[Lnc-business] Added Mortgage Payment

Tue Nov 29 14:45:52 EST 2016

Details? I know tangentially what you mean but not fully.

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016, Nicholas Sarwark <chair at lp.org> wrote:

> Drawing money from the current bequest into any account other than the
> operating account may have a negative impact on pending Federal
> litigation.
>
> -Nick
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <carynannharlos at gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > My suggestion though would require paying the 105K (approx) during one
> year
> > (this one most likely) and then having the re-set for what we can draw
> from
> > the bequest next year.
> >
> > Basically I am suggesting taking full advantage of what we can get from
> the
> > bequest to put towards this.
> >
> > This would seem to satisfy a lot of issues.
> >
> > Again, not saying I support but it is an alternative I thought about. It
> > seems (?) everyone is in agreement on the make-up we need to do from the
> > 2015 shortfall.  And it seems like there might (?) be agreement on the
> 105K
> > from the bequest.
> >
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
> Caryn.Ann.
> > Harlos at LP.org
> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Joshua Katz <
> planning4liberty at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I have been a dissenting voice as well.  I am inclined to be positive
> >> towards this suggestion, but I don't want to commit myself without more
> time
> >> to think.  However, I stand by my desire to take it up after the
> budget, at
> >> which point it is possible I'd favor a larger amount than this.
> >>
> >> Joshua A. Katz
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> >> <carynannharlos at gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Ken, I have been doing some thinking, and while I am not saying I
> support
> >>> what I am about to say, I don't oppose it, and IF there is some
> compromise
> >>> position (though with all due respect - when you say to satisfy the
> desires
> >>> of some LNC members - you so far have been the only dissenting voice
> and are
> >>> an alternate - we do not yet know what your regional representative
> thinks
> >>> on the issue), using round numbers, this one:
> >>>
> >>> We shorted 2015 by about 40K.
> >>> We have about 105K that we can take from the bequest that would not
> >>> otherwise be accessible.
> >>>
> >>> That puts us at roughly 145K which would be satisfying our prior
> >>> obligation AND accessing money that is not coming from any other line
> item
> >>> next year (thus not shorting any other project).
> >>>
> >>> So we were proposing paying another 55K.  If we did that, we could not
> >>> make any further Wiener rule payments and still pay off early with no
> >>> balloon.
> >>>
> >>> We could allot this 55K, not as an extra "payment" but as the 2017
> Wiener
> >>> rule payment which we *already have to pay* if we are going to be
> compliant.
> >>> And we would be making an extra payment this year - only it is coming
> out of
> >>> the bequest.
> >>> So that is a 205K payment in 2017 which does not take away from
> anything
> >>> else in extra payment.  And we would still be committed to the Wiener
> rule
> >>> payment in 2019.
> >>>
> >>> This is basically getting back to Sam's original proposal of $150K.
> That
> >>> is the minimum I would accept in light of this information.  We are
> >>> obligation to do a 60K payment in 2017 - what is at issue is whether
> we do
> >>> an "additional" 60K payment.  But we could even perhaps do that -
> depending
> >>> on how the bequest rules are- we could make the 105K building fund
> this year
> >>> and exhaust the Bequest in the next year and use that generous donor's
> money
> >>> to get us more quickly out of this.  AND still fund-raise to make
> additional
> >>> payments.
> >>>
> >>> And this does not keep us from having funds for other projects.
> >>>
> >>> I am not saying this is what I support but this is a reasonable path.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> In Liberty,
> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona,
> >>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
> Caryn.Ann.
