[Lnc-business] Added Mortgage Payment

Tue Nov 29 15:00:36 EST 2016

We are suing the Federal government over the limitations on how much
we can take from a bequest in a particular year.  One of their
arguments is that we could take more if we put it into their special
segregated accounts (building, convention, and legal); we have argued
that we want it for operating funds to do political work, not to put
it in a special bucket.

-Nick

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
> Details? I know tangentially what you mean but not fully.
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2016, Nicholas Sarwark <chair at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Drawing money from the current bequest into any account other than the
>> operating account may have a negative impact on pending Federal
>> litigation.
>>
>> -Nick
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > My suggestion though would require paying the 105K (approx) during one
>> > year
>> > (this one most likely) and then having the re-set for what we can draw
>> > from
>> > the bequest next year.
>> >
>> > Basically I am suggesting taking full advantage of what we can get from
>> > the
>> > bequest to put towards this.
>> >
>> > This would seem to satisfy a lot of issues.
>> >
>> > Again, not saying I support but it is an alternative I thought about. It
>> > seems (?) everyone is in agreement on the make-up we need to do from the
>> > 2015 shortfall.  And it seems like there might (?) be agreement on the
>> > 105K
>> > from the bequest.
>> >
>> > --
>> > In Liberty,
>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> > Arizona,
>> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>> > Caryn.Ann.
>> > Harlos at LP.org
>> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Joshua Katz
>> > <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I have been a dissenting voice as well.  I am inclined to be positive
>> >> towards this suggestion, but I don't want to commit myself without more
>> >> time
>> >> to think.  However, I stand by my desire to take it up after the
>> >> budget, at
>> >> which point it is possible I'd favor a larger amount than this.
>> >>
>> >> Joshua A. Katz
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Ken, I have been doing some thinking, and while I am not saying I
>> >>> support
>> >>> what I am about to say, I don't oppose it, and IF there is some
>> >>> compromise
>> >>> position (though with all due respect - when you say to satisfy the
>> >>> desires
>> >>> of some LNC members - you so far have been the only dissenting voice
>> >>> and are
>> >>> an alternate - we do not yet know what your regional representative
>> >>> thinks
>> >>> on the issue), using round numbers, this one:
>> >>>
>> >>> We shorted 2015 by about 40K.
>> >>> We have about 105K that we can take from the bequest that would not
>> >>> otherwise be accessible.
>> >>>
>> >>> That puts us at roughly 145K which would be satisfying our prior
>> >>> obligation AND accessing money that is not coming from any other line
>> >>> item
>> >>> next year (thus not shorting any other project).
>> >>>
>> >>> So we were proposing paying another 55K.  If we did that, we could not
>> >>> make any further Wiener rule payments and still pay off early with no
>> >>> balloon.
>> >>>
>> >>> We could allot this 55K, not as an extra "payment" but as the 2017
>> >>> Wiener
>> >>> rule payment which we *already have to pay* if we are going to be
>> >>> compliant.
>> >>> And we would be making an extra payment this year - only it is coming
>> >>> out of
>> >>> the bequest.
>> >>> So that is a 205K payment in 2017 which does not take away from
>> >>> anything
>> >>> else in extra payment.  And we would still be committed to the Wiener
>> >>> rule
>> >>> payment in 2019.
>> >>>
>> >>> This is basically getting back to Sam's original proposal of $150K.
>> >>> That
>> >>> is the minimum I would accept in light of this information.  We are
>> >>> obligation to do a 60K payment in 2017 - what is at issue is whether
>> >>> we do
>> >>> an "additional" 60K payment.  But we could even perhaps do that -
>> >>> depending
>> >>> on how the bequest rules are- we could make the 105K building fund
>> >>> this year
>> >>> and exhaust the Bequest in the next year and use that generous donor's
>> >>> money
>> >>> to get us more quickly out of this.  AND still fund-raise to make
>> >>> additional
>> >>> payments.
>> >>>
>> >>> And this does not keep us from having funds for other projects.
>> >>>
>> >>> I am not saying this is what I support but this is a reasonable path.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> In Liberty,
>> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> >>> Arizona,
>> >>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>> >>> Caryn.Ann.
