wasn't
>>>>>>>>> brought over. Heh.)  In sum, the website will get fixed to the best of our
>>>>>>>>> ability.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But if all the discretionary income gets spent on the mortgage
>>>>>>>>> (which is not the worst way to spend it) then there won't be an opportunity
>>>>>>>>> to get other fixes in place.  And that's just IT.  I know there are Ballot
>>>>>>>>> Access drives in our future in 2017 - Arkansas and Ohio, specifically - and
>>>>>>>>> those won't be cheap.  Arkansas will be about $37,500 and Ohio will be about
>>>>>>>>> $255,000, based on 2016 validity rates and assuming no volunteer signatures
>>>>>>>>> or other sources of funding (which there will be, of course).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, we need to really leverage 2016 to get a
>>>>>>>>> record-breaking amount of fundraising in the "after-year".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2016-11-27 23:26, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now that wasn't the entirety of my argument, but I am not getting
>>>>>>>>> into another LNC spitting match.  Interested members and readers can go
>>>>>>>>> through my comments and see what I said- the policy manual was a big part,
>>>>>>>>> but a part and not the entirety.  It is indeed less out of date then than
>>>>>>>>> now.  And something obviously know as the passage of time and aging is a
>>>>>>>>> known quantity.  As is debt and interest, something Libertarians are
>>>>>>>>> supposed to model fiscal responsibilities for.  And having not transferred
>>>>>>>>> 83% of our data certainly will look to our members like throwing good money
>>>>>>>>> after bad.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is selling the members a bill of goods.  Just like they are
>>>>>>>>> suspecting on the website data loss.  We have not inspired confidence, and I
>>>>>>>>> am not about to vote to further sell our word down the river.  The
>>>>>>>>> ludicruousness of the proposition that a reading would mean to fire staff if
>>>>>>>>> my reading that surpluses need to be given priority there is as self-evident
>>>>>>>>> to me as the idea that we also do not need to sell ourselves into slavery as
>>>>>>>>> committee persons.  If it is not self-evident, then the sky is a different
>>>>>>>>> colour in my world.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With the data loss (more accurately lack of transfer - and there is
>>>>>>>>> still a folfer of files from the 2006 site that were supposed to be restored
>>>>>>>>> and not) and what I and enough others see as mismanagement of the website
>>>>>>>>> transfer, if I were an affiliate, I would not be entrusting my affiliate's
>>>>>>>>> email to a natonal-provided service.  Let's get the website straightened out
>>>>>>>>> and then perhaps other investments will be in order.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And certainly that is not a bigger priority than already incurred
>>>>>>>>> debt.  There is ALWAYS something great to spend money on.  We are selling
>>>>>>>>> the efforts of future Libertarians just like our country is selling the
>>>>>>>>> future of today's children.  No.  I will not do that.  If we can't elimiante
>>>>>>>>> our own debt we have zero business thinking we can tell others that is how
>>>>>>>>> they have to live.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Ken Moellman
>>>>>>>>> <ken.moellman at lpky.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My contention is that there may be other priorities upon which a
>>>>>>>>>> portion of the proposed $207,500 spending on the office mortgage should be
>>>>>>>>>> spent. I included the examples of Ballot Access and IT Infrastructure.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your contention is that the priority must be given to the paying
>>>>>>>>>> off of the mortgage, because the Policy Manual says so.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Policy Manual states in Section 2.03.17:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "It shall be the goal of the LNC to completely pay off the office
>>>>>>>>>> mortgage as quickly as possible, and in any case prior to the due date of
>>>>>>>>>> the 10-year balloon payment. Towards that end the LNC shall budget a minimum
>>>>>>>>>> of $60,000 in each odd-numbered year to pay down the principal until the
>>>>>>>>>> mortgage balance is zero. Fundraising for this specific purpose shall be
>>>>>>>>>> made a high priority. This provision does not preclude additional
>>>>>>>>>> fundraising and prepayments in even-numbered years. "  (emphasis added)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The portion of the policy manual highlighted above seems to be
>>>>>>>>>> that to which you reference when you made your statement.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Additionally, you state that you are unwilling to give higher
>>>>>>>>>> priority to the IT Infrastructure, stating that the infrastructure was a
>>>>>>>>>> decade old when the building was purchased.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> First, the infrastructure was less out-of-date than it is now. It
>>>>>>>>>> continues to get further and further out of date.  We continue to use hacks
>>>>>>>>>> and other non-standard practices to accomplish goals with the existing
>>>>>>>>>> infrastructure, rather than upgrade.  There is a real cost to this.
>>>>>>>>>> LPedia's decay is an easy example of what happens when things don't get
>>>>>>>>>> upgraded - upgrading MediaWiki to a newer version is incredibly painful at
>>>>>>>>>> this point.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Second, IT infrastructure upgrades would actually make staff and
>>>>>>>>>> affiliate parties more productive. Imagine if LP National could, as part of
>>>>>>>>>> a broader upgrade, provide basic services to affiliate parties such as email
>>>>>>>>>> services. Instead of 52 organizations all trying to figure out how to manage
>>>>>>>>>> email, we could upgrade National's email infrastructure and provide email
>>>>>>>>>> services to all 51 affiliates.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Third, there are real security issues that do need to be
>>>>>>>>>> addressed.  There are security patches released almost every single day.