> >>> Harlos at LP.org
> >>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 9:25 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> If people were looking for that amortization worksheet Daniel Wiener
> >>>> referenced, I dug it out of the LNC archives and attach it here.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> In Liberty,
> >>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> >>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington) -
> >>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 8:02 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have stated my position.  And assuming no earth-shattering new
> >>>>> information or argument, how I intend to vote.  Rationale already
> given.  I
> >>>>> have other motions and items that require my present attention.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Monday, November 28, 2016, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org
> <javascript:;>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Our Policy Manual also encourages specific fundraising for that
> >>>>>> purpose, in the same section that creates the minimums and creates
> priority.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "It shall be the goal of the LNC to completely pay off the office
> >>>>>> mortgage as quickly as possible, and in any case prior to the due
> date of
> >>>>>> the 10-year balloon payment. Towards that end the LNC shall budget
> a minimum
> >>>>>> of $60,000 in each odd-numbered year to pay down the principal
> until the
> >>>>>> mortgage balance is zero. Fundraising for this specific purpose
> shall be
> >>>>>> made a high priority. This provision does not preclude additional
> >>>>>> fundraising and prepayments in even-numbered years. " (emphasis
> added)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Policy Manual specifically requires that we give high priority
> to
> >>>>>> raising money specifically to pay off the building.  Have we done
> so this
> >>>>>> year? Do we have a plan to do so next year?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The particular section specifically mentions specific fundraising
> >>>>>> twice. While I think it is a reasonable assumption, based on the
> wording in
> >>>>>> the manual, that a 1-for-1 match would be sufficient, I proposed a
> 2-for-1
> >>>>>> because I do think it's important to pay down the mortgage and felt
> it might
> >>>>>> be an acceptable compromise.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If we can create some priority - staff should exist - then we've
> >>>>>> already established that there's a balance to be struck.  With that
> >>>>>> established, I believe that we can best comply with the Policy
> Manual and
> >>>>>> with the desires of multiple LNC members by having the 2-for-1
> matching
> >>>>>> scenario.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And if the membership wants this to be a high-priority project, then
> >>>>>> certainly they would put their money specifically toward that
> effort, would
> >>>>>> they not?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
> >>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
> >>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2016-11-28 09:10, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No it doesn't.  We have the 100K from the bequest that isn't part of
> >>>>>> our fundraising windfall.  We have the deficit from the last
> payment to
> >>>>>> catch up- putting us st around 150K.  Our policy manual - urges us-
> on our
> >>>>>> own- to get ahead.  Putting the extra amount ahead is what is
> reasonable and
> >>>>>> what I will be supporting.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No one has suggested there is not money for other things and this
> >>>>>> insures saved money for other things.  We can do a fundraiser next
> year with
> >>>>>> our fiscally responsible choice in Dec as a selling point
> centerpiece.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> In Liberty,
> >>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> >>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington) -
> >>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> In Liberty,
> >>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> >>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington) -
> >>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Monday, November 28, 2016, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org
> <javascript:;>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I guess it depends on who your target audience is.  When I walk
> into
> >>>>>>> a shop and their IT infrastructure is a decade old, my immediate
> thought is
> >>>>>>> that the company doesn't have their priorities in order.
> Certainly, I'm
> >>>>>>> biased in that regard.  Smaller manufacturing businesses are
> notorious from
> >>>>>>> being way out of date.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Democratic Party provides websites for their candidates for a
> >>>>>>> nominal fee. Why?  Because that way campaigns can focus on issues
> and real
> >>>>>>> politicking, not spending excessive amounts of time on back-office
> work.
> >>>>>>> They're out knocking on doors and building their base.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Republican Party, through the Kochs, is building a massive
> >>>>>>> database of voters for their Big Data project. Why?  Because that
> way they
> >>>>>>> know what issues drive voters. They can micro-target messaging,
> making their
> >>>>>>> outreach and GOTV more efficient.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Libertarian Party currently has a mailing list that sends
> >>>>>>> everything to a Google list so that people can subscribe to the
> Google list
> >>>>>>> to watch.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If we are to appeal to the Millenial generation, we can't be
> running
> >>>>>>> on a 286 in a basement.  Once upon a time, the LP was ahead of the
> game when
> >>>>>>> it came to technology.  We have stagnated and let our competition
> overtake
> >>>>>>> us. If our primary political opponents are crushing us on the
> phones and at
> >>>>>>> the door, how do we ever expect to win?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> When I became chair of LPKY in 2007, we had no IT infrastructure.
> We
> >>>>>>> had a website that was put in place by the previous chair, that
> cost too
> >>>>>>> much money, was poorly organized, and didn't do the job.