>> >>> Harlos at LP.org
>> >>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> >>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 9:25 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If people were looking for that amortization worksheet Daniel Wiener
>> >>>> referenced, I dug it out of the LNC archives and attach it here.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> In Liberty,
>> >>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> >>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> >>>> Washington) -
>> >>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> >>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> >>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 8:02 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I have stated my position.  And assuming no earth-shattering new
>> >>>>> information or argument, how I intend to vote.  Rationale already
>> >>>>> given.  I
>> >>>>> have other motions and items that require my present attention.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Monday, November 28, 2016, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Our Policy Manual also encourages specific fundraising for that
>> >>>>>> purpose, in the same section that creates the minimums and creates
>> >>>>>> priority.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> "It shall be the goal of the LNC to completely pay off the office
>> >>>>>> mortgage as quickly as possible, and in any case prior to the due
>> >>>>>> date of
>> >>>>>> the 10-year balloon payment. Towards that end the LNC shall budget
>> >>>>>> a minimum
>> >>>>>> of $60,000 in each odd-numbered year to pay down the principal
>> >>>>>> until the
>> >>>>>> mortgage balance is zero. Fundraising for this specific purpose
>> >>>>>> shall be
>> >>>>>> made a high priority. This provision does not preclude additional
>> >>>>>> fundraising and prepayments in even-numbered years. " (emphasis
>> >>>>>> added)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The Policy Manual specifically requires that we give high priority
>> >>>>>> to
>> >>>>>> raising money specifically to pay off the building.  Have we done
>> >>>>>> so this
>> >>>>>> year? Do we have a plan to do so next year?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The particular section specifically mentions specific fundraising
>> >>>>>> twice. While I think it is a reasonable assumption, based on the
>> >>>>>> wording in
>> >>>>>> the manual, that a 1-for-1 match would be sufficient, I proposed a
>> >>>>>> 2-for-1
>> >>>>>> because I do think it's important to pay down the mortgage and felt
>> >>>>>> it might
>> >>>>>> be an acceptable compromise.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> If we can create some priority - staff should exist - then we've
>> >>>>>> already established that there's a balance to be struck.  With that
>> >>>>>> established, I believe that we can best comply with the Policy
>> >>>>>> Manual and
>> >>>>>> with the desires of multiple LNC members by having the 2-for-1
>> >>>>>> matching
>> >>>>>> scenario.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> And if the membership wants this to be a high-priority project,
>> >>>>>> then
>> >>>>>> certainly they would put their money specifically toward that
>> >>>>>> effort, would
>> >>>>>> they not?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> ---
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>> >>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>> >>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 2016-11-28 09:10, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> No it doesn't.  We have the 100K from the bequest that isn't part
>> >>>>>> of
>> >>>>>> our fundraising windfall.  We have the deficit from the last
>> >>>>>> payment to
>> >>>>>> catch up- putting us st around 150K.  Our policy manual - urges us-
>> >>>>>> on our
>> >>>>>> own- to get ahead.  Putting the extra amount ahead is what is
>> >>>>>> reasonable and
>> >>>>>> what I will be supporting.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> No one has suggested there is not money for other things and this
>> >>>>>> insures saved money for other things.  We can do a fundraiser next
>> >>>>>> year with
>> >>>>>> our fiscally responsible choice in Dec as a selling point
>> >>>>>> centerpiece.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> In Liberty,
>> >>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> >>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> >>>>>> Washington) -
>> >>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> >>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> >>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> In Liberty,
>> >>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> >>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> >>>>>> Washington) -
>> >>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> >>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> >>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Monday, November 28, 2016, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I guess it depends on who your target audience is.  When I walk
>> >>>>>>> into
>> >>>>>>> a shop and their IT infrastructure is a decade old, my immediate
>> >>>>>>> thought is
>> >>>>>>> that the company doesn't have their priorities in order.
>> >>>>>>> Certainly, I'm
>> >>>>>>> biased in that regard.  Smaller manufacturing businesses are
>> >>>>>>> notorious from
>> >>>>>>> being way out of date.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> The Democratic Party provides websites for their candidates for a
>> >>>>>>> nominal fee. Why?  Because that way campaigns can focus on issues
>> >>>>>>> and real
>> >>>>>>> politicking, not spending excessive amounts of time on back-office
>> >>>>>>> work.