>>>>>>>>>> We're approximately 3000 days behind on security patches on a few pieces of
>>>>>>>>>> our infrastructure.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now, if we are to forgo some projects with clear benefits, like IT
>>>>>>>>>> Infrastructure improvements, because the Policy Manual tells us we must pay
>>>>>>>>>> down the mortgage before all other things, then what is ludicrous with
>>>>>>>>>> suggesting using the staff budget for further paying down the mortgage?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Certainly, I think it's a bad idea.  But I also think foregoing
>>>>>>>>>> other important tasks in favor of paying down the mortgage is also a bad
>>>>>>>>>> idea.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's just my $0.02 on the matter.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-11-27 22:35, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No frankly that is a ludicrous interpretation. And paying any more
>>>>>>>>>> interest that we have to in member money (OPM) is even moreso.  This is why
>>>>>>>>>> members view this body with distrust.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Ken Moellman
>>>>>>>>>> <ken.moellman at lpky.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just pointing out that there are other items that also need
>>>>>>>>>>> attention.  As an alternate, I probably won't get a vote anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If we are to take the strictest interpretation of 2.03.17, we
>>>>>>>>>>> should lay off all of the staff and put their salaries toward the building
>>>>>>>>>>> debt as well. However, I would suggest that doing so would be a foolish
>>>>>>>>>>> approach.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Putting off IT infrastructure upgrades is only going to make the
>>>>>>>>>>> inevitable more painful in the long-term.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-11-27 22:06, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Further the bequest rules make it a no-brainer in my view.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:04 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ken, while I appreciate that, our Policy Manual puts the
>>>>>>>>>>>> building pay-off as a priority.  We can always find an excuse to put that
>>>>>>>>>>>> off.  I will not.  If we are going to expect our government to follow
>>>>>>>>>>>> commitments and shed debt, we must.  The IT infrastructure that exists -
>>>>>>>>>>>> existed at the same time we got the mortgage.  We sold the idea of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> mortgage to members on a certain committement and vision, and I fully intend
>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:45 PM, Ken Moellman
>>>>>>>>>>>> <ken.moellman at lpky.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> All -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> While paying off the building faster is a great goal, we may
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have other priorities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specifically, we have 12 states without ballot access at this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time, and we have an IT infrastructure that's from the last century -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> literally.  These things will take money to remedy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>>>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-11-27 19:42, David Demarest wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your plan sets a good example of fiscal responsibility for all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarians. I also support your higher amount.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The War on Compulsory Authoritarian Majority Rule Cronyism
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Begins Now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 4:33 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com>; Libertarian National
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committee list <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Added Mortgage Payment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That sounds like the smart plan.  Future Libertarians will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thank us.  I support your higher amount.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Tim Hagan
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will call your $150,000 and raise it to $207,500. I request
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we add 20 minutes to the December meeting agenda for a motion to make a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> payment on the principal on our office mortgage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The mortgage's loan rate is 4.85% with a balloon payment at ten
>>>>>>>>>>>>> years, which is in July 24, 2024. Robert was kind enough to furnish the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached load amortization spreadsheet. I ran five scenarios on it to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the amount of interest we will pay from December 2016 to when the balloon
>>>>>>>>>>>>> payment is due, and to get the amount of the balloon payment that will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> due at that time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without any more prepayments (not paying an extra $60,000 on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> odd-numbered years):
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interest: $139,400.40
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Balloon payment due 7/24/2024: $301,040.34
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> With the current policy of paying an extra $60,000 on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> odd-numbered years:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interest: $84,900.77
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Balloon payment due 7/24/2024: $6,540.71
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paying an additional $207,500 in the December payment, and not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> paying extra in future years:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interest: $45,751.59
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Balloon payment due 7/24/2024: $0.00
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paying an additional $150,00 in the December payment, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> paying an extra $60,000 on odd-numbered years:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interest: $32,805.22
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mortgage gets paid off July 2021.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paying an additional $207,500 in the December payment, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> paying an extra $60,000 on odd-numbered years:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interest: $19,879.20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mortgage gets paid off May 2020.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you can see, paying $207,500 in December will eliminate
>>>>>>>>>>>>> having a balloon payment in 2024 and will save at least $39k in interest. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we keep the Weiner rule, it will save $65k in interest and have the mortgage
>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid off four years early. The targeted Reserve is the sum of all monthly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> occupancy, labor and governance expenses, which comes to $45,292. At the end
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of October, the reserve was at $415,669, so I am comfortable with paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>> $207,500, even if next year's budget has a large deficit. We will have new
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reserve number before the meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The trust from a bequest has $167,404. We have been taking the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> maximum allowable amount out each year for the general fund. A law passed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> December 2014 now allows national political committees to have a separate
>>>>>>>>>>>>> segregated building fund with its own contribution limit of three times the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> limit for the general fund. We have not done this before, because we needed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the bequest for the general fund, but we can transfer up to $100,200 from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the bequest to the building fund and use those funds toward making a payment
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the mortgage principal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My preference is to pay at least $207,500 toward the mortgage
>>>>>>>>>>>>> principal to save on interest payments and to ensure no balloon payment. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that passes, then I would favor reducing the policy to budget an extra $60k
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on odd years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Hagan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 8:11 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Lnc-business] Added Mortgage Payment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I intend to make a motion at our next meeting to spend a good
>>>>>>>>>>>>> portion of our 2016 surplus to make a payment on the principal on our office
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mortgage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not knowing our final numbers at this time lends some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> uncertainty to that number, but I would like to start the bidding at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> $150,000.  That amount ought to leave us in a very favorable position as to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> our ongoing reserve for unforeseen expenses over the next few years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone want to offer a lower/higher amount?  If so, what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is your reasoning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Live Free,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Member at Large
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
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>
>
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>
>
>
>
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