> Thankfully, the
> >>>>>>> situation isn't exactly parallel - while there are problems, we
> don't have
> >>>>>>> to start over from scratch. But it will take time and investment
> to get the
> >>>>>>> website to where it needs to be. That will happen.  Likewise,
> other parts of
> >>>>>>> our operation need to have similar focus.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm all about paying down debt. I absolutely love it,
> conceptually. I
> >>>>>>> just don't want to see us cripple the party in 2017 in order to
> achieve the
> >>>>>>> goal of paying off that debt.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So here's what I'd propose, if we want to put over $200K toward the
> >>>>>>> mortgage. Let's do a 2-for-1 donation match. We put $60K in the
> budget, as
> >>>>>>> required. Subtracted from the proposed $207,500, that leaves
> $147,500. For
> >>>>>>> ease of numbers, let's round that up to $50,000.  So, if we can
> raise
> >>>>>>> $50,000 specifically for paying off the building, we will put
> $100,000 as
> >>>>>>> the match.  Let's let our membership determine the projects on
> which they
> >>>>>>> want us to spend the money.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Does that seem reasonable?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
> >>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
> >>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 2016-11-28 08:31, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I would further note- if we make this payment now and make NO
> >>>>>>> additional payments (which I do not support) because the 60k is
> needed next
> >>>>>>> year (odd numbered year) - we will have freed future Libertarians
> from the
> >>>>>>> balloon payment AND an amount in interest that would pay a good
> chunk of a
> >>>>>>> ballot access drive.  In every scenario, this is the right
> choice.  And we
> >>>>>>> would have only two more policy manual extra payments - 2017 and
> 2019- and
> >>>>>>> the mortgage would be paid in full just by the 2020 election- a
> fantastic
> >>>>>>> example for others.  We will have set up the next LNC for success.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> And our fiscal responsibility can be used in our new member
> retention
> >>>>>>> program as they can trust we are wise with funds.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> In Liberty,
> >>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> >>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington) -
> >>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Monday, November 28, 2016, Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>>>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> There is no proposal to spend "all" of the discretionary monies.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> And Hagan pointed out this is a way we can have access to the bulk
> >>>>>>>> of a bequest that the donor certainly wished we had access to.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The bequest money isn't available in that amount now for this OR
> >>>>>>>> that.  It is available for this.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hagan's last option is the most prudent and responsible and does
> not
> >>>>>>>> require anything like an "all" scenario and doesn't burden the
> next decade
> >>>>>>>> of Libertarians with interest that the policy manual urged us to
> avoid in
> >>>>>>>> making more than the 60K extra- and here with the bequest we have
> the
> >>>>>>>> opportunity to access over 100K and have an unexpected windfall
> in new
> >>>>>>>> members.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If any other priority is given as well - new member retention must
> >>>>>>>> be up there as mentioned in emails leading up to the Sept meeting.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> As for the website - well members were told that in 2006 too, and
> >>>>>>>> that data is still waiting.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> In Liberty,
> >>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> >>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington) -
> >>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Monday, November 28, 2016, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org
> <javascript:;>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> My goal isn't to pull something over on people.  If nothing else,
> >>>>>>>>> know that I am open with my personal thoughts on matters -- as
> you may have
> >>>>>>>>> noticed -- and I'm not trying to hide anything. I'm a
> Libertarian; I don't
> >>>>>>>>> believe in using force or fraud.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> There are other IT issues beyond the website that I dare not
> >>>>>>>>> mention on a public list; things that range from embarrassing to
> disabling.
> >>>>>>>>> I'll be more than happy to discuss these issues in person in
> December.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The new IT committee is taking over from a previous committee
> with
> >>>>>>>>> an entirely different personnel makeup.  The new IT Committee,
> such as it
> >>>>>>>>> exists at the moment, is far from ignoring the calls for repairs
> and changes
> >>>>>>>>> to the website. This is a priority of everyone involved.  This
> is currently
> >>>>>>>>> being done under staff direction, and they are working on it.
> The website
> >>>>>>>>> continues to be populated with important information, and will
> continue to
> >>>>>>>>> evolve and have more information added/returned, in addition to
> other
> >>>>>>>>> important website changes. (Ironically, I was trying to find out
> exactly
> >>>>>>>>> when the building was purchased and couldn't because that
> information wasn't
> >>>>>>>>> brought over. Heh.)  In sum, the website will get fixed to the
> best of our
> >>>>>>>>> ability.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> But if all the discretionary income gets spent on the mortgage
> >>>>>>>>> (which is not the worst way to spend it) then there won't be an
> opportunity
> >>>>>>>>> to get other fixes in place.  And that's just IT.  I know there
> are Ballot
> >>>>>>>>> Access drives in our future in 2017 - Arkansas and Ohio,
> specifically - and
> >>>>>>>>> those won't be cheap.  Arkansas will be about $37,500 and Ohio
> will be about
> >>>>>>>>> $255,000, based on 2016 validity rates and assuming no volunteer
> signatures
> >>>>>>>>> or other sources of funding (which there will be, of course).