>> >>>>>>> They're out knocking on doors and building their base.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> The Republican Party, through the Kochs, is building a massive
>> >>>>>>> database of voters for their Big Data project. Why?  Because that
>> >>>>>>> way they
>> >>>>>>> know what issues drive voters. They can micro-target messaging,
>> >>>>>>> making their
>> >>>>>>> outreach and GOTV more efficient.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> The Libertarian Party currently has a mailing list that sends
>> >>>>>>> everything to a Google list so that people can subscribe to the
>> >>>>>>> Google list
>> >>>>>>> to watch.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> If we are to appeal to the Millenial generation, we can't be
>> >>>>>>> running
>> >>>>>>> on a 286 in a basement.  Once upon a time, the LP was ahead of the
>> >>>>>>> game when
>> >>>>>>> it came to technology.  We have stagnated and let our competition
>> >>>>>>> overtake
>> >>>>>>> us. If our primary political opponents are crushing us on the
>> >>>>>>> phones and at
>> >>>>>>> the door, how do we ever expect to win?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> When I became chair of LPKY in 2007, we had no IT infrastructure.
>> >>>>>>> We
>> >>>>>>> had a website that was put in place by the previous chair, that
>> >>>>>>> cost too
>> >>>>>>> much money, was poorly organized, and didn't do the job.
>> >>>>>>> Thankfully, the
>> >>>>>>> situation isn't exactly parallel - while there are problems, we
>> >>>>>>> don't have
>> >>>>>>> to start over from scratch. But it will take time and investment
>> >>>>>>> to get the
>> >>>>>>> website to where it needs to be. That will happen.  Likewise,
>> >>>>>>> other parts of
>> >>>>>>> our operation need to have similar focus.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I'm all about paying down debt. I absolutely love it,
>> >>>>>>> conceptually. I
>> >>>>>>> just don't want to see us cripple the party in 2017 in order to
>> >>>>>>> achieve the
>> >>>>>>> goal of paying off that debt.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> So here's what I'd propose, if we want to put over $200K toward
>> >>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>> mortgage. Let's do a 2-for-1 donation match. We put $60K in the
>> >>>>>>> budget, as
>> >>>>>>> required. Subtracted from the proposed $207,500, that leaves
>> >>>>>>> $147,500. For
>> >>>>>>> ease of numbers, let's round that up to $50,000.  So, if we can
>> >>>>>>> raise
>> >>>>>>> $50,000 specifically for paying off the building, we will put
>> >>>>>>> $100,000 as
>> >>>>>>> the match.  Let's let our membership determine the projects on
>> >>>>>>> which they
>> >>>>>>> want us to spend the money.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Does that seem reasonable?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> ---
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>> >>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>> >>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On 2016-11-28 08:31, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I would further note- if we make this payment now and make NO
>> >>>>>>> additional payments (which I do not support) because the 60k is
>> >>>>>>> needed next
>> >>>>>>> year (odd numbered year) - we will have freed future Libertarians
>> >>>>>>> from the
>> >>>>>>> balloon payment AND an amount in interest that would pay a good
>> >>>>>>> chunk of a
>> >>>>>>> ballot access drive.  In every scenario, this is the right choice.
>> >>>>>>> And we
>> >>>>>>> would have only two more policy manual extra payments - 2017 and
>> >>>>>>> 2019- and
>> >>>>>>> the mortgage would be paid in full just by the 2020 election- a
>> >>>>>>> fantastic
>> >>>>>>> example for others.  We will have set up the next LNC for success.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> And our fiscal responsibility can be used in our new member
>> >>>>>>> retention
>> >>>>>>> program as they can trust we are wise with funds.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>> In Liberty,
>> >>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> >>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> >>>>>>> Washington) -
>> >>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> >>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> >>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Monday, November 28, 2016, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>>>>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> There is no proposal to spend "all" of the discretionary monies.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> And Hagan pointed out this is a way we can have access to the
>> >>>>>>>> bulk
>> >>>>>>>> of a bequest that the donor certainly wished we had access to.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> The bequest money isn't available in that amount now for this OR
>> >>>>>>>> that.  It is available for this.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Hagan's last option is the most prudent and responsible and does
>> >>>>>>>> not
>> >>>>>>>> require anything like an "all" scenario and doesn't burden the
>> >>>>>>>> next decade
>> >>>>>>>> of Libertarians with interest that the policy manual urged us to
>> >>>>>>>> avoid in
>> >>>>>>>> making more than the 60K extra- and here with the bequest we have
>> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>> opportunity to access over 100K and have an unexpected windfall
>> >>>>>>>> in new
>> >>>>>>>> members.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> If any other priority is given as well - new member retention
>> >>>>>>>> must
>> >>>>>>>> be up there as mentioned in emails leading up to the Sept
>> >>>>>>>> meeting.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> As for the website - well members were told that in 2006 too, and
>> >>>>>>>> that data is still waiting.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>> >>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> >>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> >>>>>>>> Washington) -
>> >>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> >>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> >>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, November 28, 2016, Ken Moellman
>> >>>>>>>> <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> My goal isn't to pull something over on people.  If nothing
>> >>>>>>>>> else,
>> >>>>>>>>> know that I am open with my personal thoughts on matters -- as
>> >>>>>>>>> you may have
>> >>>>>>>>> noticed -- and I'm not trying to hide anything. I'm a
>> >>>>>>>>> Libertarian; I don't
>> >>>>>>>>> believe in using force or fraud.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> There are other IT issues beyond the website that I dare not
>> >>>>>>>>> mention on a public list; things that range from embarrassing to
>> >>>>>>>>> disabling.
