[Lnc-business] Chair's Proposed Agenda - LNC Meeting December 10-11, 2016

Fri Dec 2 06:25:37 EST 2016

Joshua,

Thank you for your explanation of hypothetical LNC messaging issues that
could be addressed by a messaging committee. Can you be more specific on any
actual current messaging issues that would necessitate the creation of a
committee as opposed to LNC proper dealing with messaging issues directly as
they come up?

If there are no current LNC messaging issues, I suggest that the LNC proper
deal with the next actual messaging concern. If we are unable to
satisfactorily resolve the concern, then we can consider your messaging
committee suggestion. Why create a committee for a problem that may not
exist? If there is no immediate LNC messaging concern, is the real intent to
influence the direction of LNC messaging without the direct involvement of
the LNC?

Thoughts?

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Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE

~David Pratt Demarest

Region 6 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND,
NE, WI)

Secretary, Nebraska Libertarian State Central Committee

Secretary Pro Tem, LNC Affiliate Support Committee

Board Member and Nebraska State Coordinator, LP Radical Caucus

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From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of
Starchild
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 9:18 AM
To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Chair's Proposed Agenda - LNC Meeting December
10-11, 2016

            All of that makes sense to me, Joshua. 

Love & Liberty,

                                    ((( starchild )))

At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee

                                  (415) 625-FREE

                                    @StarchildSF

On Dec 1, 2016, at 7:00 AM, Joshua Katz wrote:

Thanks for asking.  Short answer:  I envision the committee making a
recommendation to the LNC.  I agree with my colleague from Colorado that a
comprehensive messaging strategy is a board-level decision, but I often
think board-level decisions can be aided by asking a small committee to do
research and report, with the decision reserved to the board.

There was also a question about my intent.  This is my second term, in some
capacity, on the LNC.  It's also my second term on the APRC.  Based on that
small degree of experience, it seems to me that the LNC has, to a large
extent, not taken all that much of a position on questions like "how do we
wish to present ourselves to the world?"  Instead, we've left it to staff
with no real direction, and then occasionally said "you're doing it wrong."
I think it is better to provide overall guidance and instructions, followed
by accountability, rather than trying to exercise governance by looking at
progress on a daily basis.  

I'd like us to be able to ask questions on a quarterly basis like "Are our
communications presenting the party as we've instructed?" "Has there been an
impact on X?" "Do we need to adjust our strategy?"  I think this would be
better than periodically freaking out over a FB meme or an urgent-gram.  

Direct, assess, hold accountable.  Have a core idea of how we'd like to be
presented that is known ahead of time, not arising from rejections.  This
would enable this board to focus on large objectives.  When we do not have
such things in place, the tendency is to micro-manage, because that becomes
the only way we can exert control.

Joshua A. Katz

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net
<mailto:sfdreamer at earthlink.net> > wrote:

Actually I meant the net content after your suggested amendment David, if
you were being serious about that. 

But now that you mention it, I'm not super clear on what Joshua had in mind
for a hypothetical messaging strategy committee to do either. Would you
envision this committee having any powers beyond recommending a messaging
strategy to the LNC, Joshua? If not, I guess I wouldn't have a problem with
appointing some people to brainstorm on the subject, so long as they
operated transparently and allowed LP members to participate in their
conversations.

Love & Liberty,

                                     ((( starchild )))

At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee

                                  (415) 625-FREE

                                    @StarchildSF

On Dec 1, 2016, at 6:10 AM, David Demarest wrote:

Ditto Starchild on the content, and, just as important, the intent.

Thoughts?

Libertarianism - Leader Humility, Transparancy, Principle Before Party

~David Pratt Demarest

Region 6 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND,
NE, WI)

From: Starchild [mailto:sfdreamer at earthlink.net
<mailto:sfdreamer at earthlink.net> ] 
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 7:33 AM
To: David Demarest <dpdemarest at centurylink.net
<mailto:dpdemarest at centurylink.net> >
Cc: lnc-business at hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org> ;
david.demarest at firstdata.com <mailto:david.demarest at firstdata.com> ; 'Caryn
Ann Harlos' <carynannharlos at gmail.com <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com> >;
'Joshua Katz' <planning4liberty at gmail.com
<mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Chair's Proposed Agenda - LNC Meeting December
10-11, 2016

            I'm not sure I understand the net content of what's being
proposed.