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In my opinion, we need to really leverage 2016 to get a
> >>>>>>>>> record-breaking amount of fundraising in the "after-year".
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
> >>>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
> >>>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 2016-11-27 23:26, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Now that wasn't the entirety of my argument, but I am not getting
> >>>>>>>>> into another LNC spitting match.  Interested members and readers
> can go
> >>>>>>>>> through my comments and see what I said- the policy manual was a
> big part,
> >>>>>>>>> but a part and not the entirety.  It is indeed less out of date
> then than
> >>>>>>>>> now.  And something obviously know as the passage of time and
> aging is a
> >>>>>>>>> known quantity.  As is debt and interest, something Libertarians
> are
> >>>>>>>>> supposed to model fiscal responsibilities for.  And having not
> transferred
> >>>>>>>>> 83% of our data certainly will look to our members like throwing
> good money
> >>>>>>>>> after bad.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> This is selling the members a bill of goods.  Just like they are
> >>>>>>>>> suspecting on the website data loss.  We have not inspired
> confidence, and I
> >>>>>>>>> am not about to vote to further sell our word down the river.
> The
> >>>>>>>>> ludicruousness of the proposition that a reading would mean to
> fire staff if
> >>>>>>>>> my reading that surpluses need to be given priority there is as
> self-evident
> >>>>>>>>> to me as the idea that we also do not need to sell ourselves
> into slavery as
> >>>>>>>>> committee persons.  If it is not self-evident, then the sky is a
> different
> >>>>>>>>> colour in my world.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> With the data loss (more accurately lack of transfer - and there
> is
> >>>>>>>>> still a folfer of files from the 2006 site that were supposed to
> be restored
> >>>>>>>>> and not) and what I and enough others see as mismanagement of
> the website
> >>>>>>>>> transfer, if I were an affiliate, I would not be entrusting my
> affiliate's
> >>>>>>>>> email to a natonal-provided service.  Let's get the website
> straightened out
> >>>>>>>>> and then perhaps other investments will be in order.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> And certainly that is not a bigger priority than already incurred
> >>>>>>>>> debt.  There is ALWAYS something great to spend money on.  We
> are selling
> >>>>>>>>> the efforts of future Libertarians just like our country is
> selling the
> >>>>>>>>> future of today's children.  No.  I will not do that.  If we
> can't elimiante
> >>>>>>>>> our own debt we have zero business thinking we can tell others
> that is how
> >>>>>>>>> they have to live.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
> >>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> >>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington) -
> >>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Ken Moellman
> >>>>>>>>> <ken.moellman at lpky.org <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> My contention is that there may be other priorities upon which a
> >>>>>>>>>> portion of the proposed $207,500 spending on the office
> mortgage should be
> >>>>>>>>>> spent. I included the examples of Ballot Access and IT
> Infrastructure.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Your contention is that the priority must be given to the paying
> >>>>>>>>>> off of the mortgage, because the Policy Manual says so.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The Policy Manual states in Section 2.03.17:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> "It shall be the goal of the LNC to completely pay off the
> office
> >>>>>>>>>> mortgage as quickly as possible, and in any case prior to the
> due date of
> >>>>>>>>>> the 10-year balloon payment. Towards that end the LNC shall
> budget a minimum
> >>>>>>>>>> of $60,000 in each odd-numbered year to pay down the principal
> until the
> >>>>>>>>>> mortgage balance is zero. Fundraising for this specific purpose
> shall be
> >>>>>>>>>> made a high priority. This provision does not preclude
> additional
> >>>>>>>>>> fundraising and prepayments in even-numbered years. "
> (emphasis added)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The portion of the policy manual highlighted above seems to be
> >>>>>>>>>> that to which you reference when you made your statement.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Additionally, you state that you are unwilling to give higher
> >>>>>>>>>> priority to the IT Infrastructure, stating that the
> infrastructure was a
> >>>>>>>>>> decade old when the building was purchased.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> First, the infrastructure was less out-of-date than it is now.