>> >>>>>>>>> I'll be more than happy to discuss these issues in person in
>> >>>>>>>>> December.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> The new IT committee is taking over from a previous committee
>> >>>>>>>>> with
>> >>>>>>>>> an entirely different personnel makeup.  The new IT Committee,
>> >>>>>>>>> such as it
>> >>>>>>>>> exists at the moment, is far from ignoring the calls for repairs
>> >>>>>>>>> and changes
>> >>>>>>>>> to the website. This is a priority of everyone involved.  This
>> >>>>>>>>> is currently
>> >>>>>>>>> being done under staff direction, and they are working on it.
>> >>>>>>>>> The website
>> >>>>>>>>> continues to be populated with important information, and will
>> >>>>>>>>> continue to
>> >>>>>>>>> evolve and have more information added/returned, in addition to
>> >>>>>>>>> other
>> >>>>>>>>> important website changes. (Ironically, I was trying to find out
>> >>>>>>>>> exactly
>> >>>>>>>>> when the building was purchased and couldn't because that
>> >>>>>>>>> information wasn't
>> >>>>>>>>> brought over. Heh.)  In sum, the website will get fixed to the
>> >>>>>>>>> best of our
>> >>>>>>>>> ability.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> But if all the discretionary income gets spent on the mortgage
>> >>>>>>>>> (which is not the worst way to spend it) then there won't be an
>> >>>>>>>>> opportunity
>> >>>>>>>>> to get other fixes in place.  And that's just IT.  I know there
>> >>>>>>>>> are Ballot
>> >>>>>>>>> Access drives in our future in 2017 - Arkansas and Ohio,
>> >>>>>>>>> specifically - and
>> >>>>>>>>> those won't be cheap.  Arkansas will be about $37,500 and Ohio
>> >>>>>>>>> will be about
>> >>>>>>>>> $255,000, based on 2016 validity rates and assuming no volunteer
>> >>>>>>>>> signatures
>> >>>>>>>>> or other sources of funding (which there will be, of course).
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> In my opinion, we need to really leverage 2016 to get a
>> >>>>>>>>> record-breaking amount of fundraising in the "after-year".
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> ---
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>> >>>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>> >>>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On 2016-11-27 23:26, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Now that wasn't the entirety of my argument, but I am not
>> >>>>>>>>> getting
>> >>>>>>>>> into another LNC spitting match.  Interested members and readers
>> >>>>>>>>> can go
>> >>>>>>>>> through my comments and see what I said- the policy manual was a
>> >>>>>>>>> big part,
>> >>>>>>>>> but a part and not the entirety.  It is indeed less out of date
>> >>>>>>>>> then than
>> >>>>>>>>> now.  And something obviously know as the passage of time and
>> >>>>>>>>> aging is a
>> >>>>>>>>> known quantity.  As is debt and interest, something Libertarians
>> >>>>>>>>> are
>> >>>>>>>>> supposed to model fiscal responsibilities for.  And having not
>> >>>>>>>>> transferred
>> >>>>>>>>> 83% of our data certainly will look to our members like throwing
>> >>>>>>>>> good money
>> >>>>>>>>> after bad.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> This is selling the members a bill of goods.  Just like they are
>> >>>>>>>>> suspecting on the website data loss.  We have not inspired
>> >>>>>>>>> confidence, and I
>> >>>>>>>>> am not about to vote to further sell our word down the river.