Love & Liberty,

                                     ((( starchild )))

At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee

                                  (415) 625-FREE

                                    @StarchildSF

On Dec 1, 2016, at 4:03 AM, David Demarest wrote:

Starchild, I echo your "more serious note" thought. I would suggest amending
the phrase as follows: "transparency messaging strategy".

Thoughts?

Libertarianism - Leader Humility, Transparancy, Principle Before Party

Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE

~David Pratt Demarest

Region 6 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND,
NE, WI)

Secretary, Nebraska Libertarian State Central Committee

Secretary Pro Tem, LNC Affiliate Support Committee

Board Member and Nebraska State Coordinator, LP Radical Caucus

Cell:      402-981-6469 <tel:(402)%20981-6469> 

Home: 402-493-0873 <tel:(402)%20493-0873> 

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From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of
Starchild
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 4:59 AM
To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org> 
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Chair's Proposed Agenda - LNC Meeting December
10-11, 2016

            It may be a committee of one, but that won't necessarily stop it
from expanding if it consumes a lot of BBQ meat at the LNC meeting.   :-)

            On a more serious note - what Caryn Ann said about messaging
strategy. 

Love & Liberty,

                                  ((( starchild )))

At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee

                                (415) 625-FREE

                                  @StarchildSF

On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:

Mr Hayes is clearly jealous that he does not get his own committee.

Sam (Committee of one)

Sam Goldstein

Libertarian National Committee

Member at Large

8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101

Indianapolis IN 46260

317-850-0726 <tel:(317)%20850-0726>  Phone

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On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com
<mailto:danielehayes at icloud.com> > wrote:

I must object. The Sam Committee is clearly out of order!

Daniel Hayes

LNChili At Large Member

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:53 PM, David Demarest <dpdemarest at centurylink.net
<mailto:dpdemarest at centurylink.net> > wrote:

Caryn Ann, I will cosponsor your Sam Committee proposal - :)

Thoughts?

Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE!

~David Pratt Demarest

From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of
Caryn Ann Harlos
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:08 PM
To: Libertarian National Committee list <lnc-business at hq.lp.org
<mailto:lnc-business at hq.lp.org> >
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Chair's Proposed Agenda - LNC Meeting December
10-11, 2016

I am seeking to propose the Sam Committee.  

-- 

In Liberty,

Caryn Ann Harlos

Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <mailto:Harlos at LP.org> 

Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/> 

Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/> 

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com
<mailto:goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> > wrote:

If you guys keep proposing new committees we might have to expand

the LNC just to fill all of them.

Sam

Sam Goldstein

Libertarian National Committee

Member at Large

8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101

Indianapolis IN 46260

317-850-0726 <tel:(317)%20850-0726>  Phone

317-582-1773 <tel:(317)%20582-1773>  Fax

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
<mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com> > wrote:

Joshua, as I am sure you can anticipate, I am not at all in favour of a
committee to come up with messaging strategy. If there is one thing that the
LNC must be able to do on its own and take command of, its that. With the (I
believe completely inappropriate) messaging agenda without explicit LNC
approval involved in the new website, I will look with a jaundiced eye at
shunting that to a committee.   And evenmoreso if that committee is cloaked
in secrecy.  Members have a vested interest in seeing that we are proper
stewards of the Statement of Principles.  THAT is our message, and thus, any
"strategy" about it must be in full sunshine.  

-- 

In Liberty,

Caryn Ann Harlos

Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <mailto:Harlos at LP.org> 

Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/> 

Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/> 

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com
<mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com> > wrote:

Well, I can live with it, and I apologize for being unclear, but my intent
was not to have a freewheelin' discussion about messaging strategy, or to
discuss a messaging strategy at all, to be honest.  Instead, my intent was
to introduce a motion to appoint a committee to come up with one.  I would
ask, if possible, if it can be moved from the lunch to new business without
previous notice.  5 minutes can suffice.

Joshua A. Katz

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Nicholas Sarwark <chair at lp.org
<mailto:chair at lp.org> > wrote:

Dear All,

I've attached a draft proposed agenda for the meeting on December 10
and 11.  I've made efforts to accommodate all requests for time I've
received and still have the meeting fit within the time available.
Please let me know if there are requests I've missed or changes you
would suggest.

Yours truly,
Nick 

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