> It
> >>>>>>>>>> continues to get further and further out of date.  We continue
> to use hacks
> >>>>>>>>>> and other non-standard practices to accomplish goals with the
> existing
> >>>>>>>>>> infrastructure, rather than upgrade.  There is a real cost to
> this.
> >>>>>>>>>> LPedia's decay is an easy example of what happens when things
> don't get
> >>>>>>>>>> upgraded - upgrading MediaWiki to a newer version is incredibly
> painful at
> >>>>>>>>>> this point.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Second, IT infrastructure upgrades would actually make staff and
> >>>>>>>>>> affiliate parties more productive. Imagine if LP National
> could, as part of
> >>>>>>>>>> a broader upgrade, provide basic services to affiliate parties
> such as email
> >>>>>>>>>> services. Instead of 52 organizations all trying to figure out
> how to manage
> >>>>>>>>>> email, we could upgrade National's email infrastructure and
> provide email
> >>>>>>>>>> services to all 51 affiliates.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Third, there are real security issues that do need to be
> >>>>>>>>>> addressed.  There are security patches released almost every
> single day.
> >>>>>>>>>> We're approximately 3000 days behind on security patches on a
> few pieces of
> >>>>>>>>>> our infrastructure.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Now, if we are to forgo some projects with clear benefits, like
> IT
> >>>>>>>>>> Infrastructure improvements, because the Policy Manual tells us
> we must pay
> >>>>>>>>>> down the mortgage before all other things, then what is
> ludicrous with
> >>>>>>>>>> suggesting using the staff budget for further paying down the
> mortgage?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Certainly, I think it's a bad idea.  But I also think foregoing
> >>>>>>>>>> other important tasks in favor of paying down the mortgage is
> also a bad
> >>>>>>>>>> idea.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> That's just my $0.02 on the matter.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
> >>>>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
> >>>>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 2016-11-27 22:35, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> No frankly that is a ludicrous interpretation. And paying any
> more
> >>>>>>>>>> interest that we have to in member money (OPM) is even moreso.
> This is why
> >>>>>>>>>> members view this body with distrust.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
> >>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> >>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington) -
> >>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Ken Moellman
> >>>>>>>>>> <ken.moellman at lpky.org <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm just pointing out that there are other items that also need
> >>>>>>>>>>> attention.  As an alternate, I probably won't get a vote
> anyway.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> If we are to take the strictest interpretation of 2.03.17, we
> >>>>>>>>>>> should lay off all of the staff and put their salaries toward
> the building
> >>>>>>>>>>> debt as well. However, I would suggest that doing so would be
> a foolish
> >>>>>>>>>>> approach.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Putting off IT infrastructure upgrades is only going to make
> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> inevitable more painful in the long-term.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
> >>>>>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
> >>>>>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-11-27 22:06, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Further the bequest rules make it a no-brainer in my view.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> (Alaska,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington) -
> >>>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:04 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>>>>>>>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ken, while I appreciate that, our Policy Manual puts the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> building pay-off as a priority.  We can always find an excuse
> to put that
> >>>>>>>>>>>> off.  I will not.  If we are going to expect our government
> to follow
> >>>>>>>>>>>> commitments and shed debt, we must.  The IT infrastructure
> that exists -
> >>>>>>>>>>>> existed at the same time we got the mortgage.  We sold the
> idea of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> mortgage to members on a certain committement and vision, and
> I fully intend
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to keep it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> (Alaska,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington) -
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:45 PM, Ken Moellman
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <ken.moellman at lpky.org <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> All -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> While paying off the building faster is a great goal, we may
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> have other priorities.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Specifically, we have 12 states without ballot access at this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> time, and we have an IT infrastructure that's from the last
> century -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> literally.  These things will take money to remedy.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Just something to keep in mind.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-11-27 19:42, David Demarest wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Your plan sets a good example of fiscal responsibility for
> all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarians. I also support your higher amount.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The War on Compulsory Authoritarian Majority Rule Cronyism
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Begins Now
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
> <javascript:;>] On
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 4:33 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com <javascript:;>>;
> Libertarian National
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Committee list <lnc-business at hq.lp.org <javascript:;>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Added Mortgage Payment
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That sounds like the smart plan.  Future Libertarians will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> thank us.  I support your higher amount.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
> Wyoming,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Tim Hagan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I will call your $150,000 and raise it to $207,500. I request
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> we add 20 minutes to the December meeting agenda for a
> motion to make a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> payment on the principal on our office mortgage.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The mortgage's loan rate is 4.85% with a balloon payment at
> ten
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> years, which is in July 24, 2024. Robert was kind enough to
> furnish the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> attached load amortization spreadsheet. I ran five scenarios
> on it to get
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the amount of interest we will pay from December 2016 to
> when the balloon
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> payment is due, and to get the amount of the balloon payment
> that will be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> due at that time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Without any more prepayments (not paying an extra $60,000 on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> odd-numbered years):
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Interest: $139,400.40