>> >>>>>>>>> The
>> >>>>>>>>> ludicruousness of the proposition that a reading would mean to
>> >>>>>>>>> fire staff if
>> >>>>>>>>> my reading that surpluses need to be given priority there is as
>> >>>>>>>>> self-evident
>> >>>>>>>>> to me as the idea that we also do not need to sell ourselves
>> >>>>>>>>> into slavery as
>> >>>>>>>>> committee persons.  If it is not self-evident, then the sky is a
>> >>>>>>>>> different
>> >>>>>>>>> colour in my world.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> With the data loss (more accurately lack of transfer - and there
>> >>>>>>>>> is
>> >>>>>>>>> still a folfer of files from the 2006 site that were supposed to
>> >>>>>>>>> be restored
>> >>>>>>>>> and not) and what I and enough others see as mismanagement of
>> >>>>>>>>> the website
>> >>>>>>>>> transfer, if I were an affiliate, I would not be entrusting my
>> >>>>>>>>> affiliate's
>> >>>>>>>>> email to a natonal-provided service.  Let's get the website
>> >>>>>>>>> straightened out
>> >>>>>>>>> and then perhaps other investments will be in order.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> And certainly that is not a bigger priority than already
>> >>>>>>>>> incurred
>> >>>>>>>>> debt.  There is ALWAYS something great to spend money on.  We
>> >>>>>>>>> are selling
>> >>>>>>>>> the efforts of future Libertarians just like our country is
>> >>>>>>>>> selling the
>> >>>>>>>>> future of today's children.  No.  I will not do that.  If we
>> >>>>>>>>> can't elimiante
>> >>>>>>>>> our own debt we have zero business thinking we can tell others
>> >>>>>>>>> that is how
>> >>>>>>>>> they have to live.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>> >>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> >>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> >>>>>>>>> Washington) -
>> >>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> >>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> >>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Ken Moellman
>> >>>>>>>>> <ken.moellman at lpky.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> My contention is that there may be other priorities upon which
>> >>>>>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>>>>> portion of the proposed $207,500 spending on the office
>> >>>>>>>>>> mortgage should be
>> >>>>>>>>>> spent. I included the examples of Ballot Access and IT
>> >>>>>>>>>> Infrastructure.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Your contention is that the priority must be given to the
>> >>>>>>>>>> paying
>> >>>>>>>>>> off of the mortgage, because the Policy Manual says so.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> The Policy Manual states in Section 2.03.17:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> "It shall be the goal of the LNC to completely pay off the
>> >>>>>>>>>> office
>> >>>>>>>>>> mortgage as quickly as possible, and in any case prior to the
>> >>>>>>>>>> due date of
>> >>>>>>>>>> the 10-year balloon payment. Towards that end the LNC shall
>> >>>>>>>>>> budget a minimum
>> >>>>>>>>>> of $60,000 in each odd-numbered year to pay down the principal
>> >>>>>>>>>> until the
>> >>>>>>>>>> mortgage balance is zero. Fundraising for this specific purpose
>> >>>>>>>>>> shall be
>> >>>>>>>>>> made a high priority. This provision does not preclude
>> >>>>>>>>>> additional
>> >>>>>>>>>> fundraising and prepayments in even-numbered years. "
>> >>>>>>>>>> (emphasis added)
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> The portion of the policy manual highlighted above seems to be
>> >>>>>>>>>> that to which you reference when you made your statement.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Additionally, you state that you are unwilling to give higher
>> >>>>>>>>>> priority to the IT Infrastructure, stating that the
>> >>>>>>>>>> infrastructure was a
>> >>>>>>>>>> decade old when the building was purchased.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> First, the infrastructure was less out-of-date than it is now.
>> >>>>>>>>>> It
>> >>>>>>>>>> continues to get further and further out of date.  We continue
>> >>>>>>>>>> to use hacks
>> >>>>>>>>>> and other non-standard practices to accomplish goals with the
>> >>>>>>>>>> existing
>> >>>>>>>>>> infrastructure, rather than upgrade.  There is a real cost to
>> >>>>>>>>>> this.
>> >>>>>>>>>> LPedia's decay is an easy example of what happens when things
>> >>>>>>>>>> don't get
>> >>>>>>>>>> upgraded - upgrading MediaWiki to a newer version is incredibly
>> >>>>>>>>>> painful at
>> >>>>>>>>>> this point.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Second, IT infrastructure upgrades would actually make staff
>> >>>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>> affiliate parties more productive. Imagine if LP National
>> >>>>>>>>>> could, as part of
>> >>>>>>>>>> a broader upgrade, provide basic services to affiliate parties
>> >>>>>>>>>> such as email
>> >>>>>>>>>> services. Instead of 52 organizations all trying to figure out
>> >>>>>>>>>> how to manage
>> >>>>>>>>>> email, we could upgrade National's email infrastructure and
>> >>>>>>>>>> provide email
>> >>>>>>>>>> services to all 51 affiliates.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Third, there are real security issues that do need to be
>> >>>>>>>>>> addressed.  There are security patches released almost every
>> >>>>>>>>>> single day.
>> >>>>>>>>>> We're approximately 3000 days behind on security patches on a
>> >>>>>>>>>> few pieces of
>> >>>>>>>>>> our infrastructure.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Now, if we are to forgo some projects with clear benefits, like
>> >>>>>>>>>> IT
>> >>>>>>>>>> Infrastructure improvements, because the Policy Manual tells us
>> >>>>>>>>>> we must pay
>> >>>>>>>>>> down the mortgage before all other things, then what is
>> >>>>>>>>>> ludicrous with
>> >>>>>>>>>> suggesting using the staff budget for further paying down the
>> >>>>>>>>>> mortgage?
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Certainly, I think it's a bad idea.  But I also think foregoing
>> >>>>>>>>>> other important tasks in favor of paying down the mortgage is
>> >>>>>>>>>> also a bad
>> >>>>>>>>>> idea.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> That's just my $0.02 on the matter.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> ---
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>> >>>>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>> >>>>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2016-11-27 22:35, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> No frankly that is a ludicrous interpretation. And paying any
>> >>>>>>>>>> more
>> >>>>>>>>>> interest that we have to in member money (OPM) is even moreso.
>> >>>>>>>>>> This is why
>> >>>>>>>>>> members view this body with distrust.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>> >>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> >>>>>>>>>> (Alaska,
>> >>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> >>>>>>>>>> Washington) -
>> >>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> >>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> >>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Ken Moellman
>> >>>>>>>>>> <ken.moellman at lpky.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm just pointing out that there are other items that also
>> >>>>>>>>>>> need
>> >>>>>>>>>>> attention.  As an alternate, I probably won't get a vote
>> >>>>>>>>>>> anyway.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> If we are to take the strictest interpretation of 2.03.17, we
>> >>>>>>>>>>> should lay off all of the staff and put their salaries toward
>> >>>>>>>>>>> the building
>> >>>>>>>>>>> debt as well. However, I would suggest that doing so would be
>> >>>>>>>>>>> a foolish
>> >>>>>>>>>>> approach.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Putting off IT infrastructure upgrades is only going to make
>> >>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> inevitable more painful in the long-term.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> ---
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>> >>>>>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-11-27 22:06, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Further the bequest rules make it a no-brainer in my view.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> >>>>>>>>>>> (Alaska,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Washington) -
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:04 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>>>>>>>>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ken, while I appreciate that, our Policy Manual puts the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> building pay-off as a priority.  We can always find an excuse
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to put that
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> off.  I will not.  If we are going to expect our government
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to follow
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> commitments and shed debt, we must.  The IT infrastructure
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> that exists -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> existed at the same time we got the mortgage.  We sold the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> idea of the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mortgage to members on a certain committement and vision, and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I fully intend
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to keep it.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (Alaska,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Washington) -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:45 PM, Ken Moellman
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <ken.moellman at lpky.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> All -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> While paying off the building faster is a great goal, we may
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> have other priorities.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Specifically, we have 12 states without ballot access at
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> time, and we have an IT infrastructure that's from the last
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> century -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> literally.  These things will take money to remedy.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Just something to keep in mind.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-11-27 19:42, David Demarest wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Your plan sets a good example of fiscal responsibility for
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarians. I also support your higher amount.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The War on Compulsory Authoritarian Majority Rule Cronyism
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Begins Now
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org]
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 4:33 PM
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com>; Libertarian National
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Committee list <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Added Mortgage Payment
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That sounds like the smart plan.  Future Libertarians will
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> thank us.  I support your higher amount.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wyoming,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Tim Hagan
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I will call your $150,000 and raise it to $207,500. I
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> request
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> we add 20 minutes to the December meeting agenda for a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> motion to make a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> payment on the principal on our office mortgage.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The mortgage's loan rate is 4.85% with a balloon payment at
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ten
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> years, which is in July 24, 2024. Robert was kind enough to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> furnish the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> attached load amortization spreadsheet. I ran five scenarios
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> on it to get
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the amount of interest we will pay from December 2016 to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> when the balloon
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> payment is due, and to get the amount of the balloon payment
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> that will be
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> due at that time.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Without any more prepayments (not paying an extra $60,000 on
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> odd-numbered years):
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Interest: $139,400.40
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Balloon payment due 7/24/2024: $301,040.34
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> With the current policy of paying an extra $60,000 on
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> odd-numbered years:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Interest: $84,900.77