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Balloon payment due 7/24/2024: $301,040.34
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> With the current policy of paying an extra $60,000 on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> odd-numbered years:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Interest: $84,900.77
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Balloon payment due 7/24/2024: $6,540.71
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Paying an additional $207,500 in the December payment, and
> not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> paying extra in future years:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Interest: $45,751.59
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Balloon payment due 7/24/2024: $0.00
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Paying an additional $150,00 in the December payment, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> paying an extra $60,000 on odd-numbered years:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Interest: $32,805.22
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mortgage gets paid off July 2021.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Paying an additional $207,500 in the December payment, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> paying an extra $60,000 on odd-numbered years:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Interest: $19,879.20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mortgage gets paid off May 2020.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As you can see, paying $207,500 in December will eliminate
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> having a balloon payment in 2024 and will save at least $39k
> in interest. If
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> we keep the Weiner rule, it will save $65k in interest and
> have the mortgage
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> paid off four years early. The targeted Reserve is the sum
> of all monthly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> occupancy, labor and governance expenses, which comes to
> $45,292. At the end
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of October, the reserve was at $415,669, so I am comfortable
> with paying
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> $207,500, even if next year's budget has a large deficit. We
> will have new
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> reserve number before the meeting.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The trust from a bequest has $167,404. We have been taking
> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> maximum allowable amount out each year for the general fund.
> A law passed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> December 2014 now allows national political committees to
> have a separate
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> segregated building fund with its own contribution limit of
> three times the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> limit for the general fund. We have not done this before,
> because we needed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the bequest for the general fund, but we can transfer up to
> $100,200 from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the bequest to the building fund and use those funds toward
> making a payment
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> on the mortgage principal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My preference is to pay at least $207,500 toward the mortgage
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> principal to save on interest payments and to ensure no
> balloon payment. If
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> that passes, then I would favor reducing the policy to
> budget an extra $60k
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> on odd years.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Hagan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 8:11 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Lnc-business] Added Mortgage Payment
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I intend to make a motion at our next meeting to spend a good
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> portion of our 2016 surplus to make a payment on the
> principal on our office
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> mortgage.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not knowing our final numbers at this time lends some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> uncertainty to that number, but I would like to start the
> bidding at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> $150,000.  That amount ought to leave us in a very favorable
> position as to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> our ongoing reserve for unforeseen expenses over the next
> few years.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone want to offer a lower/higher amount?  If so, what
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> is your reasoning.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Live Free,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Member at Large
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
> Wyoming,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> (Alaska,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington) -
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> (Alaska,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington) -
> >>>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
> >>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> >>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington) -
> >>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
> >>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> >>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington) -
> >>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> In Liberty,
> >>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> >>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington) -
> >>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> In Liberty,
> >>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> >>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington) -
> >>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> In Liberty,
> >>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> >>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington) -
> >>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> In Liberty,
> >>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> >>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington) -
> >>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> In Liberty,
> >>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> >>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington) -
> >>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> >>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> In Liberty,
> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
> Arizona,
> >>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
> Caryn.Ann.
> >>> Harlos at LP.org
> >>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> >>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Lnc-business mailing list
> >>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org <javascript:;>
> >>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Lnc-business mailing list
> >> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org <javascript:;>
> >> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > In Liberty,
> > Caryn Ann Harlos
> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
> Caryn.Ann.
> > Harlos at LP.org
> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Lnc-business mailing list
> > Lnc-business at hq.lp.org <javascript:;>
> > http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org <javascript:;>
> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>

-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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