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Balloon payment due 7/24/2024: $6,540.71
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Paying an additional $207,500 in the December payment, and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> paying extra in future years:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Interest: $45,751.59
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Balloon payment due 7/24/2024: $0.00
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Paying an additional $150,00 in the December payment, and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> paying an extra $60,000 on odd-numbered years:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Interest: $32,805.22
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mortgage gets paid off July 2021.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Paying an additional $207,500 in the December payment, and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> paying an extra $60,000 on odd-numbered years:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Interest: $19,879.20
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mortgage gets paid off May 2020.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As you can see, paying $207,500 in December will eliminate
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> having a balloon payment in 2024 and will save at least $39k
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in interest. If
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> we keep the Weiner rule, it will save $65k in interest and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> have the mortgage
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> paid off four years early. The targeted Reserve is the sum
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of all monthly
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> occupancy, labor and governance expenses, which comes to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> $45,292. At the end
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of October, the reserve was at $415,669, so I am comfortable
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> with paying
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> $207,500, even if next year's budget has a large deficit. We
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> will have new
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> reserve number before the meeting.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The trust from a bequest has $167,404. We have been taking
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> maximum allowable amount out each year for the general fund.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A law passed
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> December 2014 now allows national political committees to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> have a separate
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> segregated building fund with its own contribution limit of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> three times the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> limit for the general fund. We have not done this before,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> because we needed
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the bequest for the general fund, but we can transfer up to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> $100,200 from
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the bequest to the building fund and use those funds toward
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> making a payment
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> on the mortgage principal.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My preference is to pay at least $207,500 toward the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> mortgage
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> principal to save on interest payments and to ensure no
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> balloon payment. If
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> that passes, then I would favor reducing the policy to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> budget an extra $60k
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> on odd years.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Hagan
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 8:11 AM
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Lnc-business] Added Mortgage Payment
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I intend to make a motion at our next meeting to spend a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> portion of our 2016 surplus to make a payment on the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> principal on our office
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> mortgage.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not knowing our final numbers at this time lends some
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> uncertainty to that number, but I would like to start the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> bidding at
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> $150,000.  That amount ought to leave us in a very favorable
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> position as to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> our ongoing reserve for unforeseen expenses over the next
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> few years.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone want to offer a lower/higher amount?  If so,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> is your reasoning.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Live Free,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Member at Large
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wyoming,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (Alaska,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Washington) -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> >>>>>>>>>>> (Alaska,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Washington) -
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>> >>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> >>>>>>>>>> (Alaska,
>> >>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> >>>>>>>>>> Washington) -
>> >>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> >>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> >>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>> >>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> >>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> >>>>>>>>> Washington) -
>> >>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> >>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> >>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>> >>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> >>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> >>>>>>>> Washington) -
>> >>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> >>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> >>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>> In Liberty,
>> >>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> >>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> >>>>>>> Washington) -
>> >>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> >>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> >>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> In Liberty,
>> >>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> >>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> >>>>>> Washington) -
>> >>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> >>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> >>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> In Liberty,
>> >>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> >>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> >>>>> Washington) -
>> >>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> >>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> >>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> In Liberty,
>> >>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> >>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> >>>> Washington) -
>> >>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> >>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> >>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> In Liberty,
>> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> >>> Arizona,
>> >>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>> >>> Caryn.Ann.
>> >>> Harlos at LP.org
>> >>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> >>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Lnc-business mailing list
>> >>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> >>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Lnc-business mailing list
>> >> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> >> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > In Liberty,
>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> > Arizona,
>> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>> > Caryn.Ann.
>> > Harlos at LP.org
>> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Lnc-business mailing list
>> > Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> > http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>
>